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On March 29 2011 22:08 nick1689 wrote:
What GOM needs to do next is a GIGANTIC world championships. Like from each region, start having preliminary tournies, top 8 from each region goes to Korea and competes in a massive championship
Then we can get behind our own countries as well, not just 'the world' (as fucking epic as that already is)
Just imagine the top players from each region coming together to duke it out? I came just from the thought of that :O
There is a tournament for this. It is cAlled WCG. Which is most prestigious tournament in esports
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under these circumstances
1. we didn't really bring the best of the best (though that's a bit hard to do atm with the foreigners being so streaky lately)
2. we had 4 zergs, roffles
3. july got a 4-kill
4. tosis made some arguable decisions that cost the team hard
we still almost got it !
and their champs played their best day2, so no excuses there baby
what more could you have asked for.
another great day for starcraft. it's amazing how such a criticized game (that i agree is quite inferior to its predecessor) can produce such amazing games -fuck that- amazing entertainment !
<3 the players, tl, starcraft, gom. fighting!
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really enjoyed how the match came all the way down to the ace match... congrats to + Show Spoiler + for taking it home!
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I am hoping for the VODs to get up soon. I want to rewatch that MC-Ra game right now. 
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"Coaching" decisions.
I think Artosis didn't really have that much say in the end, seemed like a pretty diplomatic process.
Morrow vs Anypro - First game is probably always hardest to pick, Morrow is fairly solid in all MUs and Tal'Darim is one of the bigger maps. Morrow plays TSL so probably has extensively practiced this map compared to others not in TSL.
Sen vs Anypro - Again Terminus. Big big map. Sen another solid player on all MU. Also in TSL for GSL maps.
TT1 vs San - TT1 seemed very confident with his 3 Stalker rush build. Jinro is weak vs P, two zergs used already. Also scrap station is Blizzard ladder map - no GSL/TSL map advantage.
Whitera vs MC - Whitera seemed to be MC sniper, MC seems to play very standard/scripted. Whitera heavy mindgamed (faked 4gate Zeal/Stalker/Probe push) and Warp Prisms are very underused in the metgame at the moment.
Huk vs July - Huk has said previously his best MU is PvZ, also no more protoss players left for PvP he was sent out. Jinro didn't want to play MVP and Dimaga was being saved for MVP. Xel'naga - one of the smaller maps in this pool probably influenced their decision to play Huk vs July instead of Moonglade.
Moonglade vs July - Moonglade was their only player left without major preferences. GSL Shakuras I think is cross position only so probably not a map Jinro wanted to play.
Jinro vs July - Rather then let Dimaga play and then possibly sniped by Nestea and have Jinro left vs Nestea and MVP. It was the better choice to hope Jinro could kill July then have MVP and Nestea versus Dimaga. Also Crevasse has the shared choke for Jinro's planned macro game.
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On March 29 2011 22:34 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:34 Zorgaz wrote:
Seriously 4 terrans in this. Not one of them won a single game.
Why does the terrans seem to falter in all the major tourneys?! Just check latest IEM or GSL...
The only place terrans seem to excel at is the top of the ladder xd.
Steady up Terrans. Show them the Metal Fist!
Sure i can enjoy ZvP, ZvZ and PvP, to some extent. But TvT is seriously the most entertaining mirror. And TvZ is my favorite matchup. Buy a ticket for the recent GSTL. Plenty of TvTs there - great ones, in fact.
Yea the recent GSTL terrans did just fine. Also IEM was chock full of qualified terrans to a ludicrous degree till they balanced it up somewhat by inviting asian based zergs and protoss (no asain based terrans were invited to IEM for that reason),
As for the last GSL it was the first final without a terran in it I wouldnt panic just yet.
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aww, too bad "we" couldn't take it home.
team world fighting!
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Gaddangit, I quit watching to work on work just as Dimaga gave the World team a flicker of a chance.
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On March 29 2011 22:32 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:26 HolyArrow wrote:On March 29 2011 22:26 HQuality wrote:On March 29 2011 22:25 edwrodrig wrote:
My Korea team :
-IMNestea
-IMMVP
-IMLosira
-Slayers_MMA
-Slayers_Alicia
-ST_Ace
-oGsMC
-oGsSupernova
word probably bomber or mkp instead of ace Ace doesn't impress me all that much TBH. I'd throw Bomber or Ryung in Ace's place. Unless Bomber was suffering from a serious case of nerves when Ryung played him, Bomber looked COMPLETELY outclassed by Ryung. I don't think that it was nerves. Bomber pulled out an INSANELY epic base race against MMA the match before, and Ryung came in and just crushed his soul. Maybe Bomber was tired? Either way, Ryung is SO impressive. If Mvp didn't surprise him with BC's, that game was Ryung's to win.
MVP had to cut a lot of tanks to get to BCs quicker, so it may have seem like Ryung was winning, but MVP planned had it planned out from the start.
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July is mvp of this friendly cup, 4 kills made Koreans win.
