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Powerfoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada167 Posts
April 06 2011 02:24 GMT
#3281
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?
NOW YOU SEE?
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
April 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#3282
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


so...so...me people are emotional... you jeerk.

*cries*
jcarlson08
Profile Joined March 2011
United States267 Posts
April 06 2011 02:33 GMT
#3283
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?



He's very young compared to most of the other players. And I'm sure that series was an emotional rollercoaster, being down 2-0 on the brink of elimination and battling back like that. Also he's always seemed a little effeminate (although less so now than when he was running around in his pink hoodie).

He's a baller though, no doubt.
ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
April 06 2011 02:33 GMT
#3284
I don't get why everyone says TvP is imbalanced and that GSL terran players were in a slump until recently. I think it's better to say that until recently, Terran players were being LAZY. Before this, all we were seeing was Marauder, viking and medivac for TvP so of course you're going to get facerolled like. I would actually have been concerned if Terran were able to win that easily.

Nowadays, Terran are being forced to make ghosts, throw in some tanks and use ravens as well for PDD, and we've been seeing just how strong that is. I don't think TvP was ever imbalanced, more just MMM began to not work and Terran weren't able to find a better way to play until they realized how good marine/tank was.

On that subject, I think HT's should still have amulet but have it be -5 energy less than you need to storm. And give zerg an ability to drain energy. I don't see why HT's can feedback, ghosts can EMP... and there's no way for zerg to "drain" energy short of actually neural parasiting an enemy spell caster to prevent them from casting.

The only matchup I'll say that is definitely much harder is ZvP. TvP is perfectly fine, people who think Protoss have an insane advantage are only crying because MMM balls don't work anymore.
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
April 06 2011 02:34 GMT
#3285
Epic match, congrats MKP! TvT is by no means my favorite match up, but I'm excited about the final!
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
April 06 2011 02:35 GMT
#3286
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


Yeah, I think it's called caring a lot about what he does. That and he's very young.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
April 06 2011 02:35 GMT
#3287
On April 06 2011 11:33 ct2299 wrote:
I don't get why everyone says TvP is imbalanced and that GSL terran players were in a slump until recently. I think it's better to say that until recently, Terran players were being LAZY. Before this, all we were seeing was Marauder, viking and medivac for TvP so of course it's going to be tough to win. I would actually have been concerned if Terran were able to win that easily.

Nowadays, Terran are being forced to make ghosts, throw in some tanks and use ravens as well for PDD, and we've been seeing just how strong that is. I don't think TvP was ever imbalanced, more just MMM began to not work and Terran weren't able to find a better way to play until they realized how good marine/tank was.

On that subject, I think HT's should still have amulet but have it be -5 energy less than you need to storm. And give zerg an ability to drain energy. I don't see why HT's can feedback, ghosts can EMP... and there's no way for zerg to "drain" energy short of actually neural parasiting an enemy spell caster to prevent them from casting.

The only matchup I'll say that is definitely much harder is ZvP. TvP is perfectly fine, people who think Protoss have an insane advantage are only crying because MMM balls don't work anymore.

PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
April 06 2011 02:36 GMT
#3288
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?

I do question whether this is a troll post from the gom forums with the single post, but he is still a pretty young kid first of all. Also, he only teared up after the 1st game (which he should have won) and the last game when he completed the 0-2 comeback. Yeah, the kid tears up more than anyone else out there in the GSL but he's just sensitive and takes his gaming pretty seriously.
the farm ends here
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
April 06 2011 02:38 GMT
#3289
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


1. He's 17
2. He trains all day to be the best
3. It's an insane amount of pressure/stress playing in a series like that

Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 06 2011 02:38 GMT
#3290
On April 06 2011 11:04 ShivaN wrote:
Anyone else having issues watching the VODs from last night? Whenever I try to load up the matches the obligatory ad comes on, plays for 30 seconds, then nothing happens after that. I've tried doing different matches on both HQ and SQ with the same results. Getting real tired of seeing this Chase ad over and over..

edit: Do I have to donate to see the VODs??

No, the HQ Live and VODs are free to watch for this event
silentsod
Profile Joined August 2010
United States198 Posts
April 06 2011 02:40 GMT
#3291
Holy balls that was an amazing comeback!

Good to see MKP mixing up his style but still able to crush. Hopefully this will be the end of his slump.

MKP fighting!
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 02:42:38
April 06 2011 02:41 GMT
#3292
I don't understand why everyone screams imbalance every time the meta game shifts, or one race beings to perform well

Crying about imbalance is the opposite of what this game is about.

