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On April 06 2011 05:14 udgnim wrote:
can anyone explain why MC pushed out and basically 2 based all in in Game 5 against MKP?
I really think MC could have turtled up, go 3 base, and try to build up as much army supply as possible while waiting for MKP to decide when to attack him.
the only way MC would have won with his 2 base attack was if MKP didn't build enough Vikings and MKP had plenty of those.
Probably because it's been so long since MC was in a long drawn out macro game that he's forgotten how to play them.
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On April 06 2011 05:06 dunc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 04:27 JJH777 wrote:On April 06 2011 02:50 underdawg wrote:
MC took back what he said against foreigners. when has idra taken back anything? IdrA took back saying Nestea was bad. Because he looked like an idiot saying it and everyone laughed at him for it yes. Meanwhile he still thinks July is bad while July is about 5 times better than him.
Link to him saying July is bad?
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On April 06 2011 05:06 dunc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 04:27 JJH777 wrote:On April 06 2011 02:50 underdawg wrote:
MC took back what he said against foreigners. when has idra taken back anything? IdrA took back saying Nestea was bad. Because he looked like an idiot saying it and everyone laughed at him for it yes. Meanwhile he still thinks July is bad while July is about 5 times better than him. I don't mind MC being cocky, he has a fun factor to himself and he's not like Idra. He can back it up because he's actually one of the best players in the world and on top of that when he loses he actually gives credit to his opponents(he even gave credit to July) instead of blaming it on excuses and always bringing up balance.
You look like twice the idiot for caring so incredible hard about what others think online 
Also, once July starts losing a lot (it's going to happen, don't kid yourself) you will have no zergs left to praise.
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On April 05 2011 21:58 HolyArrow wrote:
What people don't realize about MC is that he isn't cocky just because he wants to be an asshole, he's cocky to help himself deal with his own nerve issues. People also don't realize that MC is a great friend and a very nice guy (just ask Jinro). People also don't realize that MC's micro is ridiculously difficult to emulate, and to simplify it as just "using forcefields" is the same as simplifying MKP's micro as "just kiting". People also don't realize that MC actually plays a very strong macro game but probably got stuck into this odd "I want to kill MKP early because that's always been working for me with other opponents in the past" mindset, which is admittedly a huge flaw in judgment on MC's part.
Basically, if you know all these things about MC, it doesn't make much sense to dislike him, which brings me to the conclusion that everyone who dislikes MC just doesn't know enough about him and harbors one of the misconceptions I stated above. Yes, I am a huge MC fanboy but my reasons are completely valid.
Truer words have never been spoken. This is exactly how I feel about MC. I just love underdogs taking it and therefore am happy of the outcome of the game. But in all honesty, it's not hard to misunderstand MC with the way he behaves. People who don't know the whole story could easily just see him as a typical douchebag (which he is far from). How many progamers have you seen give out their keyboard and mouse after a match? The guy has a kind heart.
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Wow. amazing games.
MVP will be the first player to win a GSL Championship while in code A. lol
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On April 06 2011 05:21 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:06 dunc wrote:On April 06 2011 04:27 JJH777 wrote:On April 06 2011 02:50 underdawg wrote:
MC took back what he said against foreigners. when has idra taken back anything? IdrA took back saying Nestea was bad. Because he looked like an idiot saying it and everyone laughed at him for it yes. Meanwhile he still thinks July is bad while July is about 5 times better than him. I don't mind MC being cocky, he has a fun factor to himself and he's not like Idra. He can back it up because he's actually one of the best players in the world and on top of that when he loses he actually gives credit to his opponents(he even gave credit to July) instead of blaming it on excuses and always bringing up balance. You look like twice the idiot for caring so incredible hard about what others think online Also, once July starts losing a lot (it's going to happen, don't kid yourself) you will have no zergs left to praise.
Hm, Min/Leenock/Losira. I think I'll have enough that are better than your hero. 
Last season he said everything was absolutely unwinnable as Zerg and we still had a Zerg in both Code A and Code S finals so I think it'll be just fine.
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So ecstatic about the come back! Should have queued the song don't stop believing after the series! would have been so approriate.
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On April 06 2011 05:21 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:06 dunc wrote:On April 06 2011 04:27 JJH777 wrote:On April 06 2011 02:50 underdawg wrote:
MC took back what he said against foreigners. when has idra taken back anything? IdrA took back saying Nestea was bad. Because he looked like an idiot saying it and everyone laughed at him for it yes. Meanwhile he still thinks July is bad while July is about 5 times better than him. Link to him saying July is bad?
Look for the GSL5 Prediction thread. One of the quotes is Idra saying something to the effect of "MC will win. July is bad and MC is Protoss".
