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On April 17 2011 06:29 Butcherski wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:28 Sylvr wrote:
Morrow didn't micro during battles... I think he just 1-Aed in. true, morrow should'be blinked his roaches, cast some ffs and pull back those 9 range hydras and he would win
When he was trying to snipe the collo in the first engagement, morrow did not burrow through the FFs. He only burrowed a few of them away after he already lost a ton of stuff.
This was also a point a drop into the main or 3rd would have been an excellent choice.
So yeah, morrow did not micro near as well as he could have
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Morrow working on drop tech right now, Hasu going with a stargate opening.
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On April 17 2011 06:32 HuHEN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:30 imPERSONater wrote:On April 17 2011 06:27 Dawski wrote:On April 17 2011 06:26 rapture wrote:
i think hasu wins now. zerg was way too passiv the last 10 minutes wtf are you talking about, zerg was as aggressive as anyone could POSSIBLY get. im sick of comments like this, same comments as idra vs MC game. he did 3 pushes in a row in the same FF choke just for the sake of pushing on aggression. That just pisses me off Dude, I'm a zerg but Morrow was ridiculously passive. No drops, nydus, ANYTHING to try and force an engagement away from the choke. He had overlords all over Hasu's base and did nothing. He should have gotten roaches in the main, attacked the front, w/e. Make him split the death ball up. We should also note how much damage the DTs did, that was huge.
We should also note that doing the drops onto the Main base and 3rd base would've equalized the damage suffered by the DTs. But doing nothing but engage the main army at the choke, Morrow suffered massive damage where he shouldn't have.
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On April 17 2011 06:33 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:32 buscemi wrote:
Can TL develop some sort of fancy Web 2.0 technology that hides all zerg posters in LR threads for 10 minutes after a Zerg loss? rofl
its true...every lr thread is going into ZvP analysis, how imba protoss is and what zergs are doing wrong. just enjoy the games...i only saw the end and not dodging storms and stacking broods on roaches is not that good
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hes prolly going to pick hasu apart like idra tossed around cruncher at this map
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On April 17 2011 06:33 henreiman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:31 koolaid1990 wrote:On April 17 2011 06:28 henreiman wrote:On April 17 2011 06:27 Rhokdar wrote:
Painful to watch how much better a 200/200 protoss army is compared to Zerg Irrelevant. MorroW played horrifically. He was up 200/200 to ~130 food, 4 base to 2 base, and got crushed. Gained a huge advantage then bad attacks, bad timings, deserved to lose. So what was he sopposed to do? NOT attack? have 200/200 supply full of roaches hydras and corrupters? Then toss rolls over with death ball? Morrow instead constantly attacked kept remaxing, and toss still rolls over with death ball. Watch again. He engaged in horrific locations when Protoss had an amazing concave. After FFs blocked his attack, he continued to fight with 1/6 of his units instead of retreating, which allowed ranged P units to obliterate. He attacked head on into an army that is designed to fight head on instead of dropping, teching to mutas, getting ahead in upgrades, etc. It was essentially the same situation as Sheth vs Artosis NASL except Protoss had less bases and Sheth executed it well, whereas MorroW did not.
It was like Sheth vs Artosis, except the difference between the skill level Morrow and Hasu isn't even a fraction of the difference between Sheth and Artosis
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On April 17 2011 06:31 ejac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:28 OnlineHero wrote:
Incredably bad play by Morrow.. He had a 60 supply lead, wtf. Stalkers 125-50, 2 supply Roaches 75-25, 2 supply Obviously zerg is going to be ahead in supply when their main units are almost 1/2 the cost yet the same supply.
This x10000000000
Zergs don't seem to realize that yes, their supply is ahead but a good amount of that is usually drones AND Their units are cheaper and quicker to mass! a 200/200 death ball will win against a 200/200 roach hydra army everytime and it SHOULD seeing as the 200/200 death ball costs a hell of alot more to get... Seriously why the fuck is this so hard to understand?
Abuse the immobility of the death ball if protoss has 4 bases there is no way in hell he can split his army to protect them all.
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On April 17 2011 06:31 littlejunior wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:31 partisan wrote:On April 17 2011 06:28 Nakas wrote:
Neither of these casters knows a damn thing about zerg. Really? Day9 knows nothing about zerg, you heard it here first everyone. :-/ My eyes! OHhhh. It hhhurt! 