But while we are on the subject, I could see the bunker build time being tweaked again, 40 seconds seems like an awfully long time when those units are warping in
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
April 06 2011 02:51 GMT
#3293
On April 06 2011 09:47 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 07:08 Zinthar wrote:
I'm really surprised that the Terrans took both TvP's (even though MVP is probably the most skilled SC2 player in the world) given the current state of the metagame.

In both series, we saw the Protoss players going for heavy early 4 gate pressure in half of the games and some beautiful defense by MVP & MKP (particularly MKP's Game 3 defense).

I'm surprised particularly at MC, because was 2-0'd recently in the FXOpen by Cloud (a terran) because he decided to just go for 4 gate all-ins, and Cloud defended. Considering that TvP swings even more in P's favor the longer the game goes, not trying for a macro game in game 5 (because of the absurdly long rush distance) was a poor decision.

I'm really impressed with MKP (aside from his poor decision in Game 1 to not attack up MC's ramp when he was still producing on only 1 wg) -- this is a guy who had a set style that worked, then was figured out by MVP in the January GSL, and he performed poorly in the recent GSTL's. Now he'll go for mech, or a 1-1-1 all-in, and sometimes still for marine heavy play with the sickest Terran micro around (aside from perhaps MVP).

On the other hand, MC has become quite predictable. Honestly, I think MVP & NesTea are still a step above MC, especially when it comes to decision making. MC is the best Protoss at a time when Protoss has been winning almost everything, and he has an impeccable early game. But we haven't seen him in a lot of mid & late game situations -- he seems to no longer be invincible if you can get him past the point of crushing you with gateway units. The one game July took on him was where he went for early stargate instead of a 4-6 wg push. Mvp beat him quite easily in the February GSTL with a 2 base timing push. Then he pumped way too many probes off of 2 base on Xel'Naga vs. MKP when his obs scouted MKP going for a one base push that was basically all-in.

He's still a top 5 overall player, but he might need a MKP reinvention of his play style, particularly given that he's expecting a Protoss gateway-related nerf in 1.4 (based on his interview after winning the March GSL).

You're implying Toss is strongest is ridiculous - it should be according to blizzard, but it's not.
Terran is least played race and has more tournament wins, makes up majority of top 20 in ladders. Don't let a couple tournaments and exceptional play fool you real numbers suggest otherwise.


And what do tournament results from patch 1.2 have to do with the current state of the game? As of the last 2 months, Terran have been doing pretty badly in comparison to Z and P despite having equal or better representation at most major tournaments. The overall player pool on ladder has very little to do with representation at the highest levels either. Take a look at tournament play and results. A glance at the "real numbers" should tell you that what you're wrong.

On April 06 2011 09:58 acejem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 09:47 tdt wrote:
On April 06 2011 07:08 Zinthar wrote:
I'm really surprised that the Terrans took both TvP's (even though MVP is probably the most skilled SC2 player in the world) given the current state of the metagame.

In both series, we saw the Protoss players going for heavy early 4 gate pressure in half of the games and some beautiful defense by MVP & MKP (particularly MKP's Game 3 defense).

I'm surprised particularly at MC, because was 2-0'd recently in the FXOpen by Cloud (a terran) because he decided to just go for 4 gate all-ins, and Cloud defended. Considering that TvP swings even more in P's favor the longer the game goes, not trying for a macro game in game 5 (because of the absurdly long rush distance) was a poor decision.

I'm really impressed with MKP (aside from his poor decision in Game 1 to not attack up MC's ramp when he was still producing on only 1 wg) -- this is a guy who had a set style that worked, then was figured out by MVP in the January GSL, and he performed poorly in the recent GSTL's. Now he'll go for mech, or a 1-1-1 all-in, and sometimes still for marine heavy play with the sickest Terran micro around (aside from perhaps MVP).

On the other hand, MC has become quite predictable. Honestly, I think MVP & NesTea are still a step above MC, especially when it comes to decision making. MC is the best Protoss at a time when Protoss has been winning almost everything, and he has an impeccable early game. But we haven't seen him in a lot of mid & late game situations -- he seems to no longer be invincible if you can get him past the point of crushing you with gateway units. The one game July took on him was where he went for early stargate instead of a 4-6 wg push. Mvp beat him quite easily in the February GSTL with a 2 base timing push. Then he pumped way too many probes off of 2 base on Xel'Naga vs. MKP when his obs scouted MKP going for a one base push that was basically all-in.

He's still a top 5 overall player, but he might need a MKP reinvention of his play style, particularly given that he's expecting a Protoss gateway-related nerf in 1.4 (based on his interview after winning the March GSL).

You're implying Toss is strongest is ridiculous - it should be according to blizzard, but it's not.
Terran is least played race and has more tournament wins, makes up majority of top 20 in ladders. Don't let a couple tournaments and exceptional play fool you real numbers suggest otherwise.


