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hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 12 2011 20:03 GMT
#11401
On April 13 2011 05:00 Hot_Bid wrote:
The only reason epic long macro games are epic is because we know players are trying to win 100%. If we're ever at a point where players are just playing to entertain fans and not to win, then SC2 as an ESPORT will definitely fail. Everyone needs to stop killing MC and recognize that he did something that was very smart given the way the map was and how he saw WR play in the earlier games. Not to mention this is something that is definitely not a sure win.

Who's denying it was smart?
Do you think it's strange to get upset when the well mannered guy who wouldn't think of all-inning, is up 2-0 against a player with an aura of invincibility and then loses to 3 all-ins in a row?
FrozenFrog
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore133 Posts
April 12 2011 20:04 GMT
#11402
On April 13 2011 04:46 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:44 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


Yep, and thats why MC avoids the strategic part of the game and just cheeses his way to the win. Srsly, I just couldnt respect MC before and I disrespect him even more now. He didnt deserve this win today.


If White Ra was the one who cheesed, you'd be raving about how brilliant of a move it was, and it was his special tactics or whatever. The one sided favoritism in these threads is just so hilarious.

QFT
d(-.-)b
Trawler
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden382 Posts
April 12 2011 20:04 GMT
#11403
On April 13 2011 05:02 pompey606 wrote:
In my opinion this was the best run event to date. Great production values, great casting, great, exciting and genuinly funny announcer. A*


THIS !
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
April 12 2011 20:04 GMT
#11404
Coming home late on my birthday, gotta make myself the best present and watch the whole thing now until NASL at 3am.

Very exited
"Eyo lesson' here, Bey. You're comin' at the king, you best not miss."
whowahuh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 20:04:20
April 12 2011 20:04 GMT
#11405
On April 13 2011 05:03 iuvenalis wrote:
The dust settles down now so may I ask again...

Does anyone know the song/music during the DH hype advertisement (showing players/games/venue etc), which included a bit of epic chorus?

AND NO, NOT EUROPE FFS.


I just know the song is what Gob plays when he does magic tricks in Arrested Development.
Impeccable
Profile Joined November 2010
51 Posts
April 12 2011 20:04 GMT
#11406
On April 13 2011 05:00 Hot_Bid wrote:If we're ever at a point where players are just playing to entertain fans and not to win, then SC2 as an ESPORT will definitely fail.

A failure like WWE?
mpupu
Profile Joined June 2010
Argentina183 Posts
April 12 2011 20:04 GMT
#11407
On April 13 2011 05:01 zevered wrote:
Soccer is plagued by terrible officiating, poor sportsmen and cheaters. Can we not compare Starcraft to it please?


And can you avoid making generalizations about the most popular sport in the planet? Any sport with that number of players will have a number of poor sportsmen and cheaters. On top of that, it's really hard to officiate, but people still watch and are entertained by the games.
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
April 12 2011 20:04 GMT
#11408
On April 13 2011 05:03 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 05:02 pompey606 wrote:
In my opinion this was the best run event to date. Great production values, great casting, great, exciting and genuinly funny announcer. A*


+1

+2

And u know what?

Even +3


that
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
deadjon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11409
All the credit in the world to MC, he's a complete baller. Also, WhiteRa gained a ton of fans today, no doubt.

Sadly, the final game was a let down in my eyes. Very exciting series, and while the final proxy 2-gate was a smart strategic play, it was not an highly entertaining finale to the DreamHack invitational I would have hoped for.

Again, all the credit to MC for the smart play, 2-0 come-back, and props to WhiteRa for being the charming / well mannered player that we all love.
Huh... wha?
OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11410
On April 12 2011 23:07 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 23:05 Sneakyz wrote:
On April 12 2011 23:05 Sqq wrote:
is 2gd the same guy that used to hoste that WoW show on esl ? Used to watch it every week til they removed his counter weight for reasons they wouldn't say.

Yep, and the "counter weight" would be matt "zalmah" or something like that.

Hope nobody read that

Oh god this is so funny...
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11411
On April 13 2011 05:00 Hot_Bid wrote:
The only reason epic long macro games are epic is because we know players are trying to win 100%. If we're ever at a point where players are just playing to entertain fans and not to win, then SC2 as an ESPORT will definitely fail. Everyone needs to stop killing MC and recognize that he did something that was very smart given the way the map was and how he saw WR play in the earlier games. Not to mention this is something that is definitely not a sure win.



