EPT[MLG] Dallas Day 2 - Page 555
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BuzZoo
Australia1468 Posts
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Pasado
United States142 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:32 Dingobloo wrote: Their incompetence is worse because they're doing it correctly and the venue just doesn't have enough bandwidth? Not sure what you're getting at here, I mean it sucks that they picked a venue with terrible internet, but I'm not sure how much they could do on their side to fix that right now. God forbid they plan ahead, or you know, test something. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:32 Dingobloo wrote: Their incompetence is worse because they're doing it correctly and the venue just doesn't have enough bandwidth? Not sure what you're getting at here, I mean it sucks that they picked a venue with terrible internet, but I'm not sure how much they could do on their side to fix that right now. Any chance in the future they'll split up the events to different weekends. | ||
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Asparagus
United States269 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:29 iDope wrote: I really don't understand the logic behind considering discussion about balance and what not to be warning/ban worthy but incessant whining about a persons use of cheesy strategies to WIN (last I heard people play tournaments to WIN and with minimal effort too if possible) being perfectly fine. I know many people hate Nani for his past issues and brand him as someone who doesnt do much except 4-gate but the "fact" of the matter is that he was good enough to tear his way through the Open bracket and also managed to beat (let me count that right) EVERYONE in the Pool play. He can use whatever percentage of 4-gates he wants as long as it is winning him games. And he certainly could not have gotten away with 4 gating everyone in pool play at least. So if 4-gate is the problem report it to Blizzard, don't complain about people using it too much. Personally I find KiwiKaki and Huk much more entertaining to watch than Nani but you cant say he is bad because he wins with the same BO so much. *sigh* nevermind. goodnight. | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:25 ffdestiny wrote: Oh lord, this made me realize that their incompetency is 100 times worse. You might be right  but this is usually a lot more complex than it looks.I assume they are using the hotel's bandwidth (which probably cost them several thousand dollars (potentially 10K+) for a 3 day event). It's pretty complex/even costlier to get an Internet drop brought in for a few days only. a) Maybe they didn't buy enough bandwidth from the hotel - That would definitely be MLG's bad b) Maybe they bought all the bandwidth available (probably a T3 - 45mbps) and that wasn't enough.. well hard to do much here.. Prioritize your usage! I've seen some hotel where the connection in the convention center was shared with the hotel rooms.. You could have some guy downloading porn in his room causing lag in a tournament! (I like to think the hotel's network here is better managed than that though!) c) Maybe they have enough bandwidth, but they still get lag?! Sometimes the hotel network (which you don't really control or have a choice to use to get the Internet is so bad - NATs after NATs/poorly configured hardware before you actually leave the convention center that you run into issues even if everything was planned correctly. You just show up a couple of days before the event, to a certain point you have to trust the convention center to provide you the reliable Internet you paid for... tl;dr - It can be very tricky to get reliable Internet at a convention center. (I've been involved in running large LANs in the US, so I've seen these issues come up) | ||
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BluePabs
United States317 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:29 Kettchup wrote: Also, this tournament system is horrible. It's hilarious that Incontrol has a top 6 spot locked up by beating Slush, Mihai and an absolutely-terrible-playing-TLO. Why on earth they would put the #1 open seed into the #1 pool group is baffling. You don't usually reward the top seed by giving them the hardest opponent. I like the tournament setup. If the streaming would have worked, which I think is the major reason for this setup, it would have been awesome. You only would have seen the top 16 seeded player games instead of big name players knocking out unknown players. It would have been way more enjoyable viewing during the first night and Saturday then normal. Plus from the open bracket it looks like the vast majority of better players advanced anyways. I'm in support of the setup just please figure out how to stream it. It's 2011...here's to the explosion of esports. | ||
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EddieStyle
Italy19 Posts
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Nosey
United States4 Posts
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:29 Kettchup wrote: Also, this tournament system is horrible. It's hilarious that Incontrol has a top 6 spot locked up by beating Slush, Mihai and an absolutely-terrible-playing-TLO. Why on earth they would put the #1 open seed into the #1 pool group is baffling. You don't usually reward the top seed by giving them the hardest opponent. I think the logic was the highest seeded player from the open bracket should be placed in the "easiest" group based on seeding. And the easiest group is usually whichever group had the 1st seed in it (because they try to match the easier players into that group to reward him). Yea it's a stupid system. What can you do. This entire tournament format is retarded. | ||
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Pasado
United States142 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:33 EddieStyle wrote: guys, where do i get vods or replays? i ve missed all of them yesterday http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-dallas-starcraft2-champ.html# Click on the more info button to get replays, not all are available. | ||
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iDope
Saudi Arabia223 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:29 Kettchup wrote: Also, this tournament system is horrible. It's hilarious that Incontrol has a top 6 spot locked up by beating Slush, Mihai and an absolutely-terrible-playing-TLO. Why on earth they would put the #1 open seed into the #1 pool group is baffling. You don't usually reward the top seed by giving them the hardest opponent. I totally second that, Kiwi against Nani??? How is that even fair to them. Anyway whoever is knocked down will just come back to the final again from the lower bracket. | ||
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EddieStyle
Italy19 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:34 Pasado wrote: http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-dallas-starcraft2-champ.html# Click on the more info button to get replays, not all are available. thanks | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:29 Kettchup wrote: Also, this tournament system is horrible. It's hilarious that Incontrol has a top 6 spot locked up by beating Slush, Mihai and an absolutely-terrible-playing-TLO. Also Painuser, but fair point, the number 1 seed from the open going into the hardest group was an interesting choice. | ||
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Souai
United States47 Posts
Sheth fights qxc -> Huk -> Haypro -> Idra Vibe fights PainUser -> Tyler -> TLO -> drewbie Moonan fights Agh -> Mihai -> Machine -> Slush Optikzero fights Gretorp -> Ret -> Socke -> SjoW Liquid gets one more than the minimum possible teamkill with five players down here, and we get the chance of a Huk v Idra rematch? Hopefully I sorted everything correctly, looks to be interesting. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:32 Dingobloo wrote: Their incompetence is worse because they're doing it correctly and the venue just doesn't have enough bandwidth? Not sure what you're getting at here, I mean it sucks that they picked a venue with terrible internet, but I'm not sure how much they could do on their side to fix that right now. I would say that, if true, yes, that is worse. Why? Because if they are streaming from the venue and it doesn't have quite enough bandwidth for all the viewers, that sucks. But they might not have expected that number of viewers and it is more difficult to stress-test that. However, if they are sending out only one stream, and that is bad enough to seriously lag the games, that is something that is easy to test and find out before. You don't need to simulate tens of thousands of viewers, you just need to run some games of Starcraft and send out a couple streams. Although, the fact that they were able to stream most of the day anyhow (not games, but they were streaming commentators from inside the venue) while playing games in the lower brackets makes me think this might not have been the problem. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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Gatsbi
United States1134 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:35 Dingobloo wrote: Also Painuser, but fair point, the number 1 seed from the open going into the hardest group was an interesting choice. He really gets a top 6 spot without having to play any big names? I guess TLO is a decently big name, but he hasn't done anything recently. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3482 Posts
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Souljah
United States423 Posts
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halvorg
Norway717 Posts
On April 03 2011 14:38 Gatsbi wrote: He really gets a top 6 spot without having to play any big names? I guess TLO is a decently big name, but he hasn't done anything recently. Yeah t_T I really hope iNc beats some good players tomorrow or this will be his "breakout performance". laughable to say the least. | ||
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