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quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
May 24 2011 01:13 GMT
#1441
These Chinese guys are easily MC-level protoss players.
Jacko11
Profile Joined November 2010
China146 Posts
May 24 2011 01:13 GMT
#1442
I really don't understand why Idra got every upgrade imaginable except for burrow and burrow move for roaches. He could have sidestepped most of the ffs without losing too much and if he had kept more roaches alive for the last battle, the roaches would have prevented blink a lot better than the few lings.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
May 24 2011 01:14 GMT
#1443
Haha, I didnt notice its fucking 4 protoss in the semis. I feel sorry for the tournament organizers as that will make the live semi/finals so much more boring then it could have been=[
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
May 24 2011 01:14 GMT
#1444
On May 24 2011 10:11 iamahydralisk wrote:
Okay seriously... Blizz needs to do something about forcefields. I'm not normally the type to whine about balance, but Idra was up like 70 supply at one point in that game (and I believe he was up at least 40 when the first big clash happened). Forcefield shouldn't be able to make up that big of a deficit.


They only were a big deal because IdrA hasn't dealt with a style like that. FFs at that stage of the game are counterable with good play; this is especially so because late game there are many more options. For example, IdrA's first big push could have included burrow movement or infestors.
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kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
May 24 2011 01:14 GMT
#1445
On May 24 2011 10:11 Engore wrote:
Drops wouldn't work. Blink stalkers. If he is as good as everyone says, then overlords wouldn't stand a chance.


Sentries can't blink . XiaoT had those sentries alive all game. You need to carpet bomb the sentries in order to cut down the amount of FF.
oo inflame oo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States286 Posts
May 24 2011 01:14 GMT
#1446
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.

User was banned for this post.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 24 2011 01:15 GMT
#1447
On May 24 2011 10:12 Kurr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:09 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:08 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:08 coddan wrote:
so frustrating. xiaot just says "you are not allowed to attack" and there is nothing idra can do about it


?? How. He had hive tech and Ultras can stomp force fields... instead he moved way in with broods against blink stalkers.


Do you understand how awful ultras are vs toss?


Ultras are awful against everything unfortunately. They need a boost to be any useful; they die so quickly. I can't remember the last time I saw a zerg go ultras and do well. They don't have dark swam to protect them, they need more HP or something else to let them get in and do damage, otherwise it's a waste to go ultras in any matchup.

It's sad. I'm a protoss player but Ultras are one of my favorite units and it's sad to see them so useless.


I am not suggesting they be massed and used as the primary DPS. I am simply suggesting that a few be made, and it will therefore nullify all of XiaOt's sentries... which he invested A LOT into.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
May 24 2011 01:15 GMT
#1448
some1 pm me if idra won or not ty
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Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 01:16 GMT
#1449
On May 24 2011 10:14 DeltruS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:11 iamahydralisk wrote:
Okay seriously... Blizz needs to do something about forcefields. I'm not normally the type to whine about balance, but Idra was up like 70 supply at one point in that game (and I believe he was up at least 40 when the first big clash happened). Forcefield shouldn't be able to make up that big of a deficit.


They only were a big deal because IdrA hasn't dealt with a style like that. FFs at that stage of the game are counterable with good play; this is especially so because late game there are many more options. For example, IdrA's first big push could have included burrow movement or infestors.


The game was pretty similar to MC vs Idra at Dreamhack. He's played (and lost to) that style before.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
May 24 2011 01:16 GMT
#1450
On May 24 2011 10:15 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:12 Kurr wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:09 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:08 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:08 coddan wrote:
so frustrating. xiaot just says "you are not allowed to attack" and there is nothing idra can do about it


?? How. He had hive tech and Ultras can stomp force fields... instead he moved way in with broods against blink stalkers.


Do you understand how awful ultras are vs toss?


Ultras are awful against everything unfortunately. They need a boost to be any useful; they die so quickly. I can't remember the last time I saw a zerg go ultras and do well. They don't have dark swam to protect them, they need more HP or something else to let them get in and do damage, otherwise it's a waste to go ultras in any matchup.

It's sad. I'm a protoss player but Ultras are one of my favorite units and it's sad to see them so useless.


I am not suggesting they be massed and used as the primary DPS. I am simply suggesting that a few be made, and it will therefore nullify all of XiaOt's sentries... which he invested A LOT into.


He would've had like 4 or 5 less broodlords though to accomodate a few ultras, and they would've been kited with blink. They can break 1 wave of forcefield but they get picked off fast and then a second wave goes up usually.
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cold-
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada209 Posts
May 24 2011 01:16 GMT
#1451
sen idra 2-1
zenio idra 2-0
xiaot idra 2-0

wat the hell is going on
ken-
Profile Joined May 2011
63 Posts
May 24 2011 01:16 GMT
#1452
Idra has to work on his micro. His macro was far superior but it doesn't matter when you lose every micro battle. Rewatch the match ups Xiaot's micro was incredible. Even the casters pointed out how Idra failed to use his full energy infestors...

Also broodlords were a terrible choice vs. blink stalkers.

Outplayed.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
May 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#1453
The Chinese players are so beast! xiaOt's control in particular is really impressive.

Definitely a fan after this!

I would love to see how they would do against MC though.
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
May 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#1454
Idra used neither drops nor roach burrowed movements. Not saying it's easy but he didn't even try to deal with the force fields instead walked just into them.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
May 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#1455
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.

It was mostly in roaches, he wasn't that much ahead in army value.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#1456
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


And yet people complain that it is too difficult to come back in SC2 when compared to SC1.

Either way, XiaOt had a tech advantage and his sentries were alive all game.

You know what... lets try this again...

On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


So a protoss at 150 with HTs/Collosi and Sentries in his army should lose to 200 supply worth of lings?
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
May 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#1457
It seems like when Idra is ahead he sometimes controls his army more poorly.
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Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 01:17:56
May 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#1458
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


Zerg making roach/ling will always be ahead on supply because they're so supply inefficient, it doesn't mean they're actually ahead.
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quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
May 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#1459
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.

Idra threw it away by not carpet bombing his banelings nor getting burrow walk. He could have crushed Xiaot with better control/engagements.
tymt
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden293 Posts
May 24 2011 01:18 GMT
#1460
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.

Since almost every protoss player tends to get sentries in their mix it can be a good idea to invest a few resources in burrow and burrow movement when you focus on roaches for yourself. A-moved roaches simply doesn't cut it. If a protoss with a 50 supply lead using only stalkers would attack a zerg with hydra/infestor he would get smashed aswell, it's not all about supply counts -.-
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