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On March 29 2011 22:23 ragingfungus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:16 thefreed wrote:On March 29 2011 22:08 dacthehork wrote: I think in overall strength Ukraine won this I am a korean living in the USA and I've never lost an arm wrestling match. I've won against Iranians, african/americans, and white people even when they were taller and a lot bigger bulkier then me. I've hung out with blood gangsters at one time and they thought they would win against me and when I won, they were shocked. I was 17 years old and those guys were in there 20s-30s. All these gangster guys think I am not that strong from my looks. I think I am gifted in arm strength... but people always think I would lose cause I am skinny/average and I am average height. This completely random post made me lol so hard. Wrong thread maybe? Haha 
Dunno what the crap that was all about but it made me laugh pretty hard
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On March 29 2011 22:15 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:10 Cranberries wrote: Best 8 Koreans (IMO):
Nestea MVP MC LosirA MMA July San Alicia Ryung and Min should replace San and July. I don't want to judge based on results, but off of playing ability from games. While I love July, he hasn't been impressive at all, and San is solid but not spectacularly good. Ryung's TvT and TvP are both extremely solid, and Min is just a macro monster with a good head for strategy. Both just qualified for Code A, btw. I don't think half of the guys on this list could do that (although, a good amount of luck is involved due to the inherent volatility of the game). :D
Please elaborate. Over the past month July has taken down MVP, Clide, Nada, Anypro, Whitera, Huk, Jinro, and Moonglade. Pretty impressive kill list if you ask me.
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My Korea team : -IMNestea -IMMVP -IMLosira -Slayers_MMA -Slayers_Alicia -ST_Bomber -oGsMC -oGsSupernova
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On March 29 2011 22:21 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:16 Bagonad wrote:On March 29 2011 22:10 gammAwolfa wrote:On March 29 2011 22:04 Sakkreth wrote: Ukraine actually could bring up a game for Korea. :D
Empire.Kas Dimaga White-Ra Strelok Snake
And probably some more whom I don't know. Definitely 2nd best country in sc2 after korea! Really well played by sen tt1 and dimaga, all of them could easily be code s.  I'd be so bold to say that Sweden would jump in as second. I'd be to bold to say that it doesn't make any sense to argue if one country is better than the other... Obviously korea has the biggest scene right now, and US has the second biggest by quite a bit. If you wanna argue what country has the better players at least set some kind of definition. You mean a best top4? top8? top1? :s No. Just take the winner from each big international tournament, and voila, a definition.
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On March 29 2011 22:21 Durp wrote: San was actually a good choice (if it had been chosen) given team World having 4 zergs.
His PvZ is absolutely BEAST: he's beaten NesTea and Sen without making a single colossus in either game, or winning with early pressure attacks. Reflect on the PvX matchup for a moment and take in how impressive that actually is. There are a lot of protoss players not making colossus at the moment just watch some of the recent TSL games.
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On March 29 2011 22:22 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:15 Qaatar wrote: Ryung and Min should replace San and July. I don't want to judge based on results, but off of playing ability from games. While I love July, he hasn't been impressive at all, and San is solid but not spectacularly good.
Ryung's TvT and TvP are both extremely solid, and Min is just a macro monster with a good head for strategy. Both just qualified for Code A, btw. I don't think half of the guys on this list could do that (although, a good amount of luck is involved due to the inherent volatility of the game). :D I call a troll on this one...
Nope...stop looking at results and look at his playstyle. It's not sustainable, and unless he evolves, who knows? You honestly think I'm trolling when I just typed two paragraphs on WHY a couple of other Koreans have impressed me further? How about looking past one sentence?
Edit: this is not an appeal to authority, but many other progamers have criticized July as well. They must all be jealous and/or trolling?
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On March 29 2011 22:21 Durp wrote: San was actually a good choice (if it had been chosen) given team World having 4 zergs.
His PvZ is absolutely BEAST: he's beaten NesTea and Sen without making a single colossus in either game, or winning with early pressure attacks. Reflect on the PvX matchup for a moment and take in how impressive that actually is.
Yeah, san did well. You gotta hand it to the guy.
