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pompey606
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom98 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11381
In my opinion this was the best run event to date. Great production values, great casting, great, exciting and genuinly funny announcer. A*
Is this the website for Counter Strike?
wshm
Profile Joined September 2010
32 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11382
On April 13 2011 04:58 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:57 wshm wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:51 lazyfeet wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:49 TheDougler wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:44 halvorg wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


Did you enjoy it when this happened?


Really, people have a right to be upset if we are robbed of a great finish yeah? But MC won grats to him.


Well said Halvorg. No offence Naz, I just think that both sides of this argument are represented well by this. MC did what he chose to to win and it worked and thats great, but I understand how one could be disappointed by that

The video show something that is illegal tactics. What did mc do that was illegal against the rule of the game?

Holy fuck did you just show me an example of cheating to compare the situations?

My IQ just dropped to 50 trying to understand your point. These situations are NOTHING alike. Trying to win and trying to win by cheating are two different worlds buddy.

Actually, it's not illegal.
You get a red card and a penalty and that's it. In football if there is an attacker running alone and the last defender can't catch up, it's usually advisable to foul him. You get a red card, but they will just get a penalty kick. What he meant is that it's anti-climax I think, it would be "cheating" only if the ref hadn't seen it and even that would have been considered something you just have to use (as it can go both ways).


If it's not illegal then there would be no punishment for doing such acts. You basically proved that it was illegal. Just because the scope is limited to within the game and not always outside of the game(Red cards can affect participation in other games) you cannot say it's legal.

Just no. It's part of the game, if a player can prevent his team from getting eliminated from the world cup do you think he'd care about getting a red card? Also, partecipation for other games is only for bad behaviour (punching, spitting, hurting someone). That was just a technical "illegal" move which is completely contemplated in the game, it does not differ from cheese in any way. If your cheese gets spotted, you lose the game. If their penalty kick scores, you are in the same situation as before but with a player less. The example is more than valid in my opinion.
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11383
Sc2 community whines waaay too much about cheese. In BW u see just as much cheese in tournaments and proleague and theres basically no whine. Its accepted as part of the game which it is. But in sc2 u have 100 pages of whine when the best player in the world cheeses 1 game. Theres actually ppl out there who think MC was scared to play whitera straight up? Even typing that out makes me lol
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11384
On April 13 2011 04:58 Teacher74 wrote:
How did MC know that whitera was in that position without scouting the bottom position?



Because the maps are modified so that they can only spawn in opposite+cross positions.
MC actually did the mistake of scouting the wrong place in the first match. I guess someone told him about it in the meantime.
"2 cannons, it's not one cannons" - White-Ra
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 20:03:10
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11385
Really pathethic of the people complaining about the final games, I wish I could hate you dead. That was so exciting, do you even realize how much prestige, money and fame relied on MC's two gateways? Buildings that you complainers make in silver leagues everywhere, do you think this is the reason why its boring? That last game was clutch as hell and I was on the edge of my seat for every second of it. Three zealots versus nothing is as exciting as 20 colossi versus each other.
falafelnr1
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden444 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11386
They just said on the swedish stream that VODs will be found at http://www.aftonbladet.se/spela. So go check it out later
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11387
There is a huge differences between being disappointed that the player you wanted to win didn't and insulting the winner because he beat your player
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11388
You'd think MC had the history of BitByBit or Rain by looking at these comments.
droxe
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany95 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11389
On April 13 2011 05:00 Hot_Bid wrote:
The only reason epic long macro games are epic is because we know players are trying to win 100%. If we're ever at a point where players are just playing to entertain fans and not to win, then SC2 as an ESPORT will definitely fail. Everyone needs to stop killing MC and recognize that he did something that was very smart given the way the map was and how he saw WR play in the earlier games. Not to mention this is something that is definitely not a sure win.

QFT
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11390
I think we just need to accept that there is a lot of passion in these kind or LR-threads. Its only a good thing that people care SO much. People are angry that their favorite lost, and when people are angry they react is ways they might not have done otherwise.

