EPTTotalbiscuit is not idra he will not gain fans by stooping to arguments about how crap/good he is at casting in every thread where he is involved
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
Totalbiscuit is not idra he will not gain fans by stooping to arguments about how crap/good he is at casting in every thread where he is involved | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 12 2011 07:58 imbs wrote: i have noticed that tb consistently attacks credibility before arguments and will dismiss any post which is hard to counter before he addresses it. idk what hes thinking talking about business sense whilst his stream of insecure responses decrease perceived professionalism of this tournament; not to mention damage his own image and hire-ability for future events. We've heard this argument before and yet the doom-saying has never materialised. As for insecurity, it is exactly the opposite and it seems to me that standing one's ground when under attack should prove that. Totalbiscuit is not idra he will not gain fans by stooping to arguments about how crap/good he is at casting in every thread where he is involved I wonder, do folks in this community want casters and players to get involved in the discussion or not? You can't have it both ways, either you accept that a personality will get involved in the discussion or you'd prefer we all just stay aloof and away from it. Which is it to be? | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 07:54 jmbthirteen wrote: Yet the masses don't think he is bad. Hence why he is so popular and why IGN is paying him to commentate the IPL Yet the masses themselves are bad. They won't know bad when they see it, but they will know good. When they see good, they will then look at bad in a different way, and that's bad for IGN. Popular =/= good. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: I wonder, do folks in this community want casters and players to get involved in the discussion or not? You can't have it both ways, either you accept that a personality will get involved in the discussion or you'd prefer we all just stay aloof and away from it. Which is it to be? Not when the caster has no business being involved in the discussion in the first place. I said IGN, get better casters. Then you come with "wait no I'm good wtf are you talking about? You're wrong because thousands of people like me" response. Doesn't change the fact that I think you're bad for IGN. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:02 tehemperorer wrote: Yet the masses themselves are bad. They won't know bad when they see it, but they will know good. When they see good, they will then look at bad in a different way, and that's bad for IGN. Popular =/= good. Who are you to decide for "the masses" who to like and not to like? I enjoy TotalBiscuit's casting because it's witty, to-the-point and overall entertaining. Maybe you don't like his voice, think his jokes aren't funny or want a more in-depth analysis, which is fine, but please don't pretend that in doing so you're somehow morally superior to those who have a different opinion. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: We've heard this argument before and yet the doom-saying has never materialised. As for insecurity, it is exactly the opposite and it seems to me that standing one's ground when under attack should prove that. I wonder, do folks in this community want casters and players to get involved in the discussion or not? You can't have it both ways, either you accept that a personality will get involved in the discussion or you'd prefer we all just stay aloof and away from it. Which is it to be? You think posting in and only in threads about you counts as posting like a member of the community? besides dont put yourself on a pedestal, comparing yourself to valued posters like say jinro is kinda retarded. and btw with your admittedly amazing voice its ridiculous that you havent been offered any huge tournaments before now. | ||
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
Is it that hard to understand? TB is casting SC2 because he loves the game and loves to bring it to more people. His SC2 videos are his least viewed, yes, LEAST viewed videos on his channel. From an economical perspective, there is absolutely no reason for him to continue to cast at all. And regarding statements that he should speak to 'pros' to get better understanding, you don't know that he has daily contact with people such as Day[9], and that a lot of 'pros' consider him to be one of the better (yay for opinions) casters because they already know everything? And why did suddenly everyone welcome Khaldor's casting, seeing as his style is not far from TB's, and yet he casted in a completely different language that most people didn't even understand? Might it be because, I don't know, it was entertaining, and sports are supposed to be entertaining? On April 12 2011 08:02 tehemperorer wrote: Wow, good to generalize the entire community. Telling the majority that they're bad is certainly going to contribute to the growth of eSports, which is not only important for the sport as a whole, but also for the players so that they can live playing the game, not being forced to have a secondary occupation. Spewing crap over an entire generation is certainly a good way to make it better for the players.Yet the masses themselves are bad. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:04 Stijn wrote: Who are you to decide for "the masses" who to like and not to like? I enjoy TotalBiscuit's casting because it's witty, to-the-point and overall entertaining. Maybe you don't like his voice, think his jokes aren't funny or want a more in-depth analysis, which is fine, but please don't pretend that in doing so you're somehow morally superior to those who have a different opinion. You should watch more TV and less Starcraft. User was warned for this post | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:06 tehemperorer wrote: You should watch more TV and less Starcraft. Oh I get it, you're just trolling. The other option - that you actually believe that if I like TotalBiscuit's casting I am not entitled to watch Starcraft - is so ridiculous that I'd rather not believe it. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:06 Xacez wrote: Wow, good to generalize the entire community. Telling the majority that they're bad is certainly going to contribute to the growth of eSports, which is not only important for the sport as a whole, but also for the players so that they can live playing the game, not being forced to have a secondary occupation. Spewing crap over an entire generation is certainly a good way to make it better for the players. The majority know that they're bad, and aren't attempting to cast pro games. They have the decency to let players that play the game talk about the game. There are plenty of good casters that are good at the game as well, there's no need for casters that are only half of that. | ||
