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Why dont Zerg spread the Zerglings to reduce the siegetank damage ?
Just send 3 lings to the front ... Just thinking ....
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"Balance whining will result in a ban"
"-Nothing is imba."
Can someone explain these things to me? Honestly I just don't understand things like this. What is the reasoning behind it?
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On March 28 2011 04:22 TheJoyBringer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:21 Telcontar wrote:On March 28 2011 04:20 Myles wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 Spiffeh wrote:
Idra's "BM" isn't really BM - he does it all the time.
It's more BM for a player who normally GG's to all of a sudden not GG.
Cruncher used this to his advantage by making Idra look like more a jerk. (in game 2, "glhfing" and not doing the same in game 1), (doing the smiley)...all uncharacteristic of his normal behavior.
Idra is being himself. Cruncher knows what he was doing is baiting a reaction, which is why I don't respect him. So because Idra is always BM its ok, but when someone else BM's because they were disrespected(you know, being called a walkover) it's not ok. It's hypocrisy, nothing else. Just stop arguing with IdrA fans. They'll try to reason in any way possible to keep IdrA up on a pedestal and villainise the other guy. Let it lie. I don't know dude, there's a difference between passive BM and aggressive BM. Not to mention, Cruncher in a sense lowered himself to IdrA's level... find it hard that anyone would praise Cruncher for that.
There's also a huge, overwhelming difference between bm frustration over losing and bm'ing somebody while knocking them out of a tourny.
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The first games yesterday had Resources (gas\supply\minerals) showing of both players up in the right corner at all times regardless of who was being targeted. But when first series was done or something it stopped yesterday, and its not there today either, anyone know why\please fix it?  it was really awesome to have.
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Cruncher could have kept his stupid mouth shut and right now we would be debating Cruncher's true skill level instead of his ability to type a smiley face. He just showed the immaturity of a 10 year old who just beat their big brother in super mario.
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On March 28 2011 04:21 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:19 stormtemplar wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 Pandain wrote:On March 28 2011 04:15 ComusLoM wrote:On March 28 2011 04:12 Roggay wrote:On March 28 2011 04:09 LittLeD wrote:
Cruncher completely outclassed IdrA. Fact is fact Or not, he abused sad things, we saw why IdrA is so much better in game 2. The map lends itself to such a drop, we've seen it quite a few times before. I don't think Cruncher was aware of it. The other two games really showed Cruncher's skills and understanding of the game. It really appeared superior to IdrA. Of course....let's take a look. Game 1: Idra is 50 supply ahead, only noticable mistake was not getting hive fast enough. Idra has 7 bases vs Cruncher's 3, Idra has creep spread all over the map, and Cruncher makes void rays, collusus, survives some pushes from Idra(which he couldn't really attack up the ramp anyway) and then attacks and wins. Definitely shows that Cruncher is better...... Note this isn't about balance, just saying that Zerg doesn't have the answer to voidray/collusus right now, even with infestors. Game 2: Idra completely outplays Cruncher with multi pronged attacks, 200 vs 100 food, 100 vs 50 food. Game 3: Cruncher 6 gates and wins, then bm's Idra after all inning. 6 gate is not all in. At all. I didn't really want to engage in this discussion but just a quick note. It can be all in if he commits to the attack and loses the army. If he plays smartly and doesn't lose the army/sentries then yea it's not all in. So can be non all in but it's far riskier than other builds if it fails.
The game is risky, you can't turtle forever without your opponent realizing it. An all-in is when you commit all your forces and workers to the attack with nothing left. What you think is an all-in is actually a strong timing attack.
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Why are this games played in 1.3 and CrunCher's games no???
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On March 28 2011 04:24 TemplarCo. wrote:
Why are this games played in 1.3 and CrunCher's games no???
They are replays. How is this not obvious?
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DAT hatch Scouting so gosu!
