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So glad MKP is back to his old style, plenty o Marines!!
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http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
nothing clear about it. zerg is higher played at the plat, diamond and master levels. and less at gold and below. but i would argue that the stat is skewed for lower leagues because of inactivity and the fact that bad players played the campaign and started off as terran.
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Go get your revenge MKP! 4-0 him back!
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MC's play to me, is amazing. His playstyle is boring, not because that is the way he actually plays, but because his opponents cannot survive his early game pushes.
If you have watched games with him against NaDa, his replay vs. Butterfly, and his macro game vs. July, and he can play a macro game as well. Jinro has also vouched for his Macro transitions, stating that noone MC played has stayed alive long enough for him to show his true strength, which I assume means his transitions into long amazing macro games, which is why I'm very disappointed at a no MC vs. MVP finals! I wanted to see that true strength.
Also, I love his attitude, accepting of his friends and people who have impressed him, but not afraid to speak his mind, again unlike IdrA who speaks his mind, but does not concede wins or strength to people that beat him, and who rather blame cheese or "Zerg's weakness". I can see, however, how people who have only seen his interviews (Especially in the GSL finals, which was prescripted by GOM I'm pretty sure) could think he was arrogant beyond belief.
However, for all of this MKP is my favorite Terran, and hopefully this will give him a much much needed confidence boost, and while this is happening, the supposed Final Boss is recovering from his slump as well! M ACRONYM TRIO HWAITING! (Where's Mr. Tea? He needs to get back in on this action!)
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On April 06 2011 09:27 nokz88 wrote:
Oh my god this is so much better than anything MLG had to offer in 3 whole frickin' days. I really wonder why this has only 163 pages of posts while that joke of a tourney had like 850...
And to anyone hating on TvT finals:
TvT has proven time and time again that it is by far and away the best mirror matchup, and arguably the best matchup. This finals will be insane.
Nah, only if you're a terran user.
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On April 06 2011 10:43 IVN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 09:27 nokz88 wrote:
Oh my god this is so much better than anything MLG had to offer in 3 whole frickin' days. I really wonder why this has only 163 pages of posts while that joke of a tourney had like 850...
And to anyone hating on TvT finals:
TvT has proven time and time again that it is by far and away the best mirror matchup, and arguably the best matchup. This finals will be insane. Nah, only if you're a terran user.
Yeah, this finals will be insane just like the last MVP v. MKP finals, right?
I agree that TvT is the best mirror based off of a clear proof from trends of epic macro games that the other mirrors rarely (if ever at all) produce, but the best matchup, period? There's little if any evidence to support that.
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On April 06 2011 10:43 IVN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 09:27 nokz88 wrote:
Oh my god this is so much better than anything MLG had to offer in 3 whole frickin' days. I really wonder why this has only 163 pages of posts while that joke of a tourney had like 850...
And to anyone hating on TvT finals:
TvT has proven time and time again that it is by far and away the best mirror matchup, and arguably the best matchup. This finals will be insane. Nah, only if you're a terran user.
I'm a protoss user here and I would take tvt over zvz and pvp any day. There I just proved you wrong.
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On April 06 2011 10:49 kiniko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 10:43 IVN wrote:On April 06 2011 09:27 nokz88 wrote:
Oh my god this is so much better than anything MLG had to offer in 3 whole frickin' days. I really wonder why this has only 163 pages of posts while that joke of a tourney had like 850...
And to anyone hating on TvT finals:
TvT has proven time and time again that it is by far and away the best mirror matchup, and arguably the best matchup. This finals will be insane. Nah, only if you're a terran user. I'm a protoss user here and I would take tvt over zvz and pvp any day. There I just proved you wrong.
He's more saying its not the best mu in the game lol. If you read the quote the guy says "arguably the best mu" which most people except for terans disagree. Do you find tvt the best mu out of everything tvp/tvz/pvz? If you do well your one of a kind.
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On April 06 2011 10:49 kiniko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 10:43 IVN wrote:On April 06 2011 09:27 nokz88 wrote:
Oh my god this is so much better than anything MLG had to offer in 3 whole frickin' days. I really wonder why this has only 163 pages of posts while that joke of a tourney had like 850...
And to anyone hating on TvT finals:
TvT has proven time and time again that it is by far and away the best mirror matchup, and arguably the best matchup. This finals will be insane. Nah, only if you're a terran user. I'm a protoss user here and I would take tvt over zvz and pvp any day. There I just proved you wrong.
