EPTIGN Pro League Season one - Page 8
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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rocky13
Canada70 Posts
On April 05 2011 08:45 TotalBiscuit wrote: Non-players do not take the game seriously and play-by-play is what the majority of not only eSports but also real sports spectators watch for. The idea that analysis is the be-all and end-all of commentary is an attitude that exists almost exclusively on TL and nowhere else. If you want to bring in new people into the scene by exploiting a vast opportunity to market on one of the biggest gaming networks there is, you will use casters with proven mainstream appeal and the ability to pull big VoD numbers on a reliable basis. Sports would not be where it is today, the multi-billion dollar industry, without an army of millions of casual viewers. eSports will not grow without getting it's own casual army either. I see what your saying and I think that there is a place for casters with "proven mainstream appeal" if that's what you'd like to call it. However, looking at the list of casters, it is all people of the same type, with the exception of Painuser. I think that some balance is in order here. Without super analytical casters like Day9 for example (obv he's super busy and can't do every tournament) a tournament alienates a part of the potential audience. With so many tournaments out there and as a spectator having to choose between the one's that I want to watch (c'mon not everyone devotes their life to JUST watching sc2) I tend to make choices with the casters in mind. Not in a malicious way but I just want the time i spend watching sc2 to be as enjoyable as possible. Also, if TL's community cares about analysis then YOU should listen. TL represents the majority of the sc2 e-sports foreign community and it's opinion matters. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On April 05 2011 08:59 Thrill wrote: You can easily do it live with a delay, it's the commonday practice for League of Legends. Yeah, but how much of a delay would you need to make it feasible? Example: getting DTs. You'd have to delay at least 30 seconds. Then you have the problems of figuring out exactly what delay is perfect and exactly what isn't hampering the game all (e.g., a major tech switch that takes a few minutes). Too much of a delay just makes it so that you might as well just do it at a different time. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
players 6.5/10 map pool 10/10 casters 5.5/10 Overall 6.5/10 *Note: This is not an average* | ||
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halvorg
Norway717 Posts
On April 05 2011 08:57 mnofstl007 wrote: Dear people of the internet, You cannot have casted games, and show them live. If you cast games live on the internet as they are happening, the players (who are going to be playing from home) can just log on the stream and stare at exactly what their opponent is doing. "But they would never do such a thing!" LOL. Ok I challenge you to a live match where the winner gets 5-$100,000, and there will be a stream of the event as well as casters saying exactly what I am doing... YOU WOULD BE RETARDED to not get on that stream with another screen and take that insane amount of cash. That's your livelihood man. You have to stream replays because its the only way to battle the cheating that would take place. People cheated like this throughout the entire beta in live cast online tournaments. This is why they cant provide live matches, where money is involved. Thanks for your time, A person who is sick of this same complaint. justin.tv and Own3D are able to provide delays for their streams, several minutes long. Get real. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On April 05 2011 09:00 Doodsmack wrote: Has anyone called attention to the fact that 1) IGN sponsors ROOT, 2) Two members of ROOT's management, including its Managing Director, are consultants to IGN on the IGN Pro League, and 3) four ROOT players were selected for season 1? Isn't it worth doing so? Actually, I think this is a great point. I also point at the weight given to EG with 4 members. A selection process should probably be explained beyond "we asked some good people and some of them said no." | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
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Airship
United States465 Posts
On April 05 2011 09:00 Doodsmack wrote: Has anyone called attention to the fact that 1) IGN sponsors ROOT, 2) Two members of ROOT's management, including its Managing Director, are consultants to IGN on the IGN Pro League, and 3) four ROOT players were selected for season 1? Isn't it worth doing so? What are you trying to suggest? That it makes sense a bunch of ROOT players were invited? I agree. | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On April 05 2011 09:02 halvorg wrote: justin.tv and Own3D are able to provide delays for their streams, several minutes long. Get real. And my point stands: when can you call it acceptable? Even several minutes can alert a player to a hidden expansion or something. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On April 05 2011 08:59 Thrill wrote: You can easily do it live with a delay, it's the commonday practice for League of Legends. How long is the delay? Are we talking 2 mins or an hour. In SC2 you are revealing significant information about your build in the 3-7 minute marks. If its a delay of under a minute, this would not help in SC2. It would need to be a delay that ensure the games being casted were already over by the time the information was streamed. LoL is different in that its mostly a reaction game, where even getting info 30 seconds-2 minutes later is completely irrelevant information because you gain absolutely nothing, from hearing that they are trying to gank you 2 mins ago, by then you are already dead or safe. In SC2 hearing "oo double gas a little early.. and he is throwing down a starport" even 2 minutes later you will still have enough time to do some kind of preparation. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
On April 05 2011 09:00 Doodsmack wrote: Has anyone called attention to the fact that 1) IGN sponsors ROOT, 2) Two members of ROOT's management, including its Managing Director, are consultants to IGN on the IGN Pro League, and 3) four ROOT players were selected for season 1? Isn't it worth doing so? Don't start. Invitationals are never going to be fair. But the ROOT players (maybe except Minigun) have demonstrated that they are among top level this weekend. | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
ESPORTS! | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 05 2011 09:00 rocky13 wrote: I see what your saying and I think that there is a place for casters with "proven mainstream appeal" if that's what you'd like to call it. However, looking at the list of casters, it is all people of the same type, with the exception of Painuser. I think that some balance is in order here. Without super analytical casters like Day9 for example (obv he's super busy and can't do every tournament) a tournament alienates a part of the potential audience. With so many tournaments out there and as a spectator having to choose between the one's that I want to watch (c'mon not everyone devotes their life to JUST watching sc2) I tend to make choices with the casters in mind. Not in a malicious way but I just want the time i spend watching sc2 to be as enjoyable as possible. Also, if TL's community cares about analysis then YOU should listen. TL represents the majority of the sc2 e-sports foreign community and it's opinion matters. In viewer numbers it is not the mjority. And I as a TL user do not have a need for analytical casters all the time. Actually I think the casters are the best thing in this IGN announcement. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
No reason not to stream replays  Makes the league much easier, logistically, much more compatible with other leagues, and besides, King of the Beta and TSL are the hypest western-based SC tournaments of all time and they're cast from replays. | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
On April 05 2011 09:00 Doodsmack wrote: Has anyone called attention to the fact that 1) IGN sponsors ROOT, 2) Two members of ROOT's management, including its Managing Director, are consultants to IGN on the IGN Pro League, and 3) four ROOT players were selected for season 1? Isn't it worth doing so? This was a concern for us as well, and I don't want it to seem like we're trying to cover it up, I think we have been pretty up front with our association with ROOT. We looked at people who are very good players who can bring a lot of attention to the event could make our time schedules. We would not be doing this if we feel we could not be unbiased. I think having four ROOT members in the initial tournament is not abnormal, as all of them are great players with strong fan bases. In addition, IPL 1 has a relatively small prize pool and the IPL 2 and beyond will be based on qualifiers. I strongly feel that our ties to ROOT will not influence our decisions for the IPL. | ||
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
On April 05 2011 08:59 Thrill wrote: You can easily do it live with a delay, it's the commonday practice for League of Legends. You can also have a day like MLG Dallas 2011 where everything shit itself with lag and they have to postpone it. With replays they can delay shit but still make it on broadcast day | ||
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MrthePig
United States84 Posts
It is great to see that Ed and Alex are at the helm of this project and with their efforts E-Sports will continue to grow here in the west | ||
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edward.IGN
47 Posts
On April 05 2011 09:00 Doodsmack wrote: Has anyone called attention to the fact that 1) IGN sponsors ROOT, 2) Two members of ROOT's management, including its Managing Director, are consultants to IGN on the IGN Pro League, and 3) four ROOT players were selected for season 1? Isn't it worth doing so? IGN and ROOT are separate entities and are treated as so. Players were chosen by their accomplishments, widespread appeal and we were also looking for a wide representation, in that order. It meant more for the IGN eSports team to preserve the integrity and competitive nature of the tournament than to have 16 different teams represented. | ||
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