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bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
April 09 2011 22:00 GMT
#581
TotalBiscuit is my favorite playbyplay commentator. Blows anyone else out of the water. Over 9000 words per minute. Reminds me of some premier league commentator tbh.
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
April 09 2011 23:47 GMT
#582
If you wanted to see the new videos in an all-in-one area, they are all listed (and viewable) here: http://www.ign.com/blogs/ign-alex/2011/04/09/ign-pro-league-releases-new-promo-and-interviews/
IGN eSports StarCraft 2 Division Manager
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
April 10 2011 20:23 GMT
#583
On April 10 2011 05:17 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 05:11 tehemperorer wrote:
Painuser is the only caster qualified to say anything related to Starcraft II. Get better casters.


Mike Tirico never played in the NBA or NFL, yet is one of ESPN's go to guys for broadcasting both league. Joe Buck never played in the NFL or MLB yet is FOX's go to guy. Yes they get paired with a former player or coach, but they are there for the play by play, which is what these casters will be doing. They are casters who need to explain sc2 to people who don't play it. They are guys you can use to introduce people to competitive sc2.

RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school. RTS not so much. They suck because they have no idea what they are saying, and most of the time they are actually wrong about what they say. If that's how you want to introduce people to an RTS, then you're in the right place.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 21:58:05
April 10 2011 21:49 GMT
#584
On April 11 2011 05:23 tehemperorer wrote:
RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school. RTS not so much.


Yes, nobody plays RTS outside of the professional arena and they definitely didn't play computer games at school.

Somehow I think the problem here isn't with the casters, it's with a few spectator's misguided view of things.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
April 11 2011 14:16 GMT
#585
uh the new videos aren't loading for me.
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
April 11 2011 15:30 GMT
#586
On April 11 2011 23:16 dtz wrote:
uh the new videos aren't loading for me.


My bet is that the videos hasn't completely arrived on the site yet. I think they'll be up soon.
Pokemon Master
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
April 11 2011 15:33 GMT
#587
We are transitioning them to a different server and they should be back up by noon!
IGN eSports StarCraft 2 Division Manager
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
April 11 2011 16:18 GMT
#588
Great to see TB as a commentator. Wasn't expecting that.

Hope the casters can develop synergy quickly.
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
April 11 2011 19:36 GMT
#589
Hey all, we're actually working on a different video delivery system so for those of you who saw the videos this weekend, consider it a sneak peek, we will be re-releasing these videos and many others as soon as our new content delivery system is up and running !
IGN eSports StarCraft 2 Division Manager
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 19:48:51
April 11 2011 19:48 GMT
#590
On April 11 2011 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:23 tehemperorer wrote:
RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school. RTS not so much.


Yes, nobody plays RTS outside of the professional arena and they definitely didn't play computer games at school.

Somehow I think the problem here isn't with the casters, it's with a few spectator's misguided view of things.

I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game. The problem is the origination of your perspective. In your case, watching is not playing and if you don't dedicate a significant amount of time playing in at least master's league, you cannot possibly make meaningful comments in the pro scene.

By the way, an RTS is not a FPS is not an RPG is not a TBSG is not a Sidescrolling Adventure etc. Don't feel bad though, if I were a caster I wouldn't think I was the problem either.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
edward.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
47 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 20:01:21
April 11 2011 19:57 GMT
#591
Hi, all, Edward checking in again - please keep the feedback and the questions coming, we want to really be able to address the community's concerns, big or small. With that said, it seems like there has been a lot of back and forth especially about our selection of casters, namely Mr. Biscuit. As people who mostly work in the background and closely with a lot of the big names, we can definitely say that John is a hell of a nice guy to work with, and great at what he does. Everyone's end goal is to bring eSports to mainstream, and I guarantee that TB will bring another piece of the viewer pie that hasn't experienced competitive StarCraft before. He's well respected by veterans in the industry and we stand behind him fully for this tournament.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 20:00:55
April 11 2011 19:58 GMT
#592
On April 12 2011 04:48 tehemperorer wrote:


I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game


So you think a high school quarterback does not really understand the game.But earlier you said

RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school


In response to a guy saying that some NFL commentators does not play in the NFL. So you think they probably play football although not in the pro level ( aka high school level) and thus that give them the legitimacy to cast football games.

