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usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
April 06 2011 08:14 GMT
#3321
Well, for me it depends who the P is. I like to watch Alicia. Love to watch San. Don't watch MC. (except his losses, lol)
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
April 06 2011 08:36 GMT
#3322
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


man...have you never invested so much effort into something that it meant so much to you?

some people may never understand how one can put so much meaning into a computer game but welcome to pro-gaming. although mkp is 17, he's a professional gamer. as a professional, it means gaming has become his life, it's what defines him at this stage and he invests 12+ hours each and every day trying to improve himself. ppl don't realize it's not just the HOURS they put in, it's that during each and every hour, they are constantly studying, working on, analyzing their play (and other's play) to get better and reach the pinnacle of this profession

that, plus the occasion (he was recently in a slump after ppl were dissing him for being a 1-dimensional cheeser, and beating the GOD protoss after being down 0-2) is all the more reason for his emotional response.
NDsOdapOp
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom60 Posts
April 06 2011 08:39 GMT
#3323
dam what a surprise double Terran in the finals.... who would have guessed that
imba, imba world
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 06 2011 08:41 GMT
#3324
--- Nuked ---
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
April 06 2011 08:42 GMT
#3325
On April 06 2011 17:36 hmmm... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


he invests 12+ hours each and every day trying to improve himself.


I don't know how you can put such arbitary numbers out of your heat?
From where do you get these "12+ hours" ?

Yes you have to train alot to be as good as he is, but Sc2 hasn't reached bw-esque
dimensions.
I don't believe it, they don't play that much consistently every day.

wat
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
April 06 2011 08:43 GMT
#3326
On April 06 2011 14:50 dragonblade369 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 12:48 tripper688 wrote:
On April 06 2011 12:19 tdt wrote:
On April 06 2011 11:33 ct2299 wrote:
I don't get why everyone says TvP is imbalanced and that GSL terran players were in a slump until recently. I think it's better to say that until recently, Terran players were being LAZY. Before this, all we were seeing was Marauder, viking and medivac for TvP so of course you're going to get facerolled like. I would actually have been concerned if Terran were able to win that easily.

Nowadays, Terran are being forced to make ghosts, throw in some tanks and use ravens as well for PDD, and we've been seeing just how strong that is. I don't think TvP was ever imbalanced, more just MMM began to not work and Terran weren't able to find a better way to play until they realized how good marine/tank was.

On that subject, I think HT's should still have amulet but have it be -5 energy less than you need to storm. And give zerg an ability to drain energy. I don't see why HT's can feedback, ghosts can EMP... and there's no way for zerg to "drain" energy short of actually neural parasiting an enemy spell caster to prevent them from casting.

The only matchup I'll say that is definitely much harder is ZvP. TvP is perfectly fine, people who think Protoss have an insane advantage are only crying because MMM balls don't work anymore.


Terran were top 3 of 4 of season 4 and ultimately won it. That was season before last. Other than oGsMC protoss pretty much sucking in GSL.

There is zero statistics to back up this whole protoss imba meme just opinion. Stats on ladders, in tournament roundups, etc say Terran most powerful and zerg/toss about even.

I think it has to do with when toss gets 200 they just demolish whatever you put in front of them. Perception becomes reality.


LOL what? GSL 5, 0 T in Ro4 and you find that less relevant than season 4 results? Stats on ladder show that T is played about as much as Z and less as protoss with equal win % as Z. Tournament round ups? Looking at the highest and most prestigious of tournaments show T doing poorer than P or even Z in the last 2 months. Are you even serious anymore?


Completely irrelevant. The pre-patch win-ratio in master league favor Terran. There were 0 Protoss in Season 1,2,4 of GSL. there were 0 Terran in one(1)(uno) season and the Terran are already starting to QQ. If you watched the games today it's even more evident that your idea is purely unfounded. Try to think before spitting out things that's not true. (Like Terran doing poorer than Z). Are you even serious anymore?


Really dude? You're talking about season 1,2, and 4 of GSL, with the most recent one in January as a way of measuring the current state of the game? Have you looked at the recent tournaments? 1 day of games where Protoss made some pretty bad calls with outstanding micro from Terran is enough to refute 2 months of results? As for Master League: Terran win rates were .4% higher than Z in 1.2 and .2% higher in 1.3.

Have you even been following any of the major tournies in the last oh...2 months?
"Excuse me I gotta do some vacuuming really fast *vrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm*" Day[9]
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 08:52:54
April 06 2011 08:52 GMT
#3327
On April 06 2011 17:42 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 17:36 hmmm... wrote:
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


he invests 12+ hours each and every day trying to improve himself.