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On March 29 2011 22:25 edwrodrig wrote: My Korea team : -IMNestea -IMMVP -IMLosira -Slayers_MMA -Slayers_Alicia -ST_Ace -oGsMC -oGsSupernova
How dare you not have Bomber in there!
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On March 29 2011 22:24 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:23 ragingfungus wrote:On March 29 2011 22:16 thefreed wrote:On March 29 2011 22:08 dacthehork wrote: I think in overall strength Ukraine won this I am a korean living in the USA and I've never lost an arm wrestling match. I've won against Iranians, african/americans, and white people even when they were taller and a lot bigger bulkier then me. I've hung out with blood gangsters at one time and they thought they would win against me and when I won, they were shocked. I was 17 years old and those guys were in there 20s-30s. All these gangster guys think I am not that strong from my looks. I think I am gifted in arm strength... but people always think I would lose cause I am skinny/average and I am average height. This completely random post made me lol so hard. Wrong thread maybe? Haha  Dunno what the crap that was all about but it made me laugh pretty hard probably about the suggestion that dimaga and nestea should duke it out in an armwrestling match to decide the series ;-)
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On March 29 2011 22:25 edwrodrig wrote: My Korea team : -IMNestea -IMMVP -IMLosira -Slayers_MMA -Slayers_Alicia -ST_Ace -oGsMC -oGsSupernova
word probably bomber or mkp instead of ace
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On March 29 2011 22:21 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:16 Bagonad wrote:On March 29 2011 22:10 gammAwolfa wrote:On March 29 2011 22:04 Sakkreth wrote: Ukraine actually could bring up a game for Korea. :D
Empire.Kas Dimaga White-Ra Strelok Snake
And probably some more whom I don't know. Definitely 2nd best country in sc2 after korea! Really well played by sen tt1 and dimaga, all of them could easily be code s.  I'd be so bold to say that Sweden would jump in as second. I'd be to bold to say that it doesn't make any sense to argue if one country is better than the other... Obviously korea has the biggest scene right now, and US has the second biggest by quite a bit. If you wanna argue what country has the better players at least set some kind of definition. You mean a best top4? top8? top1? :s
Actually US scene (players) aren't second in terms of skill. Canada, Sweden, Germany, Finland, Ukraine are all sky high in skill. US got NASL, right but US players aren't dominating anything yet.
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On March 29 2011 22:25 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:21 Durp wrote: San was actually a good choice (if it had been chosen) given team World having 4 zergs.
His PvZ is absolutely BEAST: he's beaten NesTea and Sen without making a single colossus in either game, or winning with early pressure attacks. Reflect on the PvX matchup for a moment and take in how impressive that actually is. There are a lot of protoss players not making colossus at the moment just watch some of the recent TSL games. Yes, but how many of them are beating NesTea and Sen? My point was moreso that he's doing it, effectively, against the best zergs the game has to offer. + Show Spoiler +carriers v Sen and archon toilet v Nestea? he wins for baller points alone
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On March 29 2011 22:26 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:25 edwrodrig wrote: My Korea team : -IMNestea -IMMVP -IMLosira -Slayers_MMA -Slayers_Alicia -ST_Ace -oGsMC -oGsSupernova
word probably bomber or mkp instead of ace Ace doesn't impress me all that much TBH. I'd throw Bomber or Ryung in Ace's place.
Unless Bomber was suffering from a serious case of nerves when Ryung played him, Bomber looked COMPLETELY outclassed by Ryung.
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On March 29 2011 22:17 nanoscorp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:15 Qaatar wrote:On March 29 2011 22:10 Cranberries wrote: Best 8 Koreans (IMO):
Nestea MVP MC LosirA MMA July San Alicia Ryung and Min should replace San and July. I don't want to judge based on results, but off of playing ability from games. While I love July, he hasn't been impressive at all... :D wait, what? Did you watch the matches today? July is great and perhaps most important, getting better every day. Yeah that was a stupid comment. July just got second in GSL beating a ton of top players and he was the by far best korean today. None of the guys he mentioned made anything that would earn you a spot like that.
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On March 29 2011 22:26 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:25 edwrodrig wrote: My Korea team : -IMNestea -IMMVP -IMLosira -Slayers_MMA -Slayers_Alicia -ST_Bomber -oGsMC -oGsSupernova
How dare you not have Bomber in there!