Seems contradictory.
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
April 11 2011 20:20 GMT
#593
On April 12 2011 04:58 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 04:48 tehemperorer wrote:


Show nested quote +
I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game


So you think a high school quarterback does not really understand the game.But earlier you said

Show nested quote +
RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school


In response to a guy saying that some NFL commentators does not play in the NFL. So you think they probably play football although not in the pro level ( aka high school level) and thus that give them the legitimacy to cast football games.

Seems contradictory.

It might seem contradictory to you, but then again you didn't think too deeply about it before you posted, did you?
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 11 2011 20:28 GMT
#594
On April 12 2011 04:48 tehemperorer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:23 tehemperorer wrote:
RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school. RTS not so much.


Yes, nobody plays RTS outside of the professional arena and they definitely didn't play computer games at school.

Somehow I think the problem here isn't with the casters, it's with a few spectator's misguided view of things.

I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game. The problem is the origination of your perspective. In your case, watching is not playing and if you don't dedicate a significant amount of time playing in at least master's league, you cannot possibly make meaningful comments in the pro scene..


I do not need to make meaningful comments about the pro scene, that's the wonderful thing about being a play-by-play caster and an entertainer, not an analyst. It's as simple as that.

Hate to break it to you, but the game is not some fine wine that can be appreciated by only those with a distinguished and highly experienced pallete. It is a game that huge numbers of people enjoy on a very casual level because they like watching 2 obviously skilled players duke it out. The metagame is irrelevant to these viewers, predictions of what is going to happen in 7-8 minutes time do not matter. Basic surface level analysis and exciting play-by-play are all that is required for these people to enjoy the game and when it comes to the size of that crowd, they outnumber the hardcore fans. This is good and it's how it should be, just as casual sports fans outnumber hardcore sports fans and televised sport caters to them as a result.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
April 11 2011 20:36 GMT
#595
On April 10 2011 08:47 Alex.IGN wrote:
If you wanted to see the new videos in an all-in-one area, they are all listed (and viewable) here: http://www.ign.com/blogs/ign-alex/2011/04/09/ign-pro-league-releases-new-promo-and-interviews/


Whatcha lookin at?! Nothing to see here...
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
April 11 2011 20:53 GMT
#596
On April 12 2011 05:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 04:48 tehemperorer wrote:
On April 11 2011 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:23 tehemperorer wrote:
RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school. RTS not so much.


Yes, nobody plays RTS outside of the professional arena and they definitely didn't play computer games at school.

Somehow I think the problem here isn't with the casters, it's with a few spectator's misguided view of things.

I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game. The problem is the origination of your perspective. In your case, watching is not playing and if you don't dedicate a significant amount of time playing in at least master's league, you cannot possibly make meaningful comments in the pro scene..


I do not need to make meaningful comments about the pro scene, that's the wonderful thing about being a play-by-play caster and an entertainer, not an analyst. It's as simple as that.

Hate to break it to you, but the game is not some fine wine that can be appreciated by only those with a distinguished and highly experienced pallete. It is a game that huge numbers of people enjoy on a very casual level because they like watching 2 obviously skilled players duke it out. The metagame is irrelevant to these viewers, predictions of what is going to happen in 7-8 minutes time do not matter. Basic surface level analysis and exciting play-by-play are all that is required for these people to enjoy the game and when it comes to the size of that crowd, they outnumber the hardcore fans. This is good and it's how it should be, just as casual sports fans outnumber hardcore sports fans and televised sport caters to them as a result.

A few things:
1. You do not make meaningful comments, at least you admit it.
2. So the wonderful thing about being a caster is that you don't need to know anything about the game?
3. Knowledge of fine wines is what distinguishes a connoisseur and a drunk.
4. There are actually many viewers who want to hear the stuff which you claim "does not matter," you know, strategy and all that "irrelevant" stuff. I would point to the legions of Day[9] fans as an example.
5. There is no such thing of surface level analysis: Either you are discussing strategy or you are narrating exactly the same thing others are seeing. Most people don't need you to tell them there are now 3 marines on the screen, or that the Protoss player is expanding when they are watching the same game you are.
6. You are biased in believing that it "is good" and is "how it should be," because you benefit the most without putting in much actual work. You want to profit from the cash cow without ever having to milk it.