I don't know how you can put such arbitary numbers out of your heat?
From where do you get these "12+ hours" ?

Yes you have to train alot to be as good as he is, but Sc2 hasn't reached bw-esque
dimensions.
I don't believe it, they don't play that much consistently every day.



sorry, yes you're right they're from BW but i assume at least pros like mvp/mkp transferred their practicing regimes from BW to SC2 since they were also BW progamers; obviously not talking about all players but those really striving for the top.

and if you REALLY want actual sources, i don't have a link, but you can search jinro's interview a while back before his gsl semifinals where he said he was practicing 13 hours every day
ShiNwave
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom41 Posts
April 06 2011 09:30 GMT
#3328
On April 06 2011 17:42 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 17:36 hmmm... wrote:
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


he invests 12+ hours each and every day trying to improve himself.


I don't know how you can put such arbitary numbers out of your heat?
From where do you get these "12+ hours" ?

Yes you have to train alot to be as good as he is, but Sc2 hasn't reached bw-esque
dimensions.
I don't believe it, they don't play that much consistently every day.



Er.. yes they do
ShiNwave.944 @ Eu
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
April 06 2011 10:02 GMT
#3329
On April 06 2011 17:42 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 17:36 hmmm... wrote:
On April 06 2011 11:24 Powerfoe wrote:
MarineKing seems to be crying after every game. Does he have some sort of condition that causes this?


he invests 12+ hours each and every day trying to improve himself.


I don't know how you can put such arbitary numbers out of your heat?
From where do you get these "12+ hours" ?

Yes you have to train alot to be as good as he is, but Sc2 hasn't reached bw-esque
dimensions.
I don't believe it, they don't play that much consistently every day.



Quite a few sc2 players have said in interviews that they do train that much and more.
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padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 11:39:20
April 06 2011 11:32 GMT
#3330
Imagine yourself joining a public scene, and you move under the spotlight instantly. You suddenly have lots of fans, people giving you names, lots of foreign people cheering you on, and close family/friends supporting you. You do well, you believe you can be the best, and people tell you so. Then you start doing bad. You lose on public scenes. You try to do well but you know people are disappointed. You are disappointed. Forever 2nd.
You don't give up.
You practice hard, you practice harder. In VODS of the Prime house interview, I never even saw him raise his head once. Just kept practicing, kept practicing, you have to do well.

World Championship now, RO4. And you lose 2 embarrassing games. Very very embarrassing games, in front of the whole world, millions watching. If it was me, I wouldn't just cry, I'll probably go kill myself. The amount of effort, the pressure, and you get raped like a child in front of millions, defenseless and countered at every turn.
Then you tell yourself you didn't make it this far to give up, you have to win, you WILL win.

Then you win three FANTASTIC games in a row when the rest of the world believed you to choke and die. You believed you'll choke and die.

You are overwhelmed.

People don't realize that many of these pro players are just kids. They are teenagers/young players trying to prove themselves. Even in other professional sports scene, older players will break under the amount of pressure.

Why can't he cry? This isn't a game to him. This is probably more than life and death to them. That is the kind of attitude that makes you better.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."
-Bill Shankly, English soccer manager.
Stop procrastinating
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
April 06 2011 12:03 GMT
#3331
Simply some people are more emotional than others, I love seeing some emotion, shows how much he cares. I hate seeing stone faced robots after they win.
go marine king go!

Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
April 06 2011 12:06 GMT
#3332
On April 06 2011 20:32 padfoota wrote:
Imagine yourself joining a public scene, and you move under the spotlight instantly. You suddenly have lots of fans, people giving you names, lots of foreign people cheering you on, and close family/friends supporting you. You do well, you believe you can be the best, and people tell you so. Then you start doing bad. You lose on public scenes. You try to do well but you know people are disappointed. You are disappointed. Forever 2nd.
You don't give up.
You practice hard, you practice harder. In VODS of the Prime house interview, I never even saw him raise his head once. Just kept practicing, kept practicing, you have to do well.

World Championship now, RO4. And you lose 2 embarrassing games. Very very embarrassing games, in front of the whole world, millions watching. If it was me, I wouldn't just cry, I'll probably go kill myself. The amount of effort, the pressure, and you get raped like a child in front of millions, defenseless and countered at every turn.
Then you tell yourself you didn't make it this far to give up, you have to win, you WILL win.

Then you win three FANTASTIC games in a row when the rest of the world believed you to choke and die. You believed you'll choke and die.

You are overwhelmed.

People don't realize that many of these pro players are just kids. They are teenagers/young players trying to prove themselves. Even in other professional sports scene, older players will break under the amount of pressure.

