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Silkath
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom102 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4541
On April 17 2011 06:29 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 06:27 Dawski wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:26 rapture wrote:
i think hasu wins now. zerg was way too passiv the last 10 minutes


wtf are you talking about, zerg was as aggressive as anyone could POSSIBLY get. im sick of comments like this, same comments as idra vs MC game. he did 3 pushes in a row in the same FF choke just for the sake of pushing on aggression. That just pisses me off


I am sick of zergs thinking that was aggressive play. Where were the drops and Nydus Worms? Protoss was spread out, you can harass somewhere in that situation


If Morrow had drop tech when he was pushing along the bottom lane into Hasu's nat he could so easily have dropped the main and snipped half of Hasu's production facilities. He really needed drop tech.

Without drop tech Morrow had no choice but to attack into the nat (or the back of the 3rd which is just as much of a choke). FFs allow toss to turtle pretty hard and on metalopolis the bases are just too close together to exploit any immobility on the part of the tosses army. Being 60 supply up really doesn't help if the only places you can attack (wihtout drop tech or nydus I admit) is into a choke, FF'd created or otherwise.
We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4542
On April 17 2011 06:33 LastMan wrote:
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On April 17 2011 06:30 coldonthecob wrote:
Why does zerg have to constantly harass and attack when toss can just turtle all game either way and still have advantage? Broken match up.

no offense but terran has to harass in every matchup to stand a chance later in game

There are also times when protoss has to harass as well you never want to leave your opponent to do whatever they want whatever race they play.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4543
Oh look, preparing for a baneling bust.

Morrow shows again he has 0 confidence with zerg late game units.
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4544
bling bust Hell Yeah!
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4545

On April 17 2011 06:28 Nakas wrote:
Neither of these casters knows a damn thing about zerg.


:D
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46407 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4546
Fast speedling/baneling drop?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4547
Why isn't he making anymore queens? oh wait banelings lol
pilsken
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany441 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4548
On April 17 2011 06:34 loveeholicce wrote:
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On April 17 2011 06:33 pilsken wrote:
Gas/Pool on Terminus?

Why...?


Because if you try to hatch first and end up getting scouted first or 2nd try then the probe blocks ur hatch and it throws u off too much.


And then... you go to the other natural you have? How's a toss going to block two spots at once? By sending out 2 Probes?
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4549
This is what Dimaga used against MC right? Fast nexus, he goes ling/bling drops.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
April 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4550
baneling bust/drop inc
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4551
Baneling drop eh, too bad it got spotted by a phoenix
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4552
On April 17 2011 06:35 MoonBear wrote:
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On April 17 2011 06:33 MoonBear wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:31 MoonBear wrote:
Match 2: GSL`Terminus RE
[image loading] (P)mouz.HasuObs 1 vs 0 [image loading] (Z)mouz.MorroW

(P)mouz.HasuObs spawns as Red Protoss @9
(Z)mouz.MorroW spawns as Blue Zerg @3

2:00
Hasu with forge FE, Morrow with gas-pool. Hasu blocks the nat with a patrolling probe. Morrow doesn't even try to take his nat.

4:30
6 lings drive away the probe. Morrow takes his nat but Hasu already has his second nexus completed. Ling speed finishes. Hasu takes his third gas gyser, and drops a cybercore.

6:45
Morrow's drone scout only goes around in circles in the Protoss main. Hasu builds a stargate at his natural instead. Morrow hasn't seen anything. Lair done for Morrow. Voidray being chrono-ed.

Drone eventually sees the stargate just as the void pops. Phoenix being made now. Morrow researching drops, so he can't build queens.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4553
On April 17 2011 06:35 Sneakyz wrote:
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On April 17 2011 06:33 greycubed wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:31 partisan wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:28 Nakas wrote:
Neither of these casters knows a damn thing about zerg.



Really? Day9 knows nothing about zerg, you heard it here first everyone. :-/
Really Day9 criticize zergs is painful to watch. He seems to forget the vespene gas costs of units late game. And even at launch, prior to the like 4 straight pro-zerg balance patches he was saying "it's all balanced fine- zergs just aren't playing right." Day9 understands the fundamentals of an RTS very well, but he is not infallible.

Or maybe he knows because he played a game that evolved over 12 years

I think his criticism of the gas first against protss is way over top.
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RandomAccount#106470
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4554
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Valckrie
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom533 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4555
Ahhhh morrrow doing 2 base ling bling drop! I've been doing this strat for ages vs Protoss FE's, hope he executes it perfectly!
Fear is a 4 letter word. Why be afraid?
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 21:37:49
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4556
Morrow looking pretty fucked right about now

and then he picks everything up and kills the main
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zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4557
As a zerg player, it pains me to see a bunch of whiny zergs trying to make this thread the place to sound off about balance.

Not the place, people.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4558
On April 17 2011 06:36 HwangjaeTerran wrote:

Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 06:28 Nakas wrote:
Neither of these casters knows a damn thing about zerg.


:D
Never ceases to amaze me !


Haha, Nakas knows nothing about these casters :p
I have no quote!
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4559
Hahaha there is one overlord with no units and hasu targets that one :D
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4560
Why do people only cite supply? Jesus christ, that's the dumbest thing to look at in something that's not a mirror match. Let's say a Zerg is 200/200 against a 120/200 Protoss. Furthermore, the Zerg has 20 more workers than the toss. Thus, the Zerg has an army that is 60 supply bigger than the Protoss, but what people don't realize is that many zerg units are much cheaper than Protoss units yet cost the same supply - in other words, supply-inefficient. That's why you need to be far more aggressive as Zerg than MorroW was that game, so you don't fall to supply inefficiency. Like others said, you also need to exploit mobility. Why MorroW only attacked into chokes to get FF'd off I don't know. The sad thing is that all these QQers will cover their ears and just go "NO, MORROW COULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING ELSE, WAHH!" without actually looking at Zerg play such as Coca's play that knocked out Ace which took advantage of big drops, or Losira's play which takes advantage of every little hole in the Toss's defense to do pokes.
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