EPTSo if you're the higher seeded player, you play games 1/4/5 on your server, and the lower gets 2/3. So even if you're in Korea don't they play on the SEA server for at least two games?
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
So if you're the higher seeded player, you play games 1/4/5 on your server, and the lower gets 2/3. So even if you're in Korea don't they play on the SEA server for at least two games? | ||
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pHelix Equilibria
United States1134 Posts
So far have been filled with upsets, but thats what makes it exciting so far. Good games! Can't wait for the next weekend of matches! | ||
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Resolve
Singapore679 Posts
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zeru
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Arnfasta
United States183 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:55 cheesemaster wrote: Okay my question to people that dont think lag was a factor at all in any of the KR vs US/EU games is, why are all these Korean players underperfoming in every single game then, aside from MC so far every single game koreans have made silly mistakes that you would never see them make in a LAN setting or a GSL, like literally never. So what is your reasoning for them underperfoming? Regardless of weather they are used to the opposing players play style or not it shouldnt mean that they get supply blocked mis micro etc etc so often when we see them play at such a high caliber at Lan settings like the gsl. I think part of it has to do with styles that Koreans are not used to. The Korean server, to my understanding, is much more homogeneous and if one style becomes popular for say, TvT, EVERYONE is using that strategy on the Korean server. Whereas, on the EU and NA servers, there's a lot more variety and so the players there have to be much more versatile. | ||
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Swixi
United States73 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:54 zasda wrote: how is getting supplo blocked and queuing delay's fault haha getting desperate there buddy I hope you're not serious, but if you are, I would advise you to first think about your post. How can getting supply blocked be lag's fault? The side effect of latency isn't that you're behind a couple seconds - it's that your entire game gets thrown off. Your decision making, micro, and macro are all hindered. Again, I don't think it was purely lag. In my opinion, the Koreans didn't prepare all that much for the TSL and underestimated the foreigners. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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SACtheXchng
168 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:42 Arnfasta wrote: And if you play 10 hours a day to get ready for this tournament on the Korean server and you hit the lag for the first time in those 3 games, it can severely throw off even the best players. I'm sorry, but this is like saying that if you're a professional marathon runner and you train in Holland for a marathon which you'll have to run in high altitudes in Peru, you have a good excuse for underperforming. No! You just suck at your Profession. Fact is, you should train in even higher altitudes for that. Are these guys professionals or what? Maybe some of you guys are right in assuming that the koreans don't take this tournament seriously, but if they aren't they aren't professionals in my book. | ||
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:56 FairForever wrote: I thought that for this tournament the format was 1-2-2 So if you're the higher seeded player, you play games 1/4/5 on your server, and the lower gets 2/3. So even if you're in Korea don't they play on the SEA server for at least two games? EU to Korea/SEA is unplayable for either party. NA is the middle-ground both parties can consider "fair". | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote: Someone mentioned lag doesn't make you forget supply depots, but really if you think about it, lag has everything to do with it.... I'm not saying there WAS significant lag, but if there was, you start playing like shit cuz lag doesn't let you play crisply the way you'd want to. Just saying. I wonder if this was something the organizers foresaw when getting this started... Yah sure Kas beat NaDa 3-0 that's great, but was that really dependent on pure skill alone? We saw what happened in WC when it was played in a LAN setting, even though that wasn't very representative of the foreigners. Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s What the fuck? If anyone doesn't know Kas he clearly has now clue about anything starcraft related outside korea... | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:55 cheesemaster wrote: Okay my question to people that dont think lag was a factor at all in any of the KR vs US/EU games is, why are all these Korean players underperfoming in every single game then, aside from MC so far every single game koreans have made silly mistakes that you would never see them make in a LAN setting or a GSL, like literally never. So what is your reasoning for them underperfoming? Regardless of weather they are used to the opposing players play style or not it shouldnt mean that they get supply blocked mis micro etc etc so often when we see them play at such a high caliber at Lan settings like the gsl. How did MC micro his Zealot perfectly in game 1 vs Ciara? How did Nada micro his Banshee perfectly against TLO? Look at their ladder records - you'll notice every player sits in the 50% - 70% win range, even champions. If they don't prepare for their opponent they will have a possibility of losing to a strong competitor who has prepared. It's my theory that is exactly what happened here. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
. Or, if that kind of lag is really an issue in this game just keep tournaments region based so we're sure the best man wins. Also, would be interesting to get an interview of the Koreans and get to know what they think of it. How come it hasn't been provided yet ? | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:58 Resilient wrote: EU to Korea/SEA is unplayable for either party. NA is the middle-ground both parties can consider "fair". I missed the cast today, to confirm they played all 5 (or would've played all 5) on NA then? | ||
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ganil
253 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:57 zeru wrote: Pretty much every euro i know predicted that kas would crush nada. Not anyones fault except ur own if you dont follow the international tournament scene tbh, kas is VERY well known. I agree. Every top euro player I know predicted kas to crush nada. He's considered as the biggest favorite here (with naniwa and mc). | ||
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TalkSick
Bulgaria223 Posts
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
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Rasva_Pallo
Finland126 Posts
In mirror match up you can't even talk about imbalance so clearly the better player won. If you think it was because of lag then it's too bad for you because then you are propably angry atm. After all it was just one series in one tournament that happens, maybe Nada had off day maybe Kas played his absolute best. Whatever the tournament must go on, the winners advance and the losers don't. | ||
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Logo2010
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote: Someone mentioned lag doesn't make you forget supply depots, but really if you think about it, lag has everything to do with it.... I'm not saying there WAS significant lag, but if there was, you start playing like shit cuz lag doesn't let you play crisply the way you'd want to. Just saying. I wonder if this was something the organizers foresaw when getting this started... Yah sure Kas beat NaDa 3-0 that's great, but was that really dependent on pure skill alone? We saw what happened in WC when it was played in a LAN setting, even though that wasn't very representative of the foreigners. Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I am actually very surpised with how little people know how extremely good Kas is. He has been preforming very well in sc2. (been a little les the lost month or two but before that he was definatly one of the best of europe, it not the best of europe) | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:49 cuppatea wrote: In which case the latency (or at least mvp's unfamiliarity with it) clearly affected the outcome, which is something Hot_Bid refused to acknowledge. what are you talking about, i've never said lag doesn't exist. the lag is worse for koreans to NA than EU to NA (not sure about Ukraine to NA so not sure for Kas). multiple times i've said that the players who have prepared for lag could have done better. that alone assumes there is some lag. my point has always been that lag exists its just not the big deciding factor people have been claiming it as. practice/preparation and who actually plays better that day is more important. i don't know why the IM guys decided not to prepare at all for the matches or why they played like they did. do i think they would've played much better if they practiced more on NA, or cared more about their opponents, or took us up on the offer to play from the oGs house? probably. is it completely within their own control to do those things? yes. it's amazing to me that people don't see the inherent bias in how they perceive who wins and loses. Haypro loses a very close match 1-2 vs Kas with the same lag Nada has and there are 0 lag complaints. nobody said anything. then Nada gets absolutely dominated by Kas 0-3, often falling behind by 20 supply without any major engagements and people say "oh it was just lag." that's just ridiculous. Nada lost to a superior player in this series. that was quite clear. this doesn't mean Kas is somehow a bonjwa at Brood War or upending the entire world order of progaming. it just means he was better today. | ||
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