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On April 12 2011 07:54 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm sorry, but you don't get to go on a tirade and then claim you're providing valid criticism and not trolling. That's not how civilised discussion works. The reason your criticisms are not taken seriously is that you present them in the manner of a malicious little troll and there is no reason to respect anything you have to say. Do you get that you don't present yourself on forums in a remotely civil manner and your immediate reaction to anyone with a negative opinion of you is to dismiss them out of hand. Just because I use wry humour and a casual tone doesn't mean that my point is somehow invalid, you can't disregard everything on the basis that people just irrationally hate you because you're successful or whatever way you try to deal with it. In every one of these threads people bring up the glaring issues in your approach to SC2 casting, the lack of knowledge, the constant diversions towards things you personally find funny which to a large amount of viewers find tired and cheap plays on being british, the accent that doesn't sound like anyone i've ever met in my life or seen on television. Hell you even present the idea that football commentators are some golden standard that we should all look up to when they're some of the most overpaid and talentless people in the world as evidenced by the years of sketch shows and comedians taking the piss out of the stupid self evident shit they say. You can't keep trying to get on a high horse when you yourself help dig the hole. You can't disregard everyone based on some minor issue you manage to pick up in their post because they speak like a human and not diplomatbot5000. And honestly, no one would give a flying shit if you didn't keep getting these important gigs because of your celebrity, that you choose to take because you want to promote yourself, which may or may not be based on a warped idea of the amount of viewers you have that would actually watch SC2 content you present. But honestly I don't blame you for doing these things, I would if I was in your situation, what I wouldn't do however is stick my fingers in my ears and shout loudly any time anyone criticises me and refuse to actually work at the craft of commentating in any, way, shape or form. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:07 Stijn wrote: Oh I get it, you're just trolling. The other option - that you actually believe that if I like TotalBiscuit's casting I am not entitled to watch Starcraft - is so ridiculous that I'd rather not believe it. So the deal is you watch Starcraft because of TB, not because of Starcraft? See why I have complaints? I want a commentator who loves the game because they love the game to commentate in an IGN sponsored league. I don't want a commentator who seemingly loves the game because of what it does for them. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On April 12 2011 07:51 leakingpear wrote: I'm not trolling, i'm pointing out the absurdity of you calling everyone who brings up any negative point about your content a troll just because they don't align with your viewpoint. You do this in every single thread and never remotely accept any of the valid criticisms of anything you ever do. Please stop. Emperor's criticism isn't really constructive. Not at all, even. He's apparently incapable of grasping that casting only for an incredibly small niche (in this case the tl.net audience) would destroy any potential of Starcraft 2 growing as an e-sport (marketing 101: viewer count >>>>> caster's knowledge because a high viewer count = faster growing audience = more money from sponsors = growth). He's also completely incapable of distinguishing his own opinion from dry facts. He basically finds Mr. Totalbiscuit a bad caster, and therefore sees it as a fact that said caster is bad. That's kind of arrogant, even. Adjectives like bad, good, horrible, extraordinary etc. are all a matter of taste, not a matter of fact. There are no objective measures for things being good or bad, unless something is universally thought of as such. Even then we've only got "public opinion" and not "fact." A fact is something that can be rationally proven by means of rationally acquired evidence. Opinions are irrational because they stem from a person's own preference, which is generally emotional in nature. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:09 leakingpear wrote: Do you get that you don't present yourself on forums in a remotely civil manner and your immediate reaction to anyone with a negative opinion of you is to dismiss them out of hand. I'm sorry, I couldn't get any further down this particular tirade because of how astonishingly hypocritical this statement is. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Keep up the entertaining work sir! can't wait to see your casts in the coming weeks. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm sorry, I couldn't get any further down this particular tirade because of how astonishingly hypocritical this statement is. Hypocrisy isn't a reason to dismiss a valid argument, just FYI. Read the criticism and better yourself. You might see an increase in your viewership. | ||
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm sorry, I couldn't get any further down this particular tirade because of how astonishingly hypocritical this statement is. You don't get it, I'm not dismissing anyone, I'm perfectly accepting of people having points despite presenting them in a manner that implies they have some emotional investment in the subject they're talking about. And honestly when I make an entire post about disregarding stuff out of hand and you disregard something out of hand and call said poster a hypocrite, it's really one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. | ||
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sleigh bells
United States358 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm sorry, I couldn't get any further down this particular tirade because of how astonishingly hypocritical this statement is. How was that a tirade? | ||
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:09 tehemperorer wrote: So the deal is you watch Starcraft because of TB, not because of Starcraft? See why I have complaints? I want a commentator who loves the game because they love the game to commentate in an IGN sponsored league. I don't want a commentator who seemingly loves the game because of what it does for them. And there you just lose the entire argument, because TB casts the game because he loves it. Lets look back at the facts, shall we? Time used casting a game is similar to TB making another video that gives 2-3 times more income. So doing something not good for him is apparently good for him. You're contradicting facts. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:09 tehemperorer wrote: So the deal is you watch Starcraft because of TB, not because of Starcraft? See why I have complaints? No, I watch Starcraft because I think it's a cool game, to play as well as to watch! And TotalBiscuit talking about a match allows me to enjoy that match more than just watching a silent VOD or replay of it. There's casters I don't enjoy as much, just like you apparently don't enjoy TotalBiscuit, because they have a different style. To each his own, right? What's wrong with just agreeing to disagree on who's the better caster and leaving it at that? There's place enough for different tastes. | ||
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