Dimaga is next mvp taking July and MVP.
Whitera next for pwning MC in sexy way, made him look like noob tbh.
TT1 for being underdog of that team but still pwn 2 players!
Sen for another 2 kills, very very good job in early stages!
Bad things:
Jinro and Huk played very bad, i think in next friendly cups like that we dont need GSL players in team world cause Koreans knows them very well.
Same for Moonglade - i think he was completly in wrong place.
Ultra bad things:
Battle.net 2.0 <- we dont need lan? Most epic game crushed by bnet
We nearly got it! AAAAAaaa :-)
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On March 29 2011 22:25 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:22 Vorenius wrote:On March 29 2011 22:15 Qaatar wrote:
Ryung and Min should replace San and July. I don't want to judge based on results, but off of playing ability from games. While I love July, he hasn't been impressive at all, and San is solid but not spectacularly good.
Ryung's TvT and TvP are both extremely solid, and Min is just a macro monster with a good head for strategy. Both just qualified for Code A, btw. I don't think half of the guys on this list could do that (although, a good amount of luck is involved due to the inherent volatility of the game). :D I call a troll on this one... Nope...stop looking at results and look at his playstyle. It's not sustainable, and unless he evolves, who knows? You honestly think I'm trolling when I just typed two paragraphs on WHY a couple of other Koreans have impressed me further? How about looking past one sentence? Edit: this is not an appeal to authority, but many other progamers have criticized July as well. They must all be jealous and/or trolling?
His playstyle isn't sustainable? He's played like this for years.
And idra =/= many progamers. He's just one angry zerg that dislikes every style but his own
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On March 29 2011 22:36 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:34 Zorgaz wrote:
Seriously 4 terrans in this. Not one of them won a single game.
Why does the terrans seem to falter in all the major tourneys?! Just check latest IEM or GSL...
The only place terrans seem to excel at is the top of the ladder xd.
Steady up Terrans. Show them the Metal Fist!
Sure i can enjoy ZvP, ZvZ and PvP, to some extent. But TvT is seriously the most entertaining mirror. And TvZ is my favorite matchup. Maybe Goody and Kas will change that perception for you...and watch out in the next GSL. The new wave of Terrans like MMA and Ryung will be crushing face.
Ye hopefully. Both Goody and Kas played good in the TSL. Although i didn't really feel they aced their matches. Still both won vs strong opponents. I was sure Kas was going to win though, he is such a sturdy terran.
Goody winning over Nestea was a big suprise. And you can see that Goody has a strong tactical mind, but Goody still needs to improve his mechanics. And it felt like Nestea made quite alot of mistakes.
Now to the Koreans, i haven't watched so much of the ''lesses known'' Koreans but i did see MMA's game vs Ret and man did he make that look easy. I guess I'm a idiot not having bough a ticket for the GSL TL. Maybe i will have to do that xd.
Anyway hoping for more awesome T rising in the future! :D
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On March 29 2011 22:39 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:32 Qaatar wrote:On March 29 2011 22:26 HolyArrow wrote:On March 29 2011 22:26 HQuality wrote:On March 29 2011 22:25 edwrodrig wrote:
My Korea team :
-IMNestea
-IMMVP
-IMLosira
-Slayers_MMA
-Slayers_Alicia
-ST_Ace
-oGsMC
-oGsSupernova
word probably bomber or mkp instead of ace Ace doesn't impress me all that much TBH. I'd throw Bomber or Ryung in Ace's place. Unless Bomber was suffering from a serious case of nerves when Ryung played him, Bomber looked COMPLETELY outclassed by Ryung. I don't think that it was nerves. Bomber pulled out an INSANELY epic base race against MMA the match before, and Ryung came in and just crushed his soul. Maybe Bomber was tired? Either way, Ryung is SO impressive. If Mvp didn't surprise him with BC's, that game was Ryung's to win. MVP had to cut a lot of tanks to get to BCs quicker, so it may have seem like Ryung was winning, but MVP planned had it planned out from the start.
Ryung was just taken by surprise by the new patch changes, which was a smart move on MVP's part. I have no doubt that Ryung will adjust to the new viable variable of BCs in the future. It just seems like the SlayerS players understand everything about the game so well and just make such good decisions, macro and micro. BoxeR working his magic ;D
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On March 29 2011 22:36 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:29 Piski wrote:
Some pro korean fans are complaining that this wasn't the best korean lineup. Yes I agree there was few players that was missing but the same goes for word allstar team. At least I would definately change few names there.
Tbh I don't even care how the result ended up. I just love the fact that it was such a great series and nobody can say that foreigners are a walkover. They have no reason to complain when a player most people wouldn't have put on their own list of top foreigners (TT1) won 2 games.
I agree that TT1 would have been one of my choices to remove from the list BUT he isn't the only one. HuK haven't really impressed my lately and players like Moonglade. I know they are gosu good but that's just my thoughts. So like I said the argument goes both ways.
