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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 10 2011 05:17 jmbthirteen wrote: Mike Tirico never played in the NBA or NFL, yet is one of ESPN's go to guys for broadcasting both league. Joe Buck never played in the NFL or MLB yet is FOX's go to guy. Yes they get paired with a former player or coach, but they are there for the play by play, which is what these casters will be doing. They are casters who need to explain sc2 to people who don't play it. They are guys you can use to introduce people to competitive sc2. RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school. RTS not so much. They suck because they have no idea what they are saying, and most of the time they are actually wrong about what they say. If that's how you want to introduce people to an RTS, then you're in the right place. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:23 tehemperorer wrote: RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school. RTS not so much. Yes, nobody plays RTS outside of the professional arena and they definitely didn't play computer games at school. Somehow I think the problem here isn't with the casters, it's with a few spectator's misguided view of things. | ||
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dtz
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
On April 11 2011 23:16 dtz wrote: uh the new videos aren't loading for me. My bet is that the videos hasn't completely arrived on the site yet. I think they'll be up soon. | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
Hope the casters can develop synergy quickly. | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yes, nobody plays RTS outside of the professional arena and they definitely didn't play computer games at school. Somehow I think the problem here isn't with the casters, it's with a few spectator's misguided view of things. I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game. The problem is the origination of your perspective. In your case, watching is not playing and if you don't dedicate a significant amount of time playing in at least master's league, you cannot possibly make meaningful comments in the pro scene. By the way, an RTS is not a FPS is not an RPG is not a TBSG is not a Sidescrolling Adventure etc. Don't feel bad though, if I were a caster I wouldn't think I was the problem either. | ||
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edward.IGN
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dtz
5834 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:48 tehemperorer wrote: I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game So you think a high school quarterback does not really understand the game.But earlier you said RTS games aren't as accessible as professional sports, so although they didn't play, they most likely played at some level in school In response to a guy saying that some NFL commentators does not play in the NFL. So you think they probably play football although not in the pro level ( aka high school level) and thus that give them the legitimacy to cast football games. Seems contradictory. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:58 dtz wrote: So you think a high school quarterback does not really understand the game.But earlier you said In response to a guy saying that some NFL commentators does not play in the NFL. So you think they probably play football although not in the pro level ( aka high school level) and thus that give them the legitimacy to cast football games. Seems contradictory. It might seem contradictory to you, but then again you didn't think too deeply about it before you posted, did you? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:48 tehemperorer wrote: I know you think you understand the game, just like the high school all-star quarterback thinks he understands the game. The problem is the origination of your perspective. In your case, watching is not playing and if you don't dedicate a significant amount of time playing in at least master's league, you cannot possibly make meaningful comments in the pro scene.. I do not need to make meaningful comments about the pro scene, that's the wonderful thing about being a play-by-play caster and an entertainer, not an analyst. It's as simple as that. Hate to break it to you, but the game is not some fine wine that can be appreciated by only those with a distinguished and highly experienced pallete. It is a game that huge numbers of people enjoy on a very casual level because they like watching 2 obviously skilled players duke it out. The metagame is irrelevant to these viewers, predictions of what is going to happen in 7-8 minutes time do not matter. Basic surface level analysis and exciting play-by-play are all that is required for these people to enjoy the game and when it comes to the size of that crowd, they outnumber the hardcore fans. This is good and it's how it should be, just as casual sports fans outnumber hardcore sports fans and televised sport caters to them as a result. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:47 Alex.IGN wrote: If you wanted to see the new videos in an all-in-one area, they are all listed (and viewable) here: http://www.ign.com/blogs/ign-alex/2011/04/09/ign-pro-league-releases-new-promo-and-interviews/ Whatcha lookin at?! Nothing to see here... | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:28 TotalBiscuit wrote: I do not need to make meaningful comments about the pro scene, that's the wonderful thing about being a play-by-play caster and an entertainer, not an analyst. It's as simple as that. Hate to break it to you, but the game is not some fine wine that can be appreciated by only those with a distinguished and highly experienced pallete. It is a game that huge numbers of people enjoy on a very casual level because they like watching 2 obviously skilled players duke it out. The metagame is irrelevant to these viewers, predictions of what is going to happen in 7-8 minutes time do not matter. Basic surface level analysis and exciting play-by-play are all that is required for these people to enjoy the game and when it comes to the size of that crowd, they outnumber the hardcore fans. This is good and it's how it should be, just as casual sports fans outnumber hardcore sports fans and televised sport caters to them as a result. A few things: 1. You do not make meaningful comments, at least you admit it. 2. So the wonderful thing about being a caster is that you don't need to know anything about the game? 3. Knowledge of fine wines is what distinguishes a connoisseur and a drunk. 