I don't expect you to spend months getting into masters league, but maybe if you spent time talking with the pros, understanding the reasons behind what they do, and getting a better understanding of the game past the concept of "hard counters" that you might have more ground to stand on with regards to your legitimacy as a caster and credibility as someone who has any reason to comment on Starcraft II. That's just me though
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 11 2011 20:57 GMT
#597
On April 12 2011 05:20 tehemperorer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 04:58 dtz wrote:
On April 12 2011 04:48 tehemperorer wrote:


I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game


So you think a high school quarterback does not really understand the game.But earlier you said

RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school


In response to a guy saying that some NFL commentators does not play in the NFL. So you think they probably play football although not in the pro level ( aka high school level) and thus that give them the legitimacy to cast football games.

Seems contradictory.

It might seem contradictory to you, but then again you didn't think too deeply about it before you posted, did you?


No it's just contradictory. And if you fail to recognize that, well I don't know what is going on in your head...

How is someone playing high school ball different than HD being a mid master league Zerg, or TB being silver (or is it platinum now?)? They have a basic understanding of how the game works in both cases and thats all you need. They understand the units and their abilities, just like a high school quarterback understands the tampa 2 defense.

RTS games are more accessible than hs sports because all you need is a copy of the game, you don't need to be a great athlete or anything. More people can play sc2 than can play hs football. How often do you even watch TB, HD and DJ Wheat? They all know the basics of the game and are able to read the games. They can provide plenty of analysis that will be needed for the average IGN viewer.
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tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
April 11 2011 21:08 GMT
#598
On April 12 2011 05:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 05:20 tehemperorer wrote:
On April 12 2011 04:58 dtz wrote:
On April 12 2011 04:48 tehemperorer wrote:


I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game


So you think a high school quarterback does not really understand the game.But earlier you said

RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school


In response to a guy saying that some NFL commentators does not play in the NFL. So you think they probably play football although not in the pro level ( aka high school level) and thus that give them the legitimacy to cast football games.

Seems contradictory.

It might seem contradictory to you, but then again you didn't think too deeply about it before you posted, did you?


No it's just contradictory. And if you fail to recognize that, well I don't know what is going on in your head...

How is someone playing high school ball different than HD being a mid master league Zerg, or TB being silver (or is it platinum now?)? They have a basic understanding of how the game works in both cases and thats all you need. They understand the units and their abilities, just like a high school quarterback understands the tampa 2 defense.

RTS games are more accessible than hs sports because all you need is a copy of the game, you don't need to be a great athlete or anything. More people can play sc2 than can play hs football. How often do you even watch TB, HD and DJ Wheat? They all know the basics of the game and are able to read the games. They can provide plenty of analysis that will be needed for the average IGN viewer.

Perhaps I can simplify it for you: You want a high school football player commenting on the NFL? Why is your opinion of the average IGN viewer so poor?

When you talk about the term "accessible," how do you mean it? I hope it's not "accessible" in that it comes up frequently in day to day conversations between even total strangers, because in that case professional sports trumps SC2 pro scene. In that case, professional sports is more accessible because you know how to speak English.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
April 11 2011 21:32 GMT
#599
JP and DJwheat are not experts and I bet they have said wrong things especially when not paired with an expert. How come they never get lots of complaints?
Innovation
Profile Joined February 2010
United States284 Posts
April 11 2011 21:42 GMT
#600
@ Tehemperorer

The amount of time you've invested here to make yourself sound smarter then everyone else could be better spent elsewhere. If you have an issue with totalbiscuit's commentary then I suggest you go out and get better at it then him and make money at it yourself. Here are the simple facts.

1. TotalBiscuit is an entertaining caster with many fans
2. TotalBiscuit is paid to cast major tournements because the community values his commentary.
3. The majority of SC2 fans are Bronze to Diamond and don't care about in-depth analysis during the game.
4. Most traditional sports casters also simply report whats going on the screen in an excited tone during a live game.
5. In-depth analysis generally occurs in non-live post game analysis which is completely different then what TotalBiscuit does.

Comments:

1. If you're that devoted to SC2 commentary go do it yourself and try to somehow be as entertaining as TotalBiscuit with as good game analysis as Day[9] and then come back....GL!
2. If you don't want to devote the time to do that....then you have no right to complain.
3. If you don't like TotalBiscuit's commentary then don't watch it!
4. If you're simply going to flame people who are more successfull then you in the SC2 scene then perhaps you might look inside yourself to see if it's just out of jealousy?
5. If it is jealousy then please see comment 1.
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