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raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
April 05 2011 18:03 GMT
#3161
MC definitely underestimated his opponent after he was up on games
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
April 05 2011 18:06 GMT
#3162
On April 06 2011 02:53 OutlaW- wrote:
What drink was MVP drinking? Some sort of lemonade? :O


Tea ^^

On April 06 2011 03:00 ScythedBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 02:27 shakenbake wrote:
On April 06 2011 02:23 IVN wrote:
On April 05 2011 23:30 Sami` wrote:
On April 05 2011 23:24 yandere991 wrote:
Read again, I said kiting happens with gateway and MM then Sami then decided to put colossi into the argument so I decided to put in sentries. And when I said MM vs Gateway I stressed that you don't need to stutter step like MK to avoid concuss'd zealots to win just like how protoss don't need to stalkerfield a zerg to win. What the exaggeration some forum users put on the difficulty to kite a gateway force in early game with MM is amazing.


So you are trying to create scenarios that MM doesn't stutter step and use that as your justification for why P micro isn't easier than T bio micro?

Problem is that anyone who actually plays/watches the game knows that MM stutter step in nearly every game.

P micro is in fact much, much harder, than anything a T has to do in a battle. And this is true, cause doing fast AND precise actions, like placing FFs is simply much harder to do than clicking and then pressing S.

Thats also the reason, why there is only one player that can do "MC FFs", namely MC himself, and why every T can do the same stutter step micro.

And micro is generally easier when your units move much faster and have much higher DPS. Which is the case with stimed MM.


In the deathball battle toss just A moves and spams FFs and prepatch press t on the MM. T's have to snipe the cols, emp the temps,stim and kite the zeals. its not that ez.


Actually it is generally accepted that P micro for the most part is harder than Terran micro in PvT games. It's mostly because the only thing you do have to dodge is storms. Where Terran micro goes crazy is only in TvZ games when you can actually make marines spread out against banelings.

Also, the forcefields are what Protoss have to force to do to prevent Terran from kiting, and it's much easier to kite than place Forcefields in an open field, while in a semi close space, it's still possible to kite.

Don't troll by saying Terran micro is ever harder than Protoss in a PvT game. It's simply not. (Positioning skills are what you use to win against Toss) =P


No its no generally accepted. Don't tell other people to stop trolling when you are clearly doing the same.

On April 06 2011 03:02 The KY wrote:
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On April 05 2011 21:51 IVN wrote:
So, not one Toss is QQing about imba Terra/stim/MMM...


I bet, had MC rolled MKP 3:0, this thread would be 500+ pages long, and at least 80% of the posts would have been whining about FFs, Colossi, warpgates, and so on.


I'm really proud for being a Protoss player. Protoss = guys with balls. T/Z = constantly whining "old wives".


Guess I imagined the endless toss whine between release and MC's first GSL win.

Why is it that people feel the need to create divisions and bicker with eachother based on what race they happened to pick? The total inability of so many people to be even a little objective is getting pretty tiresome.


Totally agree, It's funny that no matter who wins in any manner of way theirs always something to complain about =/.

I'm just happy theirs a TvT final :D.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
April 05 2011 18:15 GMT
#3163
ugh another MVP Marineking finals... hope this one's better than the last one
IVN
Profile Joined October 2010
534 Posts
April 05 2011 18:19 GMT
#3164
On April 06 2011 02:47 nofacej wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 02:33 IVN wrote:
On April 06 2011 01:30 Arwanto wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:51 IVN wrote:
So, not one Toss is QQing about imba Terra/stim/MMM...


I bet, had MC rolled MKP 3:0, this thread would be 500+ pages long, and at least 80% of the posts would have been whining about FFs, Colossi, warpgates, and so on.


I'm really proud for being a Protoss player. Protoss = guys with balls. T/Z = constantly whining "old wives".


why should protoss whines when they got better units and mechanics ?
lol ...
anyway nice back and forth games by MKP
though he's gonna lose but he manages to get it back into the game
especially in g3 when the void & proxy pylon spawns zealots ...
he manages to escape from the deathly GG

Give me stim for my zealots and stalkers, and you can have the colossus and HTs, deal?


Pretty sure that would make Terran invincible.