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On March 29 2011 22:37 StUfF wrote:
"Coaching" decisions.
I think Artosis didn't really have that much say in the end, seemed like a pretty diplomatic process.
Morrow vs Anypro - First game is probably always hardest to pick, Morrow is fairly solid in all MUs and Tal'Darim is one of the bigger maps. Morrow plays TSL so probably has extensively practiced this map compared to others not in TSL.
Sen vs Anypro - Again Terminus. Big big map. Sen another solid player on all MU. Also in TSL for GSL maps.
TT1 vs San - TT1 seemed very confident with his 3 Stalker rush build. Jinro is weak vs P, two zergs used already. Also scrap station is Blizzard ladder map - no GSL/TSL map advantage.
Whitera vs MC - Whitera seemed to be MC sniper, MC seems to play very standard/scripted. Whitera heavy mindgamed (faked 4gate Zeal/Stalker/Probe push) and Warp Prisms are very underused in the metgame at the moment.
Huk vs July - Huk has said previously his best MU is PvZ, also no more protoss players left for PvP he was sent out. Jinro didn't want to play MVP and Dimaga was being saved for MVP. Xel'naga - one of the smaller maps in this pool probably influenced their decision to play Huk vs July instead of Moonglade.
Moonglade vs July - Moonglade was their only player left without major preferences. GSL Shakuras I think is cross position only so probably not a map Jinro wanted to play.
Jinro vs July - Rather then let Dimaga play and then possibly sniped by Nestea and have Jinro left vs Nestea and MVP. It was the better choice to hope Jinro could kill July then have MVP and Nestea versus Dimaga. Also Crevasse has the shared choke for Jinro's planned macro game.
Yeah I agree we shouldn't blame artosis for this. I'm pretty sure they had a plan as a team.
I agree pretty much with you other comments although I would have really liked to see Morrow against a terran. His ZvP often feels a bit desperate and his ZvZ is not really on par with the Korean Zergs. But considering how the race balanced was on the Korean team that might not have worked out.
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July is definitely the MVP of this tournament.
Would love to see some of the SlayerS guys.. Alicia is code S now, right?
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Dimaga, White-Ra +1
Huk,Moonglade,Jinro -1
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On March 29 2011 22:31 Rustug wrote:
It's a real buzz-kill to read that so many posters are sadly complaining about the players that were not selected for Korea, instead of cheering for the Korean team that actually won.
Whomever they would have selected could have won or could have lost. Same goes for the World Allstars. Last time I checked SC2 had not produced a Bonjwa (yet), so all you can say in my humble opinion: The Korean Team won, it was not a walkover and the World Allstars showed a solid performance.
StarCraft 2 Fighting!!
Well, I doubt it ever will be a bonjwa in Sc2, since the lowered mechanical skills needed, many games will be decided by strategy, build orders and coin flip situations at top level. And, with Terran perhaps about to reach the mechanical skill cap in Sc2 soon at pro level (and Protoss already reached it), only Zerg will be able to continue develop, while in BW no one from Z, T and P have yet reached the mech. skill level as of yet (or did.Flash almost go there for a while?)
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On March 29 2011 22:35 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:25 Qaatar wrote:On March 29 2011 22:22 Vorenius wrote:On March 29 2011 22:15 Qaatar wrote:
Ryung and Min should replace San and July. I don't want to judge based on results, but off of playing ability from games. While I love July, he hasn't been impressive at all, and San is solid but not spectacularly good.
Ryung's TvT and TvP are both extremely solid, and Min is just a macro monster with a good head for strategy. Both just qualified for Code A, btw. I don't think half of the guys on this list could do that (although, a good amount of luck is involved due to the inherent volatility of the game). :D I call a troll on this one... Nope...stop looking at results and look at his playstyle. It's not sustainable, and unless he evolves, who knows? You honestly think I'm trolling when I just typed two paragraphs on WHY a couple of other Koreans have impressed me further? How about looking past one sentence? Edit: this is not an appeal to authority, but many other progamers have criticized July as well. They must all be jealous and/or trolling? No matter his style, saying that he hasn't performed impressive given the opponents he's taken down and his 2nd place in GSL, is just silly. Maybe his style is gonna be figured out and he'll have to come up with soemthing new, but that is just as true for oGsMC as it is for July. Now if you have decided that MC hasn't impressed you either I guess you are just impossible to impress.
Yes it is, and that's why I still think Mvp, even given his struggles with P and his current form, still has the most raw mechanics and skill in the world (when it comes to SC2, of course). Doesn't mean that he won't get knocked out in he RO16 in Code A, either. :D
MC needs to expand his playstyle, or the metagame will leave him behind. Of course, I'm looking at all of this in a long-term perspective. I'm more interested in who will still be good one year from now - and while it's impossible to know such a thing, it's what I try to prognosticate and analyze when it comes to following players.
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Aw I missed it and looked up the results... I'll still watch the VODs, Team World fighting!
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