[GSL WC] Korea vs World (Day 1) - Page 290

underdawg

United States399 Posts

March 28 2011 22:57 GMT

#5781

On March 29 2011 07:40 worldchrisis wrote:
Did MC really say he lost in the TSL? Did he get confused with the FXOpen Invitational? Sorry if this has already been answered.

he's not that dumb man

udgnim

United States8024 Posts

March 28 2011 23:01 GMT

#5782

watched G2 between Anypro and Sen

Sen's response to 2 base 5 gate + Show Spoiler +

5 spine crawlers and all larva into zerglings

Idra's response to 2 base 6 gate + Show Spoiler +

turns 7 larva into drones

Clog

United States950 Posts

March 28 2011 23:01 GMT

#5783

Can't believe how much some are speculating over just a handful of games played recently between Koreans and foreigners.

It's a small sample size, and the meta game between servers is obviously going to be somewhat different. Just keep watching games, korean vs foreigner or not, and decide for yourself. You don't have to blindly assume players winning Bo1's, Bo3's, etc are better than their opponent.

KobeLobster

70 Posts

March 28 2011 23:05 GMT

#5784

On March 29 2011 08:01 udgnim wrote:
watched G2 between Anypro and Sen

Sen's response to 2 base 5 gate + Show Spoiler +

5 spine crawlers and all larva into zerglings

Idra's response to 2 base 6 gate + Show Spoiler +

turns 7 larva into drones

To be fair, Sen was going for muta's, hence the need for spines to defend 5/6gates, while idra was going roach ling, with speed/burrow upgrading if I recall correctly - which should be sufficient to defend if controlled properly.

Not defending idra for his blunder, just saying its different circumstances.

Gentso

United States2218 Posts

March 28 2011 23:05 GMT

#5785

Guys, there's a difference between not taking something serious completely and taking something serious while also having fun.

worldchrisis

United States45 Posts

March 28 2011 23:23 GMT

#5786

On March 29 2011 07:55 Tanatos wrote:

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He only metioned it as "one online tournament". I am sure he was refering FXOpen Invi.

Ok. I thought Tasteless said TSL when he was translating, but perhaps it was a mistranslation.

pieman819

Australia457 Posts

March 28 2011 23:23 GMT

#5787

On March 29 2011 08:05 KobeLobster wrote:

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If burrow was finnished Idra wouldn't have lost those 5 roaches to the forcefield trap without doing damage and probably could have held the push eventually with reinforcements.

StyLeD

United States2965 Posts

March 28 2011 23:52 GMT

#5788

On March 29 2011 08:05 KobeLobster wrote:

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Well, a problem Morrow and Idra had against their recent opponents in the GSL and TSL respectively is right when they scouted their opponents pushing with a 5-6 gate, they split half their drones and half their larvae.

This is questionable to me, since they're supposed to be progamers and play against 4-6 gates all the time....why not convert all larvae to units since their opponent is going all-in anyways?

cheesemaster

Canada1975 Posts

March 29 2011 00:10 GMT

#5789

Sooo did MC ruin the results for the TSL, when they were interviewing the players at the group picks the translation that tastless said was that mc said this "I lost to a foreigner in the TSL so i dont want to underistimate them" do you think hes already played the game for the next round and he spoiled the results? or do you think it was a mistranslation and he was talking about the FXOPEN?

raf3776

United States1904 Posts

March 29 2011 00:13 GMT

#5790

On March 29 2011 08:23 worldchrisis wrote:

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Ok. I thought Tasteless said TSL when he was translating, but perhaps it was a mistranslation.

Yeah hot bid or nazgul? one of those stated that he was talking about the FXOpen as TSL games werent played yet

kash2k

139 Posts

March 29 2011 00:14 GMT

#5791

Money or not, the result is gonna be there until next such event. And believe me next time the loosing team will take this tourney very serious.

emesen

United States256 Posts

March 29 2011 00:21 GMT

#5792

im more inclined to think they are seeing what the foreigners are capable of... they knew it was a two day event and the first day would end when the first team to hit 4 wins... save your heavy hitters for the end.

yawnoC

United States3704 Posts

March 29 2011 00:42 GMT

#5793

TT close 1 ... O_o'
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Fyrex

Canada102 Posts

March 29 2011 00:46 GMT

#5794

On March 29 2011 09:42 yawnoC wrote:
TT close 1 ... O_o'
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I laughed when that happened, poor TT1 =[
He learned his lesson when he won the second game lol.

Proko

United States1022 Posts

March 29 2011 01:07 GMT

#5795

I came to this thread to join in the rejoicing for our Foreign Player Heroes.

Instead I found people complaining about how SC2 isn't BW and complaining about all sorts of things.

The foreigners were supposed to get smashed and they played very well and won a bunch of games. It was exciting and they are awesome. I'm not saying foreigners have overtaken Korea or anything like that. What I am saying is that was great to watch. Way to win us some pride!