Why can't he cry? This isn't a game to him. This is probably more than life and death to them. That is the kind of attitude that makes you better.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."
-Bill Shankly, English soccer manager.


Man, I was touched by this post =P

Especially with the finishing sentence.

Thank you.

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
April 06 2011 12:32 GMT
#3333
On April 06 2011 15:51 ct2299 wrote:
I also love how everyone here suddenly loves TvT now. Everyone used to hate it when SC2 first came out and when GSL was Terran dominated. The amount of mindless QQ here is amazing hahaha.



Wrong.

It never had anything to do with Terran domination or not.

The thing was, for a long time the TvT matchup was basically Viking/Tank positional play with some Medivac harass that beat everything else, so it grew stale quickly.
However, some great Terran players (mainly MKP and MVP) came up with this new dynamic TvT style, which tried to exploit Tank immobility and its susceptibility to flanking, and it created a very interesting relationship with the existing Tank heavy style.
Currently, with the new Battlecruiser buff that throws a whole new dimension when late game hits, high level TvT became amazing to watch, and I daresay it does not give an inch to TvZ and TvP, both widely considered the most entertaining matchups.

If you want to see what I mean, watch:
Jinro vs Ensnare (GSL January) for some incredible back and forth Tank/Viking battles,
MarineKing vs NaDa (GSL January) for some extremely tense end game scenarios
MVP vs Hyperdub (GSL January) for some jaw dropping one sided beatdown, yet still very entertaining TvT
MVP vs Ryung (GSTL March) for some badass BC action
and finally
MVP vs MMA (GSTL March), the most high level TvT played since the day SC2 launched, period.
in a state of trance
haruk
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
April 06 2011 13:30 GMT
#3334
On April 06 2011 20:32 padfoota wrote:
Imagine yourself joining a public scene, and you move under the spotlight instantly. You suddenly have lots of fans, people giving you names, lots of foreign people cheering you on, and close family/friends supporting you. You do well, you believe you can be the best, and people tell you so. Then you start doing bad. You lose on public scenes. You try to do well but you know people are disappointed. You are disappointed. Forever 2nd.
You don't give up.
You practice hard, you practice harder. In VODS of the Prime house interview, I never even saw him raise his head once. Just kept practicing, kept practicing, you have to do well.

World Championship now, RO4. And you lose 2 embarrassing games. Very very embarrassing games, in front of the whole world, millions watching. If it was me, I wouldn't just cry, I'll probably go kill myself. The amount of effort, the pressure, and you get raped like a child in front of millions, defenseless and countered at every turn.
Then you tell yourself you didn't make it this far to give up, you have to win, you WILL win.

Then you win three FANTASTIC games in a row when the rest of the world believed you to choke and die. You believed you'll choke and die.

You are overwhelmed.

People don't realize that many of these pro players are just kids. They are teenagers/young players trying to prove themselves. Even in other professional sports scene, older players will break under the amount of pressure.

Why can't he cry? This isn't a game to him. This is probably more than life and death to them. That is the kind of attitude that makes you better.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."
-Bill Shankly, English soccer manager.


I love you! Couldn't have said it better myself. He was thrust into the limelight in season 2 and we were all so disappointed when he got owned by mvp. But I believed!!! Hahahahaha! (Sorry.) Anyway, when he started joking around about it being his job to get 2nd I must say I was relieved. Showed he was getting back on his feet. And my goodness to come back from a very bad 2-0 to reverse all kill MC in FANTASTIC games. Lololololol. I'm loving it. I'm not expecting him to win vs mvp (hoping and praying though) but I sure as hell don't want him to be raped again.

He can cry all he wants. With my blessing.
dragonblade369
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada464 Posts
April 06 2011 13:39 GMT
#3335
On April 06 2011 17:43 tripper688 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 14:50 dragonblade369 wrote:
On April 06 2011 12:48 tripper688 wrote:
On April 06 2011 12:19 tdt wrote:
On April 06 2011 11:33 ct2299 wrote:
I don't get why everyone says TvP is imbalanced and that GSL terran players were in a slump until recently. I think it's better to say that until recently, Terran players were being LAZY. Before this, all we were seeing was Marauder, viking and medivac for TvP so of course you're going to get facerolled like. I would actually have been concerned if Terran were able to win that easily.

Nowadays, Terran are being forced to make ghosts, throw in some tanks and use ravens as well for PDD, and we've been seeing just how strong that is. I don't think TvP was ever imbalanced, more just MMM began to not work and Terran weren't able to find a better way to play until they realized how good marine/tank was.

On that subject, I think HT's should still have amulet but have it be -5 energy less than you need to storm. And give zerg an ability to drain energy. I don't see why HT's can feedback, ghosts can EMP... and there's no way for zerg to "drain" energy short of actually neural parasiting an enemy spell caster to prevent them from casting.