Haha, nice edit there, buddy. But don't worry, I saw it. Maybe you're the one who needs to read more carefully next time 
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Oh, didn't read the fine print there. Yah he's right, TVT is definitely not the best match up. I'd pick anything over mirrors anyday
And hey Arrow I admit my mistake Cheers
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I was so happy when MKP made that comeback. The kid is so good, and so consistent. He's been to the finals of GSL tourney's 3 times... that's pretty insane. I hope he wins one, and not be MarineKong forever.
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On April 06 2011 10:52 kiniko wrote:Oh, didn't read the fine print there. Yah he's right, TVT is definitely not the best match up. I'd pick anything over mirrors anyday And hey Arrow I admit my mistake Cheers
Ok, fair enough. I tend to be too mean to people who accuse me of not reading carefully when they're the ones who didn't read carefully >_>
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Anyone else having issues watching the VODs from last night? Whenever I try to load up the matches the obligatory ad comes on, plays for 30 seconds, then nothing happens after that. I've tried doing different matches on both HQ and SQ with the same results. Getting real tired of seeing this Chase ad over and over.. 
edit: Do I have to donate to see the VODs??
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On April 06 2011 09:58 acejem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 09:47 tdt wrote:On April 06 2011 07:08 Zinthar wrote:
I'm really surprised that the Terrans took both TvP's (even though MVP is probably the most skilled SC2 player in the world) given the current state of the metagame.
In both series, we saw the Protoss players going for heavy early 4 gate pressure in half of the games and some beautiful defense by MVP & MKP (particularly MKP's Game 3 defense).
I'm surprised particularly at MC, because was 2-0'd recently in the FXOpen by Cloud (a terran) because he decided to just go for 4 gate all-ins, and Cloud defended. Considering that TvP swings even more in P's favor the longer the game goes, not trying for a macro game in game 5 (because of the absurdly long rush distance) was a poor decision.
I'm really impressed with MKP (aside from his poor decision in Game 1 to not attack up MC's ramp when he was still producing on only 1 wg) -- this is a guy who had a set style that worked, then was figured out by MVP in the January GSL, and he performed poorly in the recent GSTL's. Now he'll go for mech, or a 1-1-1 all-in, and sometimes still for marine heavy play with the sickest Terran micro around (aside from perhaps MVP).
On the other hand, MC has become quite predictable. Honestly, I think MVP & NesTea are still a step above MC, especially when it comes to decision making. MC is the best Protoss at a time when Protoss has been winning almost everything, and he has an impeccable early game. But we haven't seen him in a lot of mid & late game situations -- he seems to no longer be invincible if you can get him past the point of crushing you with gateway units. The one game July took on him was where he went for early stargate instead of a 4-6 wg push. Mvp beat him quite easily in the February GSTL with a 2 base timing push. Then he pumped way too many probes off of 2 base on Xel'Naga vs. MKP when his obs scouted MKP going for a one base push that was basically all-in.
He's still a top 5 overall player, but he might need a MKP reinvention of his play style, particularly given that he's expecting a Protoss gateway-related nerf in 1.4 (based on his interview after winning the March GSL). You're implying Toss is strongest is ridiculous - it should be according to blizzard, but it's not. Terran is least played race and has more tournament wins, makes up majority of top 20 in ladders. Don't let a couple tournaments and exceptional play fool you real numbers suggest otherwise. Not sure what you're smoking, but zerg is clearly the least played race.
Not with people we are talking about. It's 2nd. Try and keep up.
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nice to see mkp bring back some of his style from the gsl open tourneys... love the fact he's mixing it up so much.
and san/mvp game 4 was just awesome. san's crazy tech switches and mvp's quick turnaround... best game of the night.
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On April 06 2011 10:02 bigbeau wrote:http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/allnothing clear about it. zerg is higher played at the plat, diamond and master levels. and less at gold and below. but i would argue that the stat is skewed for lower leagues because of inactivity and the fact that bad players played the campaign and started off as terran.
But when Terran was doing well back around Christmas there was far more Terrans in the higher leagues than there is now. The population has shifted since then, and it's pointless to point to the distribution now and say that Terran was underrepresented then. Also, Terran still going strong in Korea, especially in Masters.
