EPT[GSL WC] Korea vs World (Day 1) - Page 289
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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Zck.
United States19 Posts
What if Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, Stork, and Fantasy would come over to sc2? | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On March 29 2011 07:06 Zck. wrote: Slightly off-topic I guess but the Korean "dominance" seeming to be slipping, have we considered that most of these Koreans were never great in Brood War other than Nada, Boxer and July (sure im missing a few)? They were either barely on A-team or on B-team. Some like NesTea was just a 2v2er if I'm correct. Nada, Boxer and July were basically B-team status at the end of their careers. I think the highest A-Teamer was MVP followed by PuMa and SangHo. | ||
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On March 29 2011 06:50 Hierarch wrote: It honestly feels that the foreigner community is putting korean pro gamers on a pedestal. If the koreans lose in an online tournament than it's latency, "I mean no way koreans could lose to foreigners, just wait till it comes to a LAN setting". GSL World Championships comes along, "The koreans weren't trying, if this were BW then the koreans would dominate. SC2 is too easy blah blah blah..." In the early stages of BW the skill gap between koreans and foreigners wasn't actually that bad because no one knew what the hell they were doing, relatively speaking. As the game progressed the koreans pulled ahead because of the amount they practiced, the culture surrounding the game and the opportunities for them. Same thing starts with SC2, the skill gap is quite close and if history repeats itself the koreans will eventually become these untouchable gosus that foreigners dream of beating. However foreigners have become proactive in keeping up this time around, the ROOT pro house, MLG/NASL/IGN PL/TSL all the sponsorships and exposure to the foreigner world, and players are practicing a ton more and understand what must be done to become top tier players. That understanding and execution wasn't present in BW and that's why the foreigners fell so far behind. Sure SC2 is a lot less mechanically demanding than BW, but is that really a bad thing? Should you have to play like a machine to be good at a "strategy" game? Is it really sooooo bad that a RTS becomes focused on strategy? This game is still developing and the foreigner community is developing right along side of it and gaining on the koreans in a new game. Lets be honest though, with an actual tournament in two days time, for 27k, would you really use your new strats for a show match for free? I'm not saying they were playing with one hand, but it isn't like they are giving 100%. its like 90% or 80%. Whatever it is, its not 100% . Not to say the foreigners wouldn't have still won. I'm just saying. This is probably on both sides as well. <3 with love | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On March 29 2011 07:06 Zck. wrote: What if Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, Stork, and Fantasy would come over to sc2? MC down to code B lol | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On March 29 2011 06:59 Fyrex wrote: Regardless of how this showmatch does, I don't think any of these korean stars want to be seen losing to anyone. All questions will be answered in the real tournament. See here is the thing... now if they do win (which is obviously VERY possible) then people will just say... "SEE!! They weren't trying before... and they were lagging in the TSL... and they were Jet lagged at Dreamhack... and <enter more excuses>" when it will only be a few results. I just really find it annoying how people always try to find excuses because they are so busy putting Koreans up on a pedestal rather than giving credit to foreigners when they play well and win. Also, if they lose... I can guarantee you people will be saying "Oh, well TT1 just turtled up which is so it was a cheap strategy" or "Well MorroW just did an all in to win his matches... he would have gotten stomped otherwise." I'm not saying everyone will say something like that, but there will definitely be people making excuses on behalf of others to the grave. Hardly anyone (if anyone at all) is saying foreigners are on the same level as Koreans, but the point I am trying to make--as well as many others are--is that people should stop saying Koreans are way better every time... because that puts themselves and other people they convince in the mentality that if a Korean lost, it must be something that was out of their control. Good games should be the focus of high level matches... not balance, not lag, not whichever excuse. Honestly I wouldn't mind it here and there as it would seem more legitimate, but the amount of QQ in TSL3 has been a bit ridiculous, especially when you take a step back and simply look at who is playing in it. | ||
