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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:45 Gator wrote: Maybe people need to give some of these europeans more respect, they've played damn well recently and it shouldn't be much of a surprise anymore Europe Vs USA Tournament, anyone? | ||
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Azrael22
United States18 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:50 Rasky wrote: It is very clear that Koreans are losing because of lag. It is very clear that you are biased. | ||
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Logo2010
509 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:47 SaroDarksbane wrote: How does anyone know that Kas didn't have the worse latency? I think before people dismiss convincing wins with the excuse of "lag", they should really have some numbers to back it up or it comes across as meaningless fanboy-ism. Because his reactions times were fast. Like reaper running away from Xel Naga. In the same game Nada let his marine die at the Xel Naga. | ||
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zocktol
Germany1928 Posts
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Yang Wenli
United States2283 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:50 damorphy wrote: Would it be fair to say that the Koreans seriously underestimated the European players ? No good preperation etc etc. That and a combination of having not much experience in facing European play-style in all match ups. | ||
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Swixi
United States73 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:47 FliedLice wrote: Because the best Terran in the world obviously didn't even bother to play on the NA server beforehand in order to prepare for his match. This completely ignores the point though. The point is that he lost because of lag. Whether or not Koreans prepared for the lag is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not lag affected the Koreans' play (and was subsequently the reason they lost). Edit: it's not necessarily my view that they lost only because of lag, that's just what the point of that argument was. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
LOL USA don't have a freaking chance and i live in USA | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19208 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:44 Chill wrote: Nada's banshee micro was great vs TLO @ Ro32. Nada lost a banshee to a turret in the GSL Teamleague. People just want an excuse. The reality is that latency may have been an issue, but Jinro already clarified that in a post. The bigger reality is that Kaz was significantly better today. Since I bet on NaDa winning, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Despite Kas playing like a boss, lag is definitely the only reason NaDa lost. It was totally not due to NaDa's poor decisions and subpar timings at all. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
Stop antagonizing please | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
it's been done EU beat NA 7-3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167833 | ||
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zasda
381 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:52 Swixi wrote: This completely ignores the point though. The point is that he lost because of lag. Whether or not Koreans prepared for the lag is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not lag affected the Koreans' play (and was subsequently the reason they lost). how is getting supplo blocked and queuing delay's fault haha getting desperate there buddy | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Koreans knew how the games would be played when they entered. This is the stage for the TSL, these are the conditions, if you lose you lose. They'll be plenty of Korea vs World LAN tournaments before SC2 is done I'm sure. | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
I wonder if this was something the organizers foresaw when getting this started... Yah sure Kas beat NaDa 3-0 that's great, but was that really dependent on pure skill alone? We saw what happened in WC when it was played in a LAN setting, even though that wasn't very representative of the foreigners. Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s | ||
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Sandro
897 Posts
You first. These OMG EU > KA/NA posts are getting a little out of hand | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
But u see 3 code a koreans own a top euro lan and recently dominate the gsl wc tourney. Then u have the same players from the wc tourney get crushed online? Maybe lag isnt the factor but it clearly seems like they have some issues with playing online vs lan | ||
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Arnfasta
United States183 Posts
Nada vs TLO was on the NA server as well if im not mistakened, so he knew what he was in for. and in those series he didnt seem affected by it, so its hard to think that was a big issue now No that's true and a strong point. I can't claim I know what's what, only what I think. Kas most definitely outplayed Nada today but the mistakes Nada made seem unusual for a player of his caliber (Korean or not). My only other thought might be that the earthquake in Japan affected the latency in a way that it hadn't beforehand. Overall though, the discussion doesn't really add anything unless we've got numbers to look at latency; otherwise, most of us are just making conjectures based on feelings and biases so I'll shush now. Gratz to Adelscott and Kas, looking forward to seeing them in the Ro8!! | ||
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Malinor
Germany4736 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:52 Logo2010 wrote: Because his reactions times were fast. Like reaper running away from Xel Naga. In the same game Nada let his marine die at the Xel Naga. In that case, I have lag all the time. My units always die in places where I didn't check fast enough. Finally an excuse! | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:54 zasda wrote: how is getting supplo blocked and queuing delay's fault haha getting desperate there buddy nada must be very rusty, or not playing at all i mean what happened to the broodwar nada? 3 bases with 9 barracks each with 1 marine in them with zero minerals =[ poor nada(while running SK terran and dropping / microing like a god) WHERE IS OUR OSL CHAMPION?  | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
I'm amazed by Kas though, i knew he was good, but he certainly showed really solid play today. However, i also do think Nada could have played better. I'm tempted to say MC will win it now, though with the way things are going it might just be Kas, Naniwa or Thorzain  | ||
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