I was trying to post the same thing but couldn't word it properly. agree 100percent with what you and nazgul have been saying. great games are great because we know the players are doing whatever they can to win and if it reaches the late game stages it makes the game that much better.
Arpe
Profile Joined May 2010
202 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11412
Its funny seeing ppl defend MC so much. I wonder where you were when ppl were bashing MorroW for cheesing. Still GG MC, indeed play to win.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11413
Handball gets you a red card and is in the rule books as AGAINST THE RULES
Can't recall a player being punished or disqualified for proxy 2 gating

You guys use the worst analogies ever lol
SooYoung-Noona!
AzurewinD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States569 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11414
On April 13 2011 05:03 Forak wrote:
People still defending MC like he's sacred but no one is actually attacking or insulting him, how bizarre..



Have you read the posts before you? At all??
"...I want more people to be in that state more often, to see things not through the limited and rigid mind or the fearful ego, but through a heart that loves to express and create" - Xiaonan "Glider" Sun
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11415
MC did what he needed to do to win and that is how you become a GOD-toss. He certainly did not cheat. Did I want White-Ra to win? Hell yes! (Would have made a great story) Am I angry that that MC won? Hell no! The guy is a champion in game and out. So Congratulation MC! And thank you for all the great games to all competitors.
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
haylmfao
Profile Joined January 2011
124 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11416
On April 13 2011 04:58 Eurekastreet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:57 wshm wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:51 lazyfeet wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:49 TheDougler wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:44 halvorg wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


Did you enjoy it when this happened?


Really, people have a right to be upset if we are robbed of a great finish yeah? But MC won grats to him.


Well said Halvorg. No offence Naz, I just think that both sides of this argument are represented well by this. MC did what he chose to to win and it worked and thats great, but I understand how one could be disappointed by that

The video show something that is illegal tactics. What did mc do that was illegal against the rule of the game?

Holy fuck did you just show me an example of cheating to compare the situations?

My IQ just dropped to 50 trying to understand your point. These situations are NOTHING alike. Trying to win and trying to win by cheating are two different worlds buddy.

Actually, it's not illegal.
You get a red card and a penalty and that's it. In football if there is an attacker running alone and the last defender can't catch up, it's usually advisable to foul him. You get a red card, but they will just get a penalty kick. What he meant is that it's anti-climax I think, it would be "cheating" only if the ref hadn't seen it and even that would have been considered something you just have to use (as it can go both ways).



What's illegal then ? What brings out the police ?

It's only cheating if the ref doesn't see it (Maradona's hand of god... or Messi's if you want a more recent example). That one was fully within the rules of the game.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11417
On April 13 2011 05:03 Forak wrote:
People still defending MC like he's sacred but no one is actually attacking or insulting him, how bizarre..


Scroll back 50 pages, or in time metrics, 5 minutes, and you'll find alot of people bashing MC.
I think it was just heat of the moment though.. or atleast I hope so.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Teacher74
Profile Joined September 2010
United States47 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11418
On April 13 2011 05:00 MisterTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:58 Teacher74 wrote:
How did MC know that whitera was in that position without scouting the bottom position?

because it's the only position u can spawn in maybe ???

seriously learn the maps they use in tournament play lol


Wow... thats pretty awful then that Whitera thought it was possible to spawn in different locations. Because in that case, that cheese is not viable at all and he would not think to scout for it.

That final game was ALL about Whitera not knowing that version of Shakuras Plateau...
WhatNameSo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States90 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11419
Thank you for an amazing event! Showing how it should be done wp sir! Great series!
respect.
Jnai
Profile Joined September 2010
United States442 Posts
April 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#11420
On April 13 2011 05:03 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 05:00 Hot_Bid wrote:
The only reason epic long macro games are epic is because we know players are trying to win 100%. If we're ever at a point where players are just playing to entertain fans and not to win, then SC2 as an ESPORT will definitely fail. Everyone needs to stop killing MC and recognize that he did something that was very smart given the way the map was and how he saw WR play in the earlier games. Not to mention this is something that is definitely not a sure win.

Who's denying it was smart?
Do you think it's strange to get upset when the well mannered guy who wouldn't think of all-inning, is up 2-0 against a player with an aura of invincibility and then loses to 3 all-ins in a row?


This has nothing to do with "manners"! Had White-Ra all-in'd when up 2-0 to win the tournament, everyone would be cheering WhiteRa for dominating MC.

The only manners concern winning 15,000.

eSports have very well defined rules and algorithms to prevent cheating. There was no cheating here. Just great play.
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