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On April 06 2011 06:21 beat farm wrote:

MVP is pulling out of a slump. he has been bad vs P lately and this is the first time he proved he could beat a P since his slump, and San is possibly the second best protoss. so yeah i felt like it was a really safe bet.

On April 06 2011 07:58 deroth wrote:


MVP is the only player who gives me nerdgasms with his amazing plays. Well, aside from his slump into code a when he lost his up/down matches without showing anything. Even in the finals against MKP in january which everybody apparently hated, i felt like the games were awesome simply because how impeccably MVP played. I still have that vision of his army movements on Meta where he countered perfectly MKP's gold command center, then scanned in a perfect place to predict MKP's counterattack, positioned his split army perfectly, etc.

Against San he had these two wow moments, where he lifted his CC to let his bio maneuver around forcefields, which seems to be a "simple" idea, but it's just super creative and it's that level of creativity that I have not seen from any other sc2 player. And his final battle in game 4 on xel'naga was jaw dropping.

Also, I remember very well the decisive game he actually lost to MMA in the last GSTL. Despite the loss (which was primarily due to unscouted gold expo), the creativity and precision of his TvT maneuvers in that game was like watching a chess world champion play a super creative game.

I actually wish MVP played protoss because I *think* that his recent slump was largely caused by his frustration in TvP. Being a supremely talented player he (again, a conjecture on my part) found himself in a position where he didn't see solid strategies on these new big maps that would allow him to complete against protoss in lategame. And again being a supremely talented player he felt like he was forced to "cheese" his TvP's by doing mid-game bio pushes. I think at heart he really likes playing terran as it "should" be played, with good variety of units and strategies.

Anyway, that was my fanboy's MVP rant.. The original point was that I think no matter how good MKP's micro is, MVP is just a beast on another level (that is unless he's in a slump :o)

On April 06 2011 08:52 GinDo wrote:
Haven't seen the vods yet, but i've heard that some had some good Marine Tank use. Could anyone point them out .

On April 06 2011 07:08 Zinthar wrote:
I'm really surprised that the Terrans took both TvP's (even though MVP is probably the most skilled SC2 player in the world) given the current state of the metagame.

In both series, we saw the Protoss players going for heavy early 4 gate pressure in half of the games and some beautiful defense by MVP & MKP (particularly MKP's Game 3 defense).

I'm surprised particularly at MC, because was 2-0'd recently in the FXOpen by Cloud (a terran) because he decided to just go for 4 gate all-ins, and Cloud defended. Considering that TvP swings even more in P's favor the longer the game goes, not trying for a macro game in game 5 (because of the absurdly long rush distance) was a poor decision.

I'm really impressed with MKP (aside from his poor decision in Game 1 to not attack up MC's ramp when he was still producing on only 1 wg) -- this is a guy who had a set style that worked, then was figured out by MVP in the January GSL, and he performed poorly in the recent GSTL's. Now he'll go for mech, or a 1-1-1 all-in, and sometimes still for marine heavy play with the sickest Terran micro around (aside from perhaps MVP).

On the other hand, MC has become quite predictable. Honestly, I think MVP & NesTea are still a step above MC, especially when it comes to decision making. MC is the best Protoss at a time when Protoss has been winning almost everything, and he has an impeccable early game. But we haven't seen him in a lot of mid & late game situations -- he seems to no longer be invincible if you can get him past the point of crushing you with gateway units. The one game July took on him was where he went for early stargate instead of a 4-6 wg push. Mvp beat him quite easily in the February GSTL with a 2 base timing push. Then he pumped way too many probes off of 2 base on Xel'Naga vs. MKP when his obs scouted MKP going for a one base push that was basically all-in.

He's still a top 5 overall player, but he might need a MKP reinvention of his play style, particularly given that he's expecting a Protoss gateway-related nerf in 1.4 (based on his interview after winning the March GSL).

On April 06 2011 09:47 tdt wrote:

You're implying Toss is strongest is ridiculous - it should be according to blizzard, but it's not.
Terran is least played race and has more tournament wins, makes up majority of top 20 in ladders. Don't let a couple tournaments and exceptional play fool you real numbers suggest otherwise.