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On March 29 2011 06:19 JJH777 wrote:
Also I agree that the koreans weren't playing that seriously. Probably because they have specific builds prepared for the bracket tourney. I mean a mothership seriously? Though I still think tonight will have very different results even without them playing 'seriously'.
Also I should say that just because I don't think they are playing seriously doesn't mean I don't think the foreigners played extremely well and I should restate it. I don't think the koreans prepared like they do for the regular GSL where they prepare specific builds for every map for each match up. I think most of them are just relying on their fundamentals for this team thing.
Well, a mothership doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of seriousness, since San did that against Nestea in the last GSL. But the foreigners still agreed that they thought the Koreans weren't being too serious, so there were probably other indicators as well.
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On March 29 2011 06:11 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 06:03 GwSC wrote:Awesome thanks for the link. Some interesting stuff in there. At 17min, Sen says he thinks Forcefield is overpowered in PvZ. Sen's made that clear far before this interview.... Anyway, I don't have time to watch the entire interview right now, but why did Sen say the Koreans weren't playing seriously? Was Sen and the other world players just being really humble, or was there something about their play that indicated they weren't being serious? If it's true, it's pretty disappointing.... Maybe they want to throw off the foreigners for the actual 16-person tournament coming up, since that's worth money? Either way, it could very well be true, but I find it rather disappointing and a bit annoying that the foreigners think that the Koreans didn't play their best. However, I don't know the whole story. Maybe they see the showmatch as just a fun, friendly thing to mess around in - maybe they're not aware how badly many people on TL want to use the showmatch as a gauge for how well foreigners match up to Koreans, given the TSL controversy. It's pretty lame though. I remember when I'd beat opponents that I thought were very good in badminton during practice, only to hear from other people that my opponent wasn't really trying for one reason or another. 
Sen basically said that he feels that the Koreans didn't play seriously and the foreign team had a talk after the matches and all of them agreed that the Korean team wasn't trying to play their best.
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On March 29 2011 06:23 gruff wrote:
Wow so many excuses...
Watch the interview and listen to what our foreigners are saying instead of just posting dumb uninformed one-liners.
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On March 29 2011 06:23 gruff wrote:
Wow so many excuses...
No ones making excuses. Our own foreigners said the Koreans weren't taking this seriously. Idk if that's true or not but it intrigues me. I'm more curious whether the heavy hitters will bring the heat tomorrow.
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I have a critical question. Ive just started watching the vods. But it seems to me that the Korean commentators were on a green screen. This is most noticeable during the interviews.
Edit: looks like tasteless is green screened now too.
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On March 29 2011 06:23 Tarot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 06:11 HolyArrow wrote:On March 29 2011 06:03 GwSC wrote:Awesome thanks for the link. Some interesting stuff in there. At 17min, Sen says he thinks Forcefield is overpowered in PvZ. Sen's made that clear far before this interview.... Anyway, I don't have time to watch the entire interview right now, but why did Sen say the Koreans weren't playing seriously? Was Sen and the other world players just being really humble, or was there something about their play that indicated they weren't being serious? If it's true, it's pretty disappointing.... Maybe they want to throw off the foreigners for the actual 16-person tournament coming up, since that's worth money? Either way, it could very well be true, but I find it rather disappointing and a bit annoying that the foreigners think that the Koreans didn't play their best. However, I don't know the whole story. Maybe they see the showmatch as just a fun, friendly thing to mess around in - maybe they're not aware how badly many people on TL want to use the showmatch as a gauge for how well foreigners match up to Koreans, given the TSL controversy. It's pretty lame though. I remember when I'd beat opponents that I thought were very good in badminton during practice, only to hear from other people that my opponent wasn't really trying for one reason or another. Sen basically said that he feels that the Koreans didn't play seriously and the foreign team had a talk after the matches and all of them agreed that the Korean team wasn't trying to play their best.
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. It's just a bit disappointing, but I guess it's only a showmatch so many they wanted to relax and not stress too much over it. I don't know.
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the team part is just for pride?
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Making excuses as to why koreans lost is so pathetic both in TSL and and in this world championship
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I honestly agree with Sen's statement about them not playing seriously. You look at the NaDa and TT1 game and you wonder if NaDa is even trying to play. IMO the only one who looked like himself today was sans, and he was going skytoss and still won lol. IDK if they're trying to make it interesting, or if they just don't care, but they were def not themselves
Basically I look back at every game, and everytime a korean didn't do an all-in build and played a regular game, they won (anypro vs. morrow, sans vs. Sen). Also when a korean would lose he'd go back to the team and they would all be laughing and stuff, it was pretty funny to watch.