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On April 05 2011 21:51 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:43 Sami` wrote:On April 05 2011 21:26 jellyjello wrote:
MC is still a better player, but you can definitely tell that MC didn't practice much for this match. In every game he was reacting to what MKP did. Zealot + sentry combo was a terrible idea for MC, because MKP basically out-micro'd that very easily. If MC had prepared just a little, he would know that MKP's marine micro is one of the best. I don't think MC is the better player - he plays a better race. I'm not saying MC isn't good because he is and he has solid micro but at the moment he is winning games because of race and timed attacks that are very hard to counter no matter who is doing them. MKP has better micro and adapts to the situation far better than MC who seems a little lost when his timed attacks don't work. MKP is his own biggest enemy, he does these high risk strategies when he should trust his own skills more - when he is playing at his best I don't think any Z or P can beat him, T is a little different since it is a little too easy for T to counter his style. Oh, come on, don't sell MC short like that by just saying that he plays a better race. You obviously haven't seen MC's micro in other series and are basing that entire opinion off this one series.
what sami says is pretty idiculous when you consider how well MC does vs all other protoss players
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Link to him saying July is bad?
Idra said it numerous times in SoTG
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On April 06 2011 05:21 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:06 dunc wrote:On April 06 2011 04:27 JJH777 wrote:On April 06 2011 02:50 underdawg wrote:
MC took back what he said against foreigners. when has idra taken back anything? IdrA took back saying Nestea was bad. Because he looked like an idiot saying it and everyone laughed at him for it yes. Meanwhile he still thinks July is bad while July is about 5 times better than him. I don't mind MC being cocky, he has a fun factor to himself and he's not like Idra. He can back it up because he's actually one of the best players in the world and on top of that when he loses he actually gives credit to his opponents(he even gave credit to July) instead of blaming it on excuses and always bringing up balance. You look like twice the idiot for caring so incredible hard about what others think online Also, once July starts losing a lot (it's going to happen, don't kid yourself) you will have no zergs left to praise.
...and you look like a fool for thinking that there's any difference between "online and offline". I don't want to get all philosophical on you, but what we perceive are all interactions in our brain - no matter if it's some guy telling it to our face, or through text from a stranger half a world away.
We live in the year 2011, and are posting on an "E"-SPORTS website.
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On April 06 2011 05:14 udgnim wrote:
can anyone explain why MC pushed out and basically 2 based all in in Game 5 against MKP?
I really think MC could have turtled up, go 3 base, and try to build up as much army supply as possible while waiting for MKP to decide when to attack him.
the only way MC would have won with his 2 base attack was if MKP didn't build enough Vikings and MKP had plenty of those.
You are focusing on the wrong battle, like Day9 has said before in analysis go back to where MC really lost this. When his initial push failed and the counter attack by MKP did massive amounts of damage to his economy and army. He almost lost right there, he was massively behind. Both MC and MVP knew this it was only a matter of time before MVP attacked when he was ready to and the only way he could lose was if MKP made a massive mistake like letting MC catch up again. MKP is too good to make that kind of mistake though. So MC did what he could he built what he could out of the tech he had, hes not going to go tech switching when he is already that far behind and then attacked and went down fighting.
Its a bit like saying why did the football team throw all their players forward right at the end there they were only going to concede another goal when they were 3-0 down.
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On April 06 2011 05:00 IVN wrote:
Well, equivalent to the way it is in the respective races. Toss stim from core and terran colossus after armory.
Terran would easily survive this.
Warpgate research already takes 140 seconds and most of the Warpgate rushes finish this in a little over 5 minutes into the game. You now have to research Stimpack on top of this, adding another 170 seconds. You probably don't have an expo down yet, so you won't be able to Chronoboost through both upgrades even if you saved up a full energy Nexus, forcing you to eat the full brunt of research time. To give you an idea of how long that 170 seconds of game time is, the Terran can make a CC AND morph it into a PF in just 150 seconds. Accounting for research time, your attack would probably hit around 8:30-9 minutes by which time Terran would have more than enough to crush your rush.
Now you could go double Core and research both at once, but that's basically a Gateway you lost by making another Core, and that will cut your attack force substantially when you consider the production cycles you lost. Either way, Terran easily holds and your mid and late game strength is severely gutted from losing Colossi and HT's.
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Enough theorycrafting and crying over micro/macro/imbalances. It is established that whoever wins, their race is OP that's just how TL fanboys always will be because they think they are so good because they are in diamond.
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On April 06 2011 05:32 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:14 udgnim wrote:
can anyone explain why MC pushed out and basically 2 based all in in Game 5 against MKP?