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On March 28 2011 04:23 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:23 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:22 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:21 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:19 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:19 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:17 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:16 MoonBear wrote:
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No gas from Kas. CC at inside nat from Kas. 4:15Kas with second rax. Both players now have their gas up. 5:00Triple rax from Kas now to block the ramp. 6:00Reactor on one of the rax, factory making. 3rd hat at inside nat for Haypro. 6:45Tech lab on first factory. Second factory going down. Correction: Tech Lab on the rax, not reactor. Baneline nest going down. 7:50Siege being researched. Lair started. 8:30Stim being researched. Kas kills the rocks at his front. OL sees techlab, but not what it's attached to before dying. Kas starts another CC in-base I think. Marine/tank move out. 10:00Kas using scans to kill creep tumours. Sieges up at hill overlooking ramp into Haypro's forward nat. Spire on the way for Haypro, bane speed as well. 11:30Ling flank and baneling front clean up the terran army at the nat ridge. Kas has another army made with 2 tanks and ~10 marines. Reactors on rax at Kas's main. 5 rax, 3 factory I think. Mutas now on the field. 13:00Kas sieges up in the middle.
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Haypro tries to expo but marines spot it and force cancel. Mutas go to inside nat and kill turrets and SCVs. They kill the making armoury.
Kas has inside expo as his 3rd up for a while incase I missed it. Haypro morphings banes.
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United States5162 Posts
On March 28 2011 04:22 TheJoyBringer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:21 Telcontar wrote:On March 28 2011 04:20 Myles wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 Spiffeh wrote:
Idra's "BM" isn't really BM - he does it all the time.
It's more BM for a player who normally GG's to all of a sudden not GG.
Cruncher used this to his advantage by making Idra look like more a jerk. (in game 2, "glhfing" and not doing the same in game 1), (doing the smiley)...all uncharacteristic of his normal behavior.
Idra is being himself. Cruncher knows what he was doing is baiting a reaction, which is why I don't respect him. So because Idra is always BM its ok, but when someone else BM's because they were disrespected(you know, being called a walkover) it's not ok. It's hypocrisy, nothing else. Just stop arguing with IdrA fans. They'll try to reason in any way possible to keep IdrA up on a pedestal and villainise the other guy. Let it lie. I don't know dude, there's a difference between passive BM and aggressive BM. Not to mention, Cruncher in a sense lowered himself to IdrA's level... find it hard that anyone would praise Cruncher for that.
I don't know if you would consider this praise, but I would say Idra deserved it. Also, Idra exhibits all forms of BM, so it's not exactly passive vs aggressive.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50605 Posts
On March 28 2011 04:22 TheJoyBringer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:21 Telcontar wrote:On March 28 2011 04:20 Myles wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 Spiffeh wrote:
Idra's "BM" isn't really BM - he does it all the time.
It's more BM for a player who normally GG's to all of a sudden not GG.
Cruncher used this to his advantage by making Idra look like more a jerk. (in game 2, "glhfing" and not doing the same in game 1), (doing the smiley)...all uncharacteristic of his normal behavior.
Idra is being himself. Cruncher knows what he was doing is baiting a reaction, which is why I don't respect him. So because Idra is always BM its ok, but when someone else BM's because they were disrespected(you know, being called a walkover) it's not ok. It's hypocrisy, nothing else. Just stop arguing with IdrA fans. They'll try to reason in any way possible to keep IdrA up on a pedestal and villainise the other guy. Let it lie. I don't know dude, there's a difference between passive BM and aggressive BM. Not to mention, Cruncher in a sense lowered himself to IdrA's level... find it hard that anyone would praise Cruncher for that.
A smiley face is not BM.I'm done with this topic
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On March 28 2011 04:24 TemplarCo. wrote:
Why are this games played in 1.3 and CrunCher's games no???
I suppose the players are given a range of time to finish the games. eg they must finish the games 1 week before scheduled broadcast time. Some people schedule it after 1.3 is out, some before.
luck of the draw.
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Only just tuned into this match, can someone tell me which patch this is playing on?
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On March 28 2011 04:18 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:05 sereniity wrote:
Game 1: Idra lets Cruncher build up a Deathball and gets 1a:d.... Second game, macro/micro game and cruncher gets COMPLETELY outclassed, showing that Idra is clearly the better player.