Oh my... Could somebody link to a Day[9] video - ANY DAY[9] VIDEO - to shut Nakas up?
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Day9 said Morrow should double the Broodlord count, but I do not understand why. I don't I think I have seen one game where Broodlords doesn't get roflstomped by blink Stalkers. I don't understand why build Broodlords at all. It only works if the Protoss forgets to research Blink, and that would perhaps happen in gold league.
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On April 17 2011 06:30 RolleMcKnolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:29 Onos wrote:On April 17 2011 06:26 Moonwrath wrote:
Attacking head on against Protoss deathball just doesn't work, like ever. Why do these zergs keep trying to slam their roach/hydra army against it? You have to abuse the fact that Toss needs to keep their army in a clump. Throw some nydus worms up, drop the main, SOMETHING. He had 60 freaking extra supply. That's close to 33% more. Or if you consider about 70 drones - 50 probes, it's 130 army to 90 army. That's 44% more army. And you still massively lose. Everyone says - oh just don't let the P get to 200. Um, that shows that doesn't work. So now we go to - oh he teched to slowly. Morrow just played bad. He did nothing all game long, and that is just wrong against P oO
Morrow played really bad. No infesters to lock in the stalkers. You would be surprised to see how much more even that battle would have been. 4 second fungle with 7 broodlords. That is 17ish broodlings as cannon fodder and extra damage...
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Really bad scouting by MorroW.
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I wonder if Morrow will break out the Spanishiwa build at all
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On April 17 2011 06:35 Nakas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:31 partisan wrote:On April 17 2011 06:28 Nakas wrote:
Neither of these casters knows a damn thing about zerg. Really? Day9 knows nothing about zerg, you heard it here first everyone. :-/ Based on the dumb stuff he's saying, he clearly doesn't understand zerg. He needs to watch some streams from Sheth and Idra, then he would understood why Morrow did the roach attack.
haahahahahahah funny shit
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On April 17 2011 06:33 greycubed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:31 partisan wrote:On April 17 2011 06:28 Nakas wrote:
Neither of these casters knows a damn thing about zerg. Really? Day9 knows nothing about zerg, you heard it here first everyone. :-/ Really Day9 criticize zergs is painful to watch. He seems to forget the vespene gas costs of units late game. And even at launch, prior to the like 4 straight pro-zerg balance patches he was saying "it's all balanced fine- zergs just aren't playing right." Day9 understands the fundamentals of an RTS very well, but he is not infallible.
you're aware day[9] was a pro zerg in BW right?
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I don't understand why people keep complaining, Morrow lost 20 Drones to two DT's and a Zealot... he was 66 Drones to 80 Probes at the end of the game, how was he ever going to keep up? You see Protoss players lose half as much to Banshees and be put unbelievably far behind---Zerg are in the EXACT same boat
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On April 17 2011 06:33 greycubed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:31 partisan wrote:On April 17 2011 06:28 Nakas wrote:
Neither of these casters knows a damn thing about zerg. Really? Day9 knows nothing about zerg, you heard it here first everyone. :-/ Really Day9 criticize zergs is painful to watch. He seems to forget the vespene gas costs of units late game. And even at launch, prior to the like 4 straight pro-zerg balance patches he was saying "it's all balanced fine- zergs just aren't playing right." Day9 understands the fundamentals of an RTS very well, but he is not infallible.
lol?
Do you know who Day9 is man?
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On April 17 2011 06:29 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Morrow's play is infuriating because he's had chances to harass Hasu's bases and utilize drops into the main while Hasu's army is out of position.
But he constantly chooses to engage the main army at the choke between bases which is not wise at all.
More Zergs really need to adapt a harass mentality rather than a head on engagement against a deathball.
What your not understanding is the fragility of zerg, if you tech too much, any mass gateway build will run over you. Zerg is always dancing on a hair with their decisions, risk vs reward. Your comments are vapid and baseless, just mindlessly repeating what you hear from day9. How many times have I risked teching to nydus or overlord drops just a bit too fast ( to harass the toss exactly like your saying) only to be run over by yet another mass gateway push because I didn;t have enough units. Stop criticizing zerg players, they know what they are doing. You do not.
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morrow going mass zergling/bane drops... =/
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