Not sure what you're smoking, but zerg is clearly the least played race.


As of 1.3, T is the least played at master level on ladder.

On April 06 2011 11:17 OhMyGawd wrote:
I was really hoping for Zv anything finals.

Zerg have been underrepresented in turnies lately.


Uh what? Which major tournies have Z been underrepresented in lately? GSL5? IEM WC? GSLWC? Z have been in equal or more major tourney finals in the last month than T even with the TvT final now.
"Excuse me I gotta do some vacuuming really fast *vrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm*" Day[9]
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
April 06 2011 03:03 GMT
#3294
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


Great first post, continue being a dick and I'm sure you'll be around for a long time.

You know some people actually put their emotions into this game, they're not all robots.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 06 2011 03:03 GMT
#3295
On April 06 2011 10:49 kiniko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 10:43 IVN wrote:
On April 06 2011 09:27 nokz88 wrote:
Oh my god this is so much better than anything MLG had to offer in 3 whole frickin' days. I really wonder why this has only 163 pages of posts while that joke of a tourney had like 850...

And to anyone hating on TvT finals:
TvT has proven time and time again that it is by far and away the best mirror matchup, and arguably the best matchup. This finals will be insane.

Nah, only if you're a terran user.

I'm a protoss user here and I would take tvt over zvz and pvp any day. There I just proved you wrong.

I'm a protoss player and would take TvT over all the other matchups. Rest just feel not enough back and forth.
MC for president
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 03:11:21
April 06 2011 03:06 GMT
#3296
On April 06 2011 11:51 tripper688 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 09:47 tdt wrote:
On April 06 2011 07:08 Zinthar wrote:
I'm really surprised that the Terrans took both TvP's (even though MVP is probably the most skilled SC2 player in the world) given the current state of the metagame.

In both series, we saw the Protoss players going for heavy early 4 gate pressure in half of the games and some beautiful defense by MVP & MKP (particularly MKP's Game 3 defense).

I'm surprised particularly at MC, because was 2-0'd recently in the FXOpen by Cloud (a terran) because he decided to just go for 4 gate all-ins, and Cloud defended. Considering that TvP swings even more in P's favor the longer the game goes, not trying for a macro game in game 5 (because of the absurdly long rush distance) was a poor decision.

I'm really impressed with MKP (aside from his poor decision in Game 1 to not attack up MC's ramp when he was still producing on only 1 wg) -- this is a guy who had a set style that worked, then was figured out by MVP in the January GSL, and he performed poorly in the recent GSTL's. Now he'll go for mech, or a 1-1-1 all-in, and sometimes still for marine heavy play with the sickest Terran micro around (aside from perhaps MVP).

On the other hand, MC has become quite predictable. Honestly, I think MVP & NesTea are still a step above MC, especially when it comes to decision making. MC is the best Protoss at a time when Protoss has been winning almost everything, and he has an impeccable early game. But we haven't seen him in a lot of mid & late game situations -- he seems to no longer be invincible if you can get him past the point of crushing you with gateway units. The one game July took on him was where he went for early stargate instead of a 4-6 wg push. Mvp beat him quite easily in the February GSTL with a 2 base timing push. Then he pumped way too many probes off of 2 base on Xel'Naga vs. MKP when his obs scouted MKP going for a one base push that was basically all-in.

He's still a top 5 overall player, but he might need a MKP reinvention of his play style, particularly given that he's expecting a Protoss gateway-related nerf in 1.4 (based on his interview after winning the March GSL).

You're implying Toss is strongest is ridiculous - it should be according to blizzard, but it's not.
Terran is least played race and has more tournament wins, makes up majority of top 20 in ladders. Don't let a couple tournaments and exceptional play fool you real numbers suggest otherwise.


And what do tournament results from patch 1.2 have to do with the current state of the game? As of the last 2 months, Terran have been doing pretty badly in comparison to Z and P despite having equal or better representation at most major tournaments. The overall player pool on ladder has very little to do with representation at the highest levels either. Take a look at tournament play and results. A glance at the "real numbers" should tell you that what you're wrong.

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 09:58 acejem wrote:
On April 06 2011 09:47 tdt wrote:
On April 06 2011 07:08 Zinthar wrote:
I'm really surprised that the Terrans took both TvP's (even though MVP is probably the most skilled SC2 player in the world) given the current state of the metagame.

In both series, we saw the Protoss players going for heavy early 4 gate pressure in half of the games and some beautiful defense by MVP & MKP (particularly MKP's Game 3 defense).