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On April 06 2011 05:49 hahaimhenry wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:34 Sevenofnines wrote:On April 06 2011 05:00 IVN wrote:
Well, equivalent to the way it is in the respective races. Toss stim from core and terran colossus after armory. Terran would easily survive this. Warpgate research already takes 140 seconds and most of the Warpgate rushes finish this in a little over 5 minutes into the game. You now have to research Stimpack on top of this, adding another 170 seconds. You probably don't have an expo down yet, so you won't be able to Chronoboost through both upgrades even if you saved up a full energy Nexus, forcing you to eat the full brunt of research time. To give you an idea of how long that 170 seconds of game time is, the Terran can make a CC AND morph it into a PF in just 150 seconds. Accounting for research time, your attack would probably hit around 8:30-9 minutes by which time Terran would have more than enough to crush your rush. Now you could go double Core and research both at once, but that's basically a Gateway you lost by making another Core, and that will cut your attack force substantially when you consider the production cycles you lost. Either way, Terran easily holds and your mid and late game strength is severely gutted from losing Colossi and HT's. And Protoss have force fields that take no research time at all. Your turn. User was temp banned for this post.
Hmm, ban reason is given as balance whining, but he was not balance whining in the least. It is seems quite clear from the context(quoted text and the whole rather crazy tangent that it belongs to).
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I was really hoping for Zv anything finals.
Zerg have been underrepresented in turnies lately.
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On April 06 2011 03:06 Zorgaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 02:53 OutlaW- wrote:
What drink was MVP drinking? Some sort of lemonade? :O Tea ^^ Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 03:00 ScythedBlade wrote:On April 06 2011 02:27 shakenbake wrote:On April 06 2011 02:23 IVN wrote:On April 05 2011 23:30 Sami` wrote:On April 05 2011 23:24 yandere991 wrote:
Read again, I said kiting happens with gateway and MM then Sami then decided to put colossi into the argument so I decided to put in sentries. And when I said MM vs Gateway I stressed that you don't need to stutter step like MK to avoid concuss'd zealots to win just like how protoss don't need to stalkerfield a zerg to win. What the exaggeration some forum users put on the difficulty to kite a gateway force in early game with MM is amazing.
So you are trying to create scenarios that MM doesn't stutter step and use that as your justification for why P micro isn't easier than T bio micro? Problem is that anyone who actually plays/watches the game knows that MM stutter step in nearly every game. P micro is in fact much, much harder, than anything a T has to do in a battle. And this is true, cause doing fast AND precise actions, like placing FFs is simply much harder to do than clicking and then pressing S. Thats also the reason, why there is only one player that can do "MC FFs", namely MC himself, and why every T can do the same stutter step micro. And micro is generally easier when your units move much faster and have much higher DPS. Which is the case with stimed MM. In the deathball battle toss just A moves and spams FFs and prepatch press t on the MM. T's have to snipe the cols, emp the temps,stim and kite the zeals. its not that ez. Actually it is generally accepted that P micro for the most part is harder than Terran micro in PvT games. It's mostly because the only thing you do have to dodge is storms. Where Terran micro goes crazy is only in TvZ games when you can actually make marines spread out against banelings. Also, the forcefields are what Protoss have to force to do to prevent Terran from kiting, and it's much easier to kite than place Forcefields in an open field, while in a semi close space, it's still possible to kite. Don't troll by saying Terran micro is ever harder than Protoss in a PvT game. It's simply not. (Positioning skills are what you use to win against Toss) =P No its no generally accepted. Don't tell other people to stop trolling when you are clearly doing the same. Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 03:02 The KY wrote:On April 05 2011 21:51 IVN wrote:
So, not one Toss is QQing about imba Terra/stim/MMM...
I bet, had MC rolled MKP 3:0, this thread would be 500+ pages long, and at least 80% of the posts would have been whining about FFs, Colossi, warpgates, and so on.
I'm really proud for being a Protoss player. Protoss = guys with balls. T/Z = constantly whining "old wives". Guess I imagined the endless toss whine between release and MC's first GSL win. Why is it that people feel the need to create divisions and bicker with eachother based on what race they happened to pick? The total inability of so many people to be even a little objective is getting pretty tiresome. Totally agree, It's funny that no matter who wins in any manner of way theirs always something to complain about =/. I'm just happy theirs a TvT final :D.
Pretty sure MKP was drinking gatorade -_-
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TvT is easily the best mirror, ZvZ was pretty bad but I think it has gotten a lot better. I really just can't stand PvP though
Crazy comeback by MKP though. Just shows he's hands down a top 5 player in the world. Show me another person that could take 3 in a row like that off MC, and that game 3 was something else. That was a pretty scary rush, although I think MC should of just went up the front. I was still blown away though because I think that is the hardest all in to stop TvP, especially against someone like MC
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