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Zevah
Argentina187 Posts
On March 28 2011 19:32 smallerk wrote: PROUD TO BE A FOREIGNER FUCK YEAH FUCK YEAH!!!!! Amazing play from Sen and TT1, Morrow also played nicely, things just didn't work out. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On March 29 2011 07:08 mprs wrote: Lets be honest though, with an actual tournament in two days time, for 27k, would you really use your new strats for a show match for free? I'm not saying they were playing with one hand, but it isn't like they are giving 100%. its like 90% or 80%. Whatever it is, its not 100% . Not to say the foreigners wouldn't have still won. I'm just saying. This is probably on both sides as well. <3 with love You're not saying that the foreigners wouldn't have won, you're just implying it by stating that the koreans weren't giving 100%. They didn't need to do new strats, but cmon NaDa doing a 1 base all in basically? Or Marine King doing basically a 2 base all in. They could easily have played safely and like so many people have stated "Since they are so much better than the foreigners they would have won a standard macro game." But the koreans made poor decisions on builds and strategies. The koreans didn't need to use anything amazingly new or unique, but standard macro play would have been better than gimmick builds. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 29 2011 07:19 mordk wrote: Hahahah hadn't noticed how unlucky Dimaga was in the bracket. Getting NesTea in a ZvZ is actually worse than getting MC. I think NesTea has never lost an official ZvZ game It's easily Dimaga's best match up too | ||
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teko
Canada1197 Posts
On March 29 2011 07:07 Grummler wrote: Now knowing why TT1 named himself TT1 i am totally gonna rename myself to QQ3 or soemthing liek that. Xeris: Your most known aka is TT1, have you used any other nicks before and what is the significance of TT1 ? TT1: When i was a newb I started off using TheYellow, then I joined a korean clan and used Pop.SenSe. I started using TT1 when I joined Shield on west and just kept it since then Xeris: What made you deicde on that name in particular ? Just something that you thought koreans would approve of ? TT1: Honestly I was pretty young when I made my nick; the reason was stupid.. I just wanted a nick that looked korean lol. I took TT because alot of kors used it and added a 1 to make it look original From: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=94907 Good thing he didn't use T_T instead. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On March 29 2011 07:19 mordk wrote: Hahahah hadn't noticed how unlucky Dimaga was in the bracket. Getting NesTea in a ZvZ is actually worse than getting MC. I think NesTea has never lost an official ZvZ game im not so sure, yet it is his most confident matchup, IMHO best foreign zvz vs best korean zvz. I preffer dimagas openings over idra/ret roach expands, depends on maps. | ||
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silentsaint
Germany540 Posts
On March 29 2011 06:41 Fyrex wrote: Im trying to find a point in your statement. The reason NaDa wasnt able to execute his all-in perfectly was because of TT1's cannon and great ability to nullify NaDa's banshee harass. Not because he wasn't taking it seriously. well that is exactly my point. People say he wasn't taking it seriously BECAUSE he did an all-in. But he is actually pretty good doing that so its not like he did something totally crazy or out of the ordinary here. He just lost because his game-plan did not work out against TT1 and not because he did not take it serious.. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
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worldchrisis
United States45 Posts
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pieman819
Australia457 Posts
On March 29 2011 07:39 TheButtonmen wrote: Rather then joining in the ever continuing Teamliquid.net bitch fest, I'm just going to say Thanks to the players for some great games, thanks to Gom for having this event and letting us watch it for free and I hope everyone using the free stream / VoDs has joined me in donating! Yeah big props to GOM for this, awesome setup and delivering some great games. The team games are making me super hyped for the individual tourney, would be epic if it gets down to a korean v world player in the finals. | ||
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
On March 29 2011 07:40 worldchrisis wrote: Did MC really say he lost in the TSL? Did he get confused with the FXOpen Invitational? Sorry if this has already been answered. He only metioned it as "one online tournament". I am sure he was refering FXOpen Invi. | ||
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