I really think MC could have turtled up, go 3 base, and try to build up as much army supply as possible while waiting for MKP to decide when to attack him.
the only way MC would have won with his 2 base attack was if MKP didn't build enough Vikings and MKP had plenty of those. You are focusing on the wrong battle, like Day9 has said before in analysis go back to where MC really lost this. When his initial push failed and the counter attack by MKP did massive amounts of damage to his economy and army. He almost lost right there, he was massively behind. Both MC and MVP knew this it was only a matter of time before MVP attacked when he was ready to and the only way he could lose was if MKP made a massive mistake like letting MC catch up again. MKP is too good to make that kind of mistake though. So MC did what he could he built what he could out of the tech he had, hes not going to go tech switching when he is already that far behind and then attacked and went down fighting. Its a bit like saying why did the football team throw all their players forward right at the end there they were only going to concede another goal when they were 3-0 down.
except instead of trying to turtle and catch back up, MC built up a 2 base army and all inned with it by moving it out into the middle of the map and engaging MKP's superior army
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[QUOTE]On April 06 2011 05:21 JJH777 wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 06 2011 05:06 dunc wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 06 2011 04:27 JJH777 wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 06 2011 02:50 underdawg wrote:
MC took back what he said against foreigners. when has idra taken back anything?[/QUOTE]
IdrA took back saying Nestea was bad.
Because he looked like an idiot saying it and everyone laughed at him for it yes. Meanwhile he still thinks July is bad while July is about 5 times better than him. [/QUOTE]
lol? He doesn't give a shit how you think of him or anyone in the community. He said Nestea was bad, then he saw nestea actually got good and changed his mind. I mean this comment is just lol worthy.
The results surprised me looking at them can't believe we're having a tvt finals thought it was going to be a tvp of mvp vs mc. very surprising another big tournament win for MVP coming up 
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On April 06 2011 05:40 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:32 Vimsey wrote:On April 06 2011 05:14 udgnim wrote:
can anyone explain why MC pushed out and basically 2 based all in in Game 5 against MKP?
I really think MC could have turtled up, go 3 base, and try to build up as much army supply as possible while waiting for MKP to decide when to attack him.
the only way MC would have won with his 2 base attack was if MKP didn't build enough Vikings and MKP had plenty of those. You are focusing on the wrong battle, like Day9 has said before in analysis go back to where MC really lost this. When his initial push failed and the counter attack by MKP did massive amounts of damage to his economy and army. He almost lost right there, he was massively behind. Both MC and MVP knew this it was only a matter of time before MVP attacked when he was ready to and the only way he could lose was if MKP made a massive mistake like letting MC catch up again. MKP is too good to make that kind of mistake though. So MC did what he could he built what he could out of the tech he had, hes not going to go tech switching when he is already that far behind and then attacked and went down fighting. Its a bit like saying why did the football team throw all their players forward right at the end there they were only going to concede another goal when they were 3-0 down. except instead of trying to turtle and catch back up, MC built up a 2 base army and all inned with it by moving it out into the middle of the map and engaging MKP's superior army
As I said MKP is not a terrible player that would let him do that so that would be the worst option IMO waiting for MKP to massup his deathstar army is stupid. Focus on why MC did the first push thats where he lost and to be honest I am not sure why he did that.
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lol? He doesn't give a shit how you think of him or anyone in the community. He said Nestea was bad, then he saw nestea actually got good and changed his mind. I mean this comment is just lol worthy. The results surprised me looking at them can't believe we're having a tvt finals thought it was going to be a tvp of mvp vs mc. very surprising another big tournament win for MVP coming up
Nestea has always been better than Idra, so "he saw" is lol worthy.
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On April 06 2011 05:34 Sevenofnines wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:00 IVN wrote:
Well, equivalent to the way it is in the respective races. Toss stim from core and terran colossus after armory. Terran would easily survive this. Warpgate research already takes 140 seconds and most of the Warpgate rushes finish this in a little over 5 minutes into the game. You now have to research Stimpack on top of this, adding another 170 seconds. You probably don't have an expo down yet, so you won't be able to Chronoboost through both upgrades even if you saved up a full energy Nexus, forcing you to eat the full brunt of research time. To give you an idea of how long that 170 seconds of game time is, the Terran can make a CC AND morph it into a PF in just 150 seconds. Accounting for research time, your attack would probably hit around 8:30-9 minutes by which time Terran would have more than enough to crush your rush. Now you could go double Core and research both at once, but that's basically a Gateway you lost by making another Core, and that will cut your attack force substantially when you consider the production cycles you lost. Either way, Terran easily holds and your mid and late game strength is severely gutted from losing Colossi and HT's.
And Protoss have force fields that take no research time at all. Your turn.
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i thought the liquidbet of san and Mc was really safe and today was going to help my like 30% correct liquid bets. i got owned again i should start flipping a coin so i can at least get 50% correct.
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