Either way, props to Fnatic for some good games, was especially impressed by Sen
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On March 29 2011 06:04 Alexj wrote:
So reading this thread makes my head hurt.
You're saying that Nada won 3 OSLs and 3 MSLs which means he is obviously more skilled
Then when people point out that he did obvious mechanical errors (losing first banshee, getting supply blocked, not expanding while toss can't leave his base), you say: oh, but he doesn't practice
So did Nada loose because the game is too random and "volatile" or because he did obvious errors and didn't practice enough?
I personally didn't see anything random in TT1's win. It wasn't even a BO win, as TT1 sinked 600 minerals into static defense and still lost a few probres and units. He was pinned to his base and Nada didn't bother to use it
It is common knowledge that NaDa has the potential to absolutely dominate the GSL; you don't earn the name Genius Terran for being terrible at the game; It has been said numerous amounts of times by other progamers and even NaDa himself that SC2 isn't his top priority because he has to focus on school. On SotG a while ago, IdrA said that if NaDa actually started to give a shit about the GSL who should win it.. This kid has maintained Code S consistently without dedicating near as much time to the sport as anyone else; that alone says something. From his play you can see has the ability but lacks the top tier decision making that comes with mass gaming and experience.
If he can't dedicate himself fully to the Code S competition, how much time will he be putting in for a GSL exhibition match?
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On March 29 2011 06:25 Gezuz wrote:
Making excuses as to why koreans lost is so pathetic both in TSL and and in this world championship
Well, the players believe the koreans are not playing seriously so....yeah
It makes sense. Again, why would the Korean team be in super serious mode in a team exhibition match when they have to play these same players for real money in a couple days?
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Even if koreans haven't been playing at his best, i dont think MC will let foreigners to take the tournament, he will do a reverse all-kill
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silly gsl, gotta put $ on the line to make it interesting!
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the fact Mc did not play kinda states the koreans were not doing all they could to win.
if i was cella i would have started with san. if san lost to a terran send in MVP if san loses to a zerg send in nestea and if san loses to a protos send out Mc.
nvm its a best of 15, so i guess Mc is still being saved for an ace.
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So what excuses are you all gonna use if the non koreans do well in the actual tournament with prestige and money on the line? The koreans still wont care to win a tournament just like the gsl just because some non koreans are in it? Hope a non korean makes it to the finals just to read all the hilarious excuses, lag, "dont care", whats next. "dude the koreans had a cold obviously why they lost idiots, they would own non koreans in full health without even trying."
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Absolutely fantastic. Every game was awesome but poor Morrow's, I can't wait to see the World team pull it out tomorrow against MC, MVP and Nestea!
And those brackets turned out sick, nobody can say they've got an easy matchup other than maybe Jinro and Nestea.
Edit: Wow a lot of defending the Koreans. I'll agree that we won't get a true measure of skill until the actual tourney, but they weren't playing to lose. They just lost, get over it, the World's team was owning it up hard.
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If their lives depended on winning those games I doubt we'd have seen San go for carriers or Nada a 1 base all-in.
No one wants to lose, least of all on TV but if, for example, you have a super secret strategy you've been saving you sure as hell aren't going to use it in a "for fun" showmatch days before you play a big money tournament against the same group of players.
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On March 29 2011 06:33 darkest44 wrote:
So what excuses are you all gonna use if the non koreans do well in the actual tournament with prestige and money on the line? The koreans still wont care to win a tournament just like the gsl just because some non koreans are in it? Hope a non korean makes it to the finals just to read all the hilarious excuses, lag, "dont care", whats next. "dude the koreans had a cold obviously why they lost idiots, they would own non koreans in full health without even trying."
well i didn't even think of this 'excuse' until the foreigner team said it
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On March 29 2011 06:33 darkest44 wrote:
So what excuses are you all gonna use if the non koreans do well in the actual tournament with prestige and money on the line? The koreans still wont care to win a tournament just like the gsl just because some non koreans are in it? Hope a non korean makes it to the finals just to read all the hilarious excuses, lag, "dont care", whats next. "dude the koreans had a cold obviously why they lost idiots, they would own non koreans in full health without even trying."
The difference is the excuses up to this point have mostly been legitimate. The 1v1 tournament coming up, where all the players are in the same room, will be the first chance to really see how foreigners match up with no outside influences.
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On March 29 2011 06:34 cuppatea wrote:
If their lives depended on winning those games I doubt we'd have seen San go for carriers or Nada a 1 base all-in.
No one wants to lose, least of all on TV but if, for example, you have a super secret strategy you've been saving you sure as hell aren't going to use it in a "for fun" showmatch days before you play a big money tournament against the same group of players.
wasn't NaDa known for being awesome at macroing but also being able to execute all-ins quite perfectly?
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