4. There are actually many viewers who want to hear the stuff which you claim "does not matter," you know, strategy and all that "irrelevant" stuff. I would point to the legions of Day[9] fans as an example. 5. There is no such thing of surface level analysis: Either you are discussing strategy or you are narrating exactly the same thing others are seeing. Most people don't need you to tell them there are now 3 marines on the screen, or that the Protoss player is expanding when they are watching the same game you are. 6. You are biased in believing that it "is good" and is "how it should be," because you benefit the most without putting in much actual work. You want to profit from the cash cow without ever having to milk it. I don't expect you to spend months getting into masters league, but maybe if you spent time talking with the pros, understanding the reasons behind what they do, and getting a better understanding of the game past the concept of "hard counters" that you might have more ground to stand on with regards to your legitimacy as a caster and credibility as someone who has any reason to comment on Starcraft II. That's just me though | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:20 tehemperorer wrote: It might seem contradictory to you, but then again you didn't think too deeply about it before you posted, did you? No it's just contradictory. And if you fail to recognize that, well I don't know what is going on in your head... How is someone playing high school ball different than HD being a mid master league Zerg, or TB being silver (or is it platinum now?)? They have a basic understanding of how the game works in both cases and thats all you need. They understand the units and their abilities, just like a high school quarterback understands the tampa 2 defense. RTS games are more accessible than hs sports because all you need is a copy of the game, you don't need to be a great athlete or anything. More people can play sc2 than can play hs football. How often do you even watch TB, HD and DJ Wheat? They all know the basics of the game and are able to read the games. They can provide plenty of analysis that will be needed for the average IGN viewer. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 12 2011 05:57 jmbthirteen wrote: No it's just contradictory. And if you fail to recognize that, well I don't know what is going on in your head... How is someone playing high school ball different than HD being a mid master league Zerg, or TB being silver (or is it platinum now?)? They have a basic understanding of how the game works in both cases and thats all you need. They understand the units and their abilities, just like a high school quarterback understands the tampa 2 defense. RTS games are more accessible than hs sports because all you need is a copy of the game, you don't need to be a great athlete or anything. More people can play sc2 than can play hs football. How often do you even watch TB, HD and DJ Wheat? They all know the basics of the game and are able to read the games. They can provide plenty of analysis that will be needed for the average IGN viewer. Perhaps I can simplify it for you: You want a high school football player commenting on the NFL? Why is your opinion of the average IGN viewer so poor? When you talk about the term "accessible," how do you mean it? I hope it's not "accessible" in that it comes up frequently in day to day conversations between even total strangers, because in that case professional sports trumps SC2 pro scene. In that case, professional sports is more accessible because you know how to speak English. | ||
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coolcor
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Innovation
United States284 Posts
The amount of time you've invested here to make yourself sound smarter then everyone else could be better spent elsewhere. If you have an issue with totalbiscuit's commentary then I suggest you go out and get better at it then him and make money at it yourself. Here are the simple facts. 1. TotalBiscuit is an entertaining caster with many fans 2. TotalBiscuit is paid to cast major tournements because the community values his commentary. 3. The majority of SC2 fans are Bronze to Diamond and don't care about in-depth analysis during the game. 4. Most traditional sports casters also simply report whats going on the screen in an excited tone during a live game. 5. In-depth analysis generally occurs in non-live post game analysis which is completely different then what TotalBiscuit does. Comments: 1. If you're that devoted to SC2 commentary go do it yourself and try to somehow be as entertaining as TotalBiscuit with as good game analysis as Day[9] and then come back....GL! 2. If you don't want to devote the time to do that....then you have no right to complain. 3. If you don't like TotalBiscuit's commentary then don't watch it! 4. If you're simply going to flame people who are more successfull then you in the SC2 scene then perhaps you might look inside yourself to see if it's just out of jealousy? 5. If it is jealousy then please see comment 1. | ||
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