I'm surprised particularly at MC, because was 2-0'd recently in the FXOpen by Cloud (a terran) because he decided to just go for 4 gate all-ins, and Cloud defended. Considering that TvP swings even more in P's favor the longer the game goes, not trying for a macro game in game 5 (because of the absurdly long rush distance) was a poor decision.

I'm really impressed with MKP (aside from his poor decision in Game 1 to not attack up MC's ramp when he was still producing on only 1 wg) -- this is a guy who had a set style that worked, then was figured out by MVP in the January GSL, and he performed poorly in the recent GSTL's. Now he'll go for mech, or a 1-1-1 all-in, and sometimes still for marine heavy play with the sickest Terran micro around (aside from perhaps MVP).

On the other hand, MC has become quite predictable. Honestly, I think MVP & NesTea are still a step above MC, especially when it comes to decision making. MC is the best Protoss at a time when Protoss has been winning almost everything, and he has an impeccable early game. But we haven't seen him in a lot of mid & late game situations -- he seems to no longer be invincible if you can get him past the point of crushing you with gateway units. The one game July took on him was where he went for early stargate instead of a 4-6 wg push. Mvp beat him quite easily in the February GSTL with a 2 base timing push. Then he pumped way too many probes off of 2 base on Xel'Naga vs. MKP when his obs scouted MKP going for a one base push that was basically all-in.

He's still a top 5 overall player, but he might need a MKP reinvention of his play style, particularly given that he's expecting a Protoss gateway-related nerf in 1.4 (based on his interview after winning the March GSL).

You're implying Toss is strongest is ridiculous - it should be according to blizzard, but it's not.
Terran is least played race and has more tournament wins, makes up majority of top 20 in ladders. Don't let a couple tournaments and exceptional play fool you real numbers suggest otherwise.


Not sure what you're smoking, but zerg is clearly the least played race.


As of 1.3, T is the least played at master level on ladder.

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 11:17 OhMyGawd wrote:
I was really hoping for Zv anything finals.

Zerg have been underrepresented in turnies lately.


Uh what? Which major tournies have Z been underrepresented in lately? GSL5? IEM WC? GSLWC? Z have been in equal or more major tourney finals in the last month than T even with the TvT final now.


Here is latest touney roundup I could find march 15-31
[image loading]

You were saying?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209265
MC for president
Hakkesshu
Profile Joined April 2011
United States78 Posts
April 06 2011 03:07 GMT
#3297

watsdis? mkp serving penance for season 2? lol. that was an amazing season and what got me hooked on esports. i suppose unlike a lot of people here i didn't use to watch tourney's (BW was before my... err--- current free time). but MKP was amazing in season two, he has nothing to do penance for.


I guess I'm not alone. I got into Esport (at least for SC2) because of Foxer, believe or not. I liked FruitDealer and Nestea, until I saw how MKP plays (ballers). And I'm a Zerg player. His games are just entertaining to me. No one is baller enough like MKP to lift off CC for gold in the semis.

He shoulda won Season 2 if he didn't hesitate the rush. He was also the first to rape FruitDealer in that season. I don't know, maybe MKP looks like an underdog but somehow manages to win.

I wish MKP stops trying not to be a marine king. Don't listen to the whiners. Should play to win. If Nestea don't know how to defend rushes, why not exploit that?

And finally, killing off MC in the last match with just marines was epic.
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
April 06 2011 03:07 GMT
#3298
T and P player...and I would say TvT > PvP, ZvZ, PvZ
TvT = PvT, ZvT

but thats just me.
"Excuse me I gotta do some vacuuming really fast *vrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm*" Day[9]
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#3299
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?

Lots of work and fighting paying off. I'd cry too.
MC for president
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
April 06 2011 03:11 GMT
#3300
On April 06 2011 10:50 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 10:49 kiniko wrote:
On April 06 2011 10:43 IVN wrote:
On April 06 2011 09:27 nokz88 wrote:
Oh my god this is so much better than anything MLG had to offer in 3 whole frickin' days. I really wonder why this has only 163 pages of posts while that joke of a tourney had like 850...

And to anyone hating on TvT finals:
TvT has proven time and time again that it is by far and away the best mirror matchup, and arguably the best matchup. This finals will be insane.

Nah, only if you're a terran user.

I'm a protoss user here and I would take tvt over zvz and pvp any day. There I just proved you wrong.


He's more saying its not the best mu in the game lol. If you read the quote the guy says "arguably the best mu" which most people except for terans disagree. Do you find tvt the best mu out of everything tvp/tvz/pvz? If you do well your one of a kind.


TvP and TvZ can be very exciting, but TvT is up there too... well you are allowed to disagree but that's what "arguably" means, that it is possible to argue the contrary.

Oh and btw PvZ nowadays is a joke... I'd take TvT over PvZ any day of the week.
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