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Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 21:38:09
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4561
If zerg doesn't attack, that's zerg fault for not being aggressive enough.
If zerg attacks, that's zerg fault for entering bad engagement (yeah FF.)

Morrow was 192 food and 4 bases, vs 112 food and 2 bases, and that wasn't even close.

Zerg really has to find another play style, because it's simply not possible to win this way (by just having the better macro).

I would have loved to see a doom drop in the main base, or something like that.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4562
Nexus snipped
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4563
love zerg drop play. wish he just used mass lings drop instead. not much to baneling explode since he went air.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4564
Now that's what I'm talking about.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45223 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4565
Hasu's dead lol

Nice job by Morrow!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Barca
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States418 Posts
April 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#4566
On April 17 2011 06:31 Barca wrote:
Morrow didn't even try to deny HasuObs third base, and he didn't handle those DTs well at all. Lost like 30 workers.

Every time I see Morrow play in big games I feel like he always 1 or 2 base all-ins. Now I've seen him macro, and I'm unimpressed.


Ah, well, there's the Morrow I know.
- I hate threads that end with "Thoughts?" -
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4567
See how effective drops are? :p
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4568
Morrom did train with Mondragon : how to counter protoss air ? Either roach/moar expand or go fast drop baneling/ling
GIMME ALL THE BELGIAN WAFFLES I CAN GET FOR THIS MONEY !!!!!! BELGIAN WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEES
henreiman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States407 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4569
On April 17 2011 06:36 loveeholicce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 06:33 henreiman wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:31 koolaid1990 wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:28 henreiman wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:27 Rhokdar wrote:
Painful to watch how much better a 200/200 protoss army is compared to Zerg


Irrelevant. MorroW played horrifically. He was up 200/200 to ~130 food, 4 base to 2 base, and got crushed. Gained a huge advantage then bad attacks, bad timings, deserved to lose.

So what was he sopposed to do? NOT attack? have 200/200 supply full of roaches hydras and corrupters? Then toss rolls over with death ball? Morrow instead constantly attacked kept remaxing, and toss still rolls over with death ball.


Watch again. He engaged in horrific locations when Protoss had an amazing concave. After FFs blocked his attack, he continued to fight with 1/6 of his units instead of retreating, which allowed ranged P units to obliterate. He attacked head on into an army that is designed to fight head on instead of dropping, teching to mutas, getting ahead in upgrades, etc. It was essentially the same situation as Sheth vs Artosis NASL except Protoss had less bases and Sheth executed it well, whereas MorroW did not.


It was like Sheth vs Artosis, except the difference between the skill level Morrow and Hasu isn't even a fraction of the difference between Sheth and Artosis


Yeah not gonna lie Artosis played pretty horrifically. But the whole "entrenched" Protoss vs masses of Zerg remains the same, and it's probably fair to say that 4 base Artosis can macro just as hard as 2 base Hasu. Anyways, I think simply the fact that MorroW immediately went for massive drops shows he himself believes he didn't harass correctly last game.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4570
Now that, friends, is aggression.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4571
Seems like Morrow learned a thing or 2 from Mondi. They go air? Crush their ground!
<3 SC2 <3<3 Dota 2. Steam ID: HellS
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4572
Drop play against fast stargate is super-effective. :D
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4573
Stop calling this cheese, its just countering the fast expo (which is risky) smart. Djeesh. And stop whining, the TL death squad is going to ban you all.
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Valckrie
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom533 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4574
People really underestimate this build, Voidrays don't kill overlords fast enough to deal with such a drop. If he had a couple of phoenix out, that would be a different story.
Fear is a 4 letter word. Why be afraid?
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4575
On April 17 2011 06:37 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 06:35 MoonBear wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:33 MoonBear wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:31 MoonBear wrote:
Match 2: GSL`Terminus RE
[image loading] (P)mouz.HasuObs 1 vs 0 [image loading] (Z)mouz.MorroW

(P)mouz.HasuObs spawns as Red Protoss @9
(Z)mouz.MorroW spawns as Blue Zerg @3

2:00
Hasu with forge FE, Morrow with gas-pool. Hasu blocks the nat with a patrolling probe. Morrow doesn't even try to take his nat.

4:30
6 lings drive away the probe. Morrow takes his nat but Hasu already has his second nexus completed. Ling speed finishes. Hasu takes his third gas gyser, and drops a cybercore.

6:45
Morrow's drone scout only goes around in circles in the Protoss main. Hasu builds a stargate at his natural instead. Morrow hasn't seen anything. Lair done for Morrow. Voidray being chrono-ed.

Drone eventually sees the stargate just as the void pops. Phoenix being made now. Morrow researching drops, so he can't build queens.

9:15
Void sees banes morphing. Morrow loads them up and drops them into the protoss main. Hasu targets the empty OL. Hasu loses his main Nexus, but FF blocks the ramp and saves his nat. Hasu has lost everything in his main. Morrow sees the Robo in Hasu's base.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4576
i don't even think morrow is far ahead now.
Thobrik
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1120 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4577
so sloppy play from morrow. throwing away loaded overlords and blings, not keeping up with macro. Nice aggression though.
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 21:41:13
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4578
On April 17 2011 06:29 entropius wrote:
How do you want the zerg to force a (good) engagement somewhere else?

It's not like he had much choice. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't in zvp.

You don't engage head-on, that's how. Load up some overlords and hit a couple of bases with drops at the same time. Utilize nydus. The Protoss player in that game kept virtually all of his units together all of the time. If he splits his army in two to deal with the multiple drops, take the bulk of your forces and hit one or the other, or even hit another base if you want. If he doesn't, just keep killing his bases and he'll fall too far behind to keep up with your supply. 200/200 Zerg is not going to beat 200/200 Protoss straight up, and watching Morrow try was just painful. Once his supply advantage evaporated after his terrible engagement at the natural, the game was over when it became apparent he wasn't going to do anything except run his armies into a superior force over and over.
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4579
On April 17 2011 06:38 Logros wrote:
See how effective drops are? :p


see how boring it is to watch though?

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Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
April 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#4580
this is what zerg is supposed to do, beatiful play by morrow
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
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