Game 3... six gate................
To top it all, Cruncher does a smileyface in the end.
I honestly think it's just pathetic, I guess Cruncher is really proud that he won with a six gate... If IdrA indeed is the better player he should not lose in a BO3
Lol what? Bo3 isn't a very good sample size for determining the better player.
Im sure i could beat a pro in a best of 3, with some luck and gimmicky builds. Though it wouldn't mean anything.
Had Idra just lost a best of 7 there would be almost no excuse. Though best of 3's do not always yield the better player.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On March 28 2011 04:24 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:23 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:23 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:22 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:21 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:19 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:19 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 MoonBear wrote:On March 28 2011 04:17 MoonBear wrote:
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Kas with second rax. Both players now have their gas up. 5:00Triple rax from Kas now to block the ramp. 6:00Reactor on one of the rax, factory making. 3rd hat at inside nat for Haypro. 6:45Tech lab on first factory. Second factory going down. Correction: Tech Lab on the rax, not reactor. Baneline nest going down. 7:50Siege being researched. Lair started. 8:30Stim being researched. Kas kills the rocks at his front. OL sees techlab, but not what it's attached to before dying. Kas starts another CC in-base I think. Marine/tank move out. 10:00Kas using scans to kill creep tumours. Sieges up at hill overlooking ramp into Haypro's forward nat. Spire on the way for Haypro, bane speed as well. 11:30Ling flank and baneling front clean up the terran army at the nat ridge. Kas has another army made with 2 tanks and ~10 marines. Reactors on rax at Kas's main. 5 rax, 3 factory I think. Mutas now on the field. 13:00Kas sieges up in the middle. 13:30Haypro tries to expo but marines spot it and force cancel. Mutas go to inside nat and kill turrets and SCVs. They kill the making armoury. Kas has inside expo as his 3rd up for a while incase I missed it. Haypro morphings banes.
15:20
Tank-Turrets in the middle. Mass of lings-banes being made.
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Since when did losing 2-1 convincingly make you the better player?
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On March 28 2011 04:23 ffdestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:21 Numy wrote:On March 28 2011 04:19 stormtemplar wrote:On March 28 2011 04:18 Pandain wrote:On March 28 2011 04:15 ComusLoM wrote:On March 28 2011 04:12 Roggay wrote:On March 28 2011 04:09 LittLeD wrote:
Cruncher completely outclassed IdrA. Fact is fact Or not, he abused sad things, we saw why IdrA is so much better in game 2. The map lends itself to such a drop, we've seen it quite a few times before. I don't think Cruncher was aware of it. The other two games really showed Cruncher's skills and understanding of the game. It really appeared superior to IdrA. Of course....let's take a look. Game 1: Idra is 50 supply ahead, only noticable mistake was not getting hive fast enough. Idra has 7 bases vs Cruncher's 3, Idra has creep spread all over the map, and Cruncher makes void rays, collusus, survives some pushes from Idra(which he couldn't really attack up the ramp anyway) and then attacks and wins. Definitely shows that Cruncher is better...... Note this isn't about balance, just saying that Zerg doesn't have the answer to voidray/collusus right now, even with infestors. Game 2: Idra completely outplays Cruncher with multi pronged attacks, 200 vs 100 food, 100 vs 50 food. Game 3: Cruncher 6 gates and wins, then bm's Idra after all inning. 6 gate is not all in. At all. I didn't really want to engage in this discussion but just a quick note. It can be all in if he commits to the attack and loses the army. If he plays smartly and doesn't lose the army/sentries then yea it's not all in. So can be non all in but it's far riskier than other builds if it fails. The game is risky, you can't turtle forever without your opponent realizing it. An all-in is when you commit all your forces and workers to the attack with nothing left. What you think is an all-in is actually a strong timing attack.
Ironically, Cruncher did turtle forever in game 1 and still won O.o
Troll face. I truly believe had game 1 been on 1.3 it would've gone differently, since IdrA could have had a more effective way to punish the mass voidrays.
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Idraaaa why again stop losing, be confident like mc
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