Fixed
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On March 29 2011 22:25 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:22 Vorenius wrote:On March 29 2011 22:15 Qaatar wrote: Ryung and Min should replace San and July. I don't want to judge based on results, but off of playing ability from games. While I love July, he hasn't been impressive at all, and San is solid but not spectacularly good.
Ryung's TvT and TvP are both extremely solid, and Min is just a macro monster with a good head for strategy. Both just qualified for Code A, btw. I don't think half of the guys on this list could do that (although, a good amount of luck is involved due to the inherent volatility of the game). :D I call a troll on this one... Nope...stop looking at results and look at his playstyle. It's not sustainable, and unless he evolves, who knows? You honestly think I'm trolling when I just typed two paragraphs on WHY a couple of other Koreans have impressed me further? How about looking past one sentence?
I dont know how you can say that July isnt evolving. Look at the build he used vs Huk, thats part of his new play style - and it was fucking insane. Could possibly alter the way Zergs play now
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On March 29 2011 22:24 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:22 dunc wrote:On March 29 2011 22:19 Zane wrote:On March 29 2011 22:14 dunc wrote:On March 29 2011 22:10 Cranberries wrote: Best 8 Koreans (IMO):
Nestea MVP MC LosirA MMA July San Alicia Don't understand why MKP isnt on that list when MVP is. They are both insane players slumping. MKP is still very talented and easily top5 in the world when he's in form. Anyway you will see tomorrow! MKP's unit control is slightly better, but MVP is superior in every other aspect IMO. I think MarineKing's decision making/micro are second to none though I agree mvp is superior in every other aspect. MarineKing knows this as well considering in the finals he didn't even seem to try. One 2-0 against Leenock was pretty much the only thing I saw out of MKP. MVP lost to some really good Protoss players, and he made up for it pretty well in the GSTL showing that he can play a very strong game against Tester and almost bringing it all back for IM against SlayerS.
Tester is by the worst Protoss in the GSL.. I honestly don't think that should be any indication. It still hurts my head when I think about the way he's been playing since s1 Did you watch his GSTL game? Both players played very beautifully. MVP also knocked out a couple other Protosses in the GSTL, though I forget which players.
I saw it and I thought it was a pretty good game yes, but compared to all the Protoss out there these days Tester is easily second/third tier. Same with Genius, who I've always been a fan of since he made macro Protoss work so well he has just not kept up with the newer players.
Keep in mind Tester has been on the cutting edge of PvX builds for a while. The now nerfed pylon/cannon block was his (thanks a lot, lol), and he was using colossi/phoenix PvT long before it was popular in the metagame (think back to some all-star tournament *name eludes me* where he won a great game vs Nada on LT)
Yeah he has done a lot for the race and is very inventive.. he's not always the best at performing them though. I loved him a lot in beta and he used to be very good but like I said above he just hasn't kept up with the newer players who are improving rapidly.
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My Korea team : -IMNestea -IMMVP -IMLosira -Slayers_MMA -ST_July -oGsMC -oGsSupernova
8th player either Zenio, MarineKing, Alicia, Tester or Bomber
€: My Foreign team: IdrA HuK Jinro White-Ra Dimaga Kas Sen
8th player either Socke, Naniwa, BratOK, MorroW or SjoW
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Some pro korean fans are complaining that this wasn't the best korean lineup. Yes I agree there was few players that was missing but the same goes for word allstar team. At least I would definately change few names there.
Tbh I don't even care how the result ended up. I just love the fact that it was such a great series and nobody can say that foreigners are a walkover.
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On March 29 2011 22:24 Qaatar wrote: Results don't mean everything, especially in this volative as fuck game.
At the end of the day, competitive e-sports is about results and prize money. Min hasn't earned a single won from individual play, so there is no point lumping him with the best until he does so. A player like HongUn qualifying for all five GSLs is much more impressive, especially when you consider the first three were opens and he had to go through qualifiers each time. Then he made at least Ro16 in the 2011 GSLs, avoiding the up-and-downs. That's about as consistent as you can get.
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