T wouldn't survive the early game.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
April 05 2011 18:20 GMT
#3165
On April 06 2011 02:13 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
MKP is the new YellOw, the king of silvers, he's not gonna the championship, as usual. Great matches against MC. Now, we just need a Zerg to do the same...


he can't be the new yellow until he starts consistently losing to the same Terran player in the finals who is considered to be the top player of the game...
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
April 05 2011 18:21 GMT
#3166
Why are people arguing TvP micro and using entirely different scenarios to justify their claims?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 19:26:12
April 05 2011 18:24 GMT
#3167
On April 06 2011 03:21 HeroMystic wrote:
Why are people arguing TvP micro and using entirely different scenarios to justify their claims?


Do you not realize what forum you're on? Logical fallacies and poor evidence is the backbone of strategy debates on TL.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
April 05 2011 18:44 GMT
#3168
I'm a huge MC fanboy, but I'm SOOOOOO happy for MarineKing

^^ MKP baller hwaiting~~!!
SooYoung-Noona!
Mellon
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden917 Posts
April 05 2011 18:44 GMT
#3169
MC: All i know is that he's not that great a player.

Whats wrong with saying that? No offense but he aint as great as many other foreign players. And like mcc said, he can actually make a statement with him being wrong, could you ever see idra do that? Nope, he's to full of himself.
Gecko
Profile Joined August 2010
United States519 Posts
April 05 2011 18:47 GMT
#3170
On April 06 2011 03:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 03:21 HeroMystic wrote:
Why are people arguing TvP micro and using entirely different scenarios to justify their claims?


Do you not realize what forum you're on? Logical fallacies and poor evidence is the backbone of strategy debates on TL.


Haha, i wish this was not true.

I just finished watching this series, and MC definitely played disappointingly. His 1Gate FE in the Xel'naga game did not seem very optimal especially considering how MKP likes to 1base push. The push came at around 9:00 i think and MC just did not have anything but a gaggle of zealots, a couple stalkers, and all of 1 immortals. Pretty much all of his all-ins failed, and when he tried to play macro games he went a kinda greedy variation of a 1gate FE against someone who had cheesed him twice in a row in the same series T_T.

Also LOL at the people who are more interested in the drama than the actual gameplay
underdawg
Profile Joined January 2011
United States399 Posts
April 05 2011 18:47 GMT
#3171
is mkp going to be optimus if he wins this? marine king doesn't fit his playstyle quite as much anymore
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
April 05 2011 18:51 GMT
#3172
MC didn't turtle up like I expected, attack with less armies, bad position, less upgrade. Totally wrong
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
April 05 2011 18:53 GMT
#3173
Not a huge fan of MKP or MC, but I'm glad MKP served him a dose of humble pie.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
April 05 2011 18:53 GMT
#3174
On April 06 2011 03:47 Gecko wrote:
Xel'naga game did not seem very optimal especially considering how MKP likes to 1base push.


Obviously you don't watch many MKP games. He favors a 1 rax or some variation of FE over a 1 base push. Don't laughingly agree that arguments are bad here then immediately present your own falsehood.
zyglrox
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1168 Posts
April 05 2011 18:54 GMT
#3175
hopefully mkp will actually win this time.
champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends.
meep
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1699 Posts
April 05 2011 18:57 GMT
#3176
Hoping MKP takes it, but I still voted MVP on liquibets.
閑静 しずか (ノ・_・)ノ
Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
April 05 2011 18:57 GMT
#3177
On April 06 2011 02:37 dala wrote:
Terran has had a hard time lately, and now.... a TvT finals! How ironic.

Anyhow, those two round of 4 matches were sickly good. Especially MC vs MKP. As Artosis stated: "Nerd chills served!"


This reminds me of Fruitdealer in season 1 when zerg was hitting rock bottom.

He was the only zerg in ro8 and nobody expected him to win.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
April 05 2011 19:00 GMT
#3178
On April 06 2011 03:20 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 02:13 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
MKP is the new YellOw, the king of silvers, he's not gonna the championship, as usual. Great matches against MC. Now, we just need a Zerg to do the same...


he can't be the new yellow until he starts consistently losing to the same Terran player in the finals who is considered to be the top player of the game...

uh no, he has to win hardly anything important and get silver in everything else

stork never lost to "the same terran player who is considered the top player of the game" and yet he was considered the new king of silver
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Jager
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom140 Posts
April 05 2011 19:01 GMT
#3179
MKP the comeback kid
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
April 05 2011 19:04 GMT
#3180
Well i expected an MC 3-0 MKP but ..well i was shocked
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
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