The only matchup I'll say that is definitely much harder is ZvP. TvP is perfectly fine, people who think Protoss have an insane advantage are only crying because MMM balls don't work anymore.


Terran were top 3 of 4 of season 4 and ultimately won it. That was season before last. Other than oGsMC protoss pretty much sucking in GSL.

There is zero statistics to back up this whole protoss imba meme just opinion. Stats on ladders, in tournament roundups, etc say Terran most powerful and zerg/toss about even.

I think it has to do with when toss gets 200 they just demolish whatever you put in front of them. Perception becomes reality.


LOL what? GSL 5, 0 T in Ro4 and you find that less relevant than season 4 results? Stats on ladder show that T is played about as much as Z and less as protoss with equal win % as Z. Tournament round ups? Looking at the highest and most prestigious of tournaments show T doing poorer than P or even Z in the last 2 months. Are you even serious anymore?


Completely irrelevant. The pre-patch win-ratio in master league favor Terran. There were 0 Protoss in Season 1,2,4 of GSL. there were 0 Terran in one(1)(uno) season and the Terran are already starting to QQ. If you watched the games today it's even more evident that your idea is purely unfounded. Try to think before spitting out things that's not true. (Like Terran doing poorer than Z). Are you even serious anymore?


Really dude? You're talking about season 1,2, and 4 of GSL, with the most recent one in January as a way of measuring the current state of the game? Have you looked at the recent tournaments? 1 day of games where Protoss made some pretty bad calls with outstanding micro from Terran is enough to refute 2 months of results? As for Master League: Terran win rates were .4% higher than Z in 1.2 and .2% higher in 1.3.

Have you even been following any of the major tournies in the last oh...2 months?


Lets look at it this way. Two days of top terran slump made so that there were no terran in top 4 of gsl 5. How is that different from 1 day of incredible terran micro? You are being a bit hypocryte there. Terran are now starting to explore othrr styles than mmm. Give it some time.

Typing on phone. Sry for typo.
sadyque
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania251 Posts
April 06 2011 14:00 GMT
#3336
On April 06 2011 20:32 padfoota wrote:
Imagine yourself joining a public scene, and you move under the spotlight instantly. You suddenly have lots of fans, people giving you names, lots of foreign people cheering you on, and close family/friends supporting you. You do well, you believe you can be the best, and people tell you so. Then you start doing bad. You lose on public scenes. You try to do well but you know people are disappointed. You are disappointed. Forever 2nd.
You don't give up.
You practice hard, you practice harder. In VODS of the Prime house interview, I never even saw him raise his head once. Just kept practicing, kept practicing, you have to do well.

World Championship now, RO4. And you lose 2 embarrassing games. Very very embarrassing games, in front of the whole world, millions watching. If it was me, I wouldn't just cry, I'll probably go kill myself. The amount of effort, the pressure, and you get raped like a child in front of millions, defenseless and countered at every turn.
Then you tell yourself you didn't make it this far to give up, you have to win, you WILL win.

Then you win three FANTASTIC games in a row when the rest of the world believed you to choke and die. You believed you'll choke and die.

You are overwhelmed.

People don't realize that many of these pro players are just kids. They are teenagers/young players trying to prove themselves. Even in other professional sports scene, older players will break under the amount of pressure.

Why can't he cry? This isn't a game to him. This is probably more than life and death to them. That is the kind of attitude that makes you better.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."
-Bill Shankly, English soccer manager.


Awesome writeup!! This should be in the MarineKing fanclub thread!
60 bucks? But it has Kerrigans Boobs in three god damn dimensions. Do you know how long i have waited for this?
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
April 06 2011 14:12 GMT
#3337
Second place to Nestea, second place to Kyrix, second place to MVP . . . let's see how things go this time around.
powerade = dragoon blood
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
April 06 2011 16:18 GMT
#3338
MKP FIGHTING!!!!!! What a sick comeback, I couldn't believe it. He's been building up his resilience
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 16:23:17
April 06 2011 16:22 GMT
#3339
The series for this tournament have been all so wonderful!

I was rooting for San and MKP, and I don't even know why, maybe I like the underdogs, but either way, happy to see Terran winning now that I've been playing more Terran, and soooo happy when MKP made that comeback, can't wait to see the finals, hope they're good!

And seriously, gold minerals? So awesome
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
DumJumJmyWum
Profile Joined March 2011
United States75 Posts
April 06 2011 16:31 GMT
#3340
Really impressed and happy MKP making a comeback! Marines are my favorite unit!!! :D tsssss aaaaw yea!
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