Ludwigvan

Germany2371 Posts

March 29 2011 01:14 GMT

#5796

I am kinda sad now. When I watched the games, I thought, both teams really wanted to win this. But there seems to be no money on the line and the games are more for entertainment. If I had only known before, I would have watched the games with a different mindset. It would still be big if we won, well...
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO team RestOfTheWorld!

Snaphoo

United States614 Posts

March 29 2011 01:15 GMT

#5797

On March 29 2011 09:13 raf3776 wrote:

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Yeah hot bid or nazgul? one of those stated that he was talking about the FXOpen as TSL games werent played yet

Also, I doubt he would tell MVP and NesTea "you need to practice more" in the interview after having already lost a game in TSL. Mostly likely referring to FXOpen Invitational.

luckybeni2

Germany1065 Posts

March 29 2011 01:18 GMT

#5798

On March 29 2011 07:06 Zck. wrote:
Slightly off-topic I guess but the Korean "dominance" seeming to be slipping, have we considered that most of these Koreans were never great in Brood War other than Nada, Boxer and July (sure im missing a few)? They were either barely on A-team or on B-team. Some like NesTea was just a 2v2er if I'm correct.

What if Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, Stork, and Fantasy would come over to sc2?

Nada was actually still decent. He left on a 3 game winstreak against good opponents(turn,Flying and Hiya). July pretty much did not play at all any more and he didn't practice very much (and he was not really at the top when he started sc2. He played very sloppy the first couple of sets). And in Sc2 the skill set of the more creative players is much more valuable than those of mechanical monsters. Stork would by far have the best style of those to go over. It is a different game and I think yo should stop saying x will be the best if he would come over. MC was never even remotely on the level of Nada or MVP even to the end of their BW carriers.

Logo2010

509 Posts

March 29 2011 01:26 GMT

#5799

On March 29 2011 07:18 Hierarch wrote:

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On March 29 2011 07:08 mprs wrote:

On March 29 2011 06:50 Hierarch wrote:
It honestly feels that the foreigner community is putting korean pro gamers on a pedestal. If the koreans lose in an online tournament than it's latency, "I mean no way koreans could lose to foreigners, just wait till it comes to a LAN setting". GSL World Championships comes along, "The koreans weren't trying, if this were BW then the koreans would dominate. SC2 is too easy blah blah blah..."

In the early stages of BW the skill gap between koreans and foreigners wasn't actually that bad because no one knew what the hell they were doing, relatively speaking. As the game progressed the koreans pulled ahead because of the amount they practiced, the culture surrounding the game and the opportunities for them. Same thing starts with SC2, the skill gap is quite close and if history repeats itself the koreans will eventually become these untouchable gosus that foreigners dream of beating. However foreigners have become proactive in keeping up this time around, the ROOT pro house, MLG/NASL/IGN PL/TSL all the sponsorships and exposure to the foreigner world, and players are practicing a ton more and understand what must be done to become top tier players. That understanding and execution wasn't present in BW and that's why the foreigners fell so far behind. Sure SC2 is a lot less mechanically demanding than BW, but is that really a bad thing? Should you have to play like a machine to be good at a "strategy" game? Is it really sooooo bad that a RTS becomes focused on strategy? This game is still developing and the foreigner community is developing right along side of it and gaining on the koreans in a new game.

Lets be honest though, with an actual tournament in two days time, for 27k, would you really use your new strats for a show match for free?

I'm not saying they were playing with one hand, but it isn't like they are giving 100%. its like 90% or 80%. Whatever it is, its not 100% .

Not to say the foreigners wouldn't have still won. I'm just saying. This is probably on both sides as well.

<3 with love

You're not saying that the foreigners wouldn't have won, you're just implying it by stating that the koreans weren't giving 100%. They didn't need to do new strats, but cmon NaDa doing a 1 base all in basically? Or Marine King doing basically a 2 base all in. They could easily have played safely and like so many people have stated "Since they are so much better than the foreigners they would have won a standard macro game." But the koreans made poor decisions on builds and strategies. The koreans didn't need to use anything amazingly new or unique, but standard macro play would have been better than gimmick builds.

I agree the builds they used kinda sucked. But Cella said at the beginning he wanted quick games and for it to be over quickly, which doesn't make sense in a competition. It was amusing and exciting when san or anypro (can't remember) went for carriers and had a long long game. Either way I think the Koreans should of given their all as a sign of respect for the competition.

CCa1ss1e

Canada3231 Posts

March 29 2011 01:28 GMT

#5800

Well I have to say, I've only watched the first match and I'm glad I watched the intro and everything. I laughed so much, seems like a lot of fun. Coachtosis, awesome. Love seeing all the players, GOMTV is great, glad the VODs are free too.

The interviews were so entertaining, even though I couldn't understand, haha. That Korean woman commentator is hilarious. I'm jealous of the archon!

XD

also: the Zerg music (right?) playing for the games is rockin', should always be the Zerg music.. seems appropriate :D

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