Remember that this is a LR-thread and that there is a lot of emotions going on here, its only a good thing i the long run.

People hate on soccer/football/hockeyteams that they think plays a "boring" style to, so it is just a normal thing for an interesting sport,
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
April 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#11391
such a nice event
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11392
On April 13 2011 05:02 pompey606 wrote:
In my opinion this was the best run event to date. Great production values, great casting, great, exciting and genuinly funny announcer. A*


+1

+2

And u know what?

Even +3
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Jnai
Profile Joined September 2010
United States442 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11393
And again, of course, David Sirlin has all the answers:
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw

I once played a scrub who was actually quite good. That is, he knew the rules of the game well, he knew the character matchups well, and he knew what to do in most situations. But his web of mental rules kept him from truly playing to win. He cried cheap as I beat him with “no skill moves” while he performed many difficult dragon punches. He cried cheap when I threw him five times in a row asking, “Is that all you know how to do? Throw?” I gave him the best advice he could ever hear. I told him, “Play to win, not to do ‘difficult moves.’” This was a big moment in that scrub’s life. He could either ignore his losses and continue living in his mental prison or analyze why he lost, shed his rules, and reach the next level of play.
iuvenalis
Profile Joined November 2007
Poland88 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11394
The dust settles down now so may I ask again...

Does anyone know the song/music during the DH hype advertisement (showing players/games/venue etc), which included a bit of epic chorus?

AND NO, NOT EUROPE FFS.
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11395
On April 13 2011 04:53 SoBeDragon wrote:
/sarcasm on

Thank you MC for showing us some of the most thought provoking, dynamic, interesting and ground breaking games I've seen in PvP. Your builds are both unique and unpredictable. I was thoroughly entertained with the 4 gating and proxy gate cheeses.

/sarcasm off

Loved the tournament and the production value. I was laughing in my chair as I was watching. I really wish the best players in the world can turn PvP into more then 4 gate vs 4 gate.

Thanks to Dreamhack for providing some of the best content I've seen in a while. I hope MLG was watching


I think at some point they might, if at any time that expo build of WhiteRa becomes stable to hold. I don't think any of them want their wins hanging on by who gets the first hit in a 10 unit v 10 unit fight or making 1 too many probes.

In the end MC showed he does have good brains, he played his cards perfectly in the last game, screw the entertaining game, the metagame more than made up for it. I for one can't even think WhiteRa is mad at MC now, he's probably just annoyed at himself. Just some fans that have a harder time understanding what a match is.

And if this is WhiteRa's worst matchup I hate to say it but at the moment protoss are dominating. WhiteRa (and quite likely Naniwa - he needs to get a few more good players crushed tbh) in the west and MC in Korea ... All this while protoss wasn't exactly the most buffed race till now.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11396
PvP is so disappointing...

Still the tournament was pretty much flawlessly run.
I'll call Nada.
Santiago4ever
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden299 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11397
I award the production of this event Code S status.
Ernest Hemingway once wrote: The world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part.
Gaga
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany433 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11398
On April 13 2011 04:56 Grettin wrote:
It amazes me how such a nice community like Teamliquid ALWAYS starts a god damn riot and fighting after every tournament final or some specific game. Why can't you just enjoy the games ATLEAST A LITTLE and leave the constant fighting and bitching to the other community.

Cmon guys.


True Fans fight over stuff in the game they love
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11399
I don't see how people can say they hate ANY mirror matchups.. I think they're all great.. it's like you're fighting off some of your specie's rebels or something.

It's also good because balance is NEVER a factor, for obvious reasons.

I love PvP in BW AND SC2.. it's awesome, especially with people of these guys' calibre duking it out.

Anyway, I only got to see the semis onward, but, seemed like a great show Dreamhack, nice job.

~ The Ultimate Weapon
Forak
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands64 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11400
People still defending MC like he's sacred but no one is actually attacking or insulting him, how bizarre..
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