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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:08 abominable wrote: QFT. these best of 3's are 50% luck already, plus we've just had a spanking new patch with pretty big changes and the 'foreigner' styles are different to the korean style - so they're obviously not familiar with it. foreigners have always done pretty well against koreans in tournaments outside korea. look at the IEM and squirtle being smashed by socke. the GSL is a different story. i think the nerves really get to the homesick players. Thanks for pointing out IEM, where literally second tier Koreans swept the top three spots. Lol, foreigners never really did well against top tier Korean pros in tournaments outside Korea, unless lag really threw off the Koreans (or in the case of dreamhack, jetlag). | ||
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Me1234
Germany219 Posts
so I think its players on fault if he fails to prepare for that | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:15 Poopi wrote: &Hierarch : if you have ever played some online game with lags, you would know that there is no such thing as : yeaaah uuuh I lag so I just have to adapt and it'll be fine. Lags ruins all. I wouldn't even play while lagging (i habe experimented that in sc2 sometimes) cuz it's not even funny how that's not playable at all. But there is money so korean play, that's how it works. And I don't say Jinro is lying, I just say that since Jinro is Liquid he won't discredit this tournament, he says that there are lag issues but that koreans may not have adapted to it. Thing is that you can't adapt. And yes he has played from Korea, and guess what? He lost. Almost everyone who played from Korea lost, in both TSL/FXOpen. I don't want to discredit the players, I'm just saying that people shouldn't be like : ooooh people were so wrong, any foreigner that played in the GSL struggled a lot, every foreigners that were in IEM world got crushed by B-teamers, buut look foreigners crush every korean in some onoine tournament, they are so better than koreans ^^^^^^. But no. Believe me, or not, if you want, but results from lans tournaments speak enough. Sure I understand that it does make a difference, the only games I have played with lag are FPS such as Call of Duty, It can obviously affect me but I've played with my friends from EU and they're all on full bars of connection while I'm on half and after a couple games I adjust for the lag, sure I can't play as well as I would on my home server, but I can still play my game and almost as well as long as I adjust my play and practice. Also it's not like the foreigners played like utter crap and won only because of that, the foreigners played extremely well, the only argument against that could be the Goody series where he honestly didn't play that well, but to be fair neither did Nestea. On March 27 2011 11:19 chenchen wrote: Thanks for pointing out IEM, where literally second tier Koreans swept the top three spots. Lol, foreigners never really did well against top tier Korean pros in tournaments outside Korea, unless lag really threw off the Koreans (or in the case of dreamhack, jetlag). What's your point? They played well at IEM and some of the other players didn't play their best, ie: qxc. Also to say "second tier" is just stupid, I guess all those "second tier" players from the GSTL who beat all the "1st tier" players just got lucky or something... | ||
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AtrumX
United States17 Posts
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Mios
United States686 Posts
As good as TSL is, no LAN is holding it back. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:24 AtrumX wrote: How is the lag from Europe any different than the lag from Korea? It seems like most people here don't realize fiber cables run both East AND West. Korea and Europe have about the same distance to the US. I don't think this is the best place to learn about networking around the world... but to put it simply... it's not only a matter of distance... | ||
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chasmofcrisis
60 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
But how is the information being exchanged? Someone mentioned p2p or does all the info go through the bnet servers, which kinda wouldn't make sense because it would always be slower than p2p.. if it the case though the only explanation would be to design the game such that is harder pirate. If it does exchange in-game data between players via p2p then all the lag talk is nonsense. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:15 Poopi wrote: &Hierarch : if you have ever played some online game with lags, you would know that there is no such thing as : yeaaah uuuh I lag so I just have to adapt and it'll be fine. Lags ruins all. I wouldn't even play while lagging (i habe experimented that in sc2 sometimes) cuz it's not even funny how that's not playable at all. But there is money so korean play, that's how it works. And I don't say Jinro is lying, I just say that since Jinro is Liquid he won't discredit this tournament, he says that there are lag issues but that koreans may not have adapted to it. Thing is that you can't adapt. . So Jinro is not a liar per se, he's just lying because he has invested interests in TL uh? How comfortable 't was for all the fanboys when Koreans were winning -- the world is as it should be I guess --- but now that they started losing a few here and there, lag is used as an scapegoat for every lost game, since ALL Koreans after all, are invincible. How do you explain the lag effect then in Supernova's run in the FXOpen; he's not just winning, he's tearing up apart the competition .. it's not even close. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:31 s4life wrote: So Jinro is not a liar per se, he's just lying because he has invested interests in TL uh? How comfortable 't was for all the fanboys when Koreans were winning -- the world is as it should be I guess --- but now that they started losing a few here and there, lag is used as an scapegoat for every lose, since ALL Koreans after all, are invincible. How do you explain then Supernova's run in the FXOpen, he's not just winning, he's tearing up apart the competition .. it's not even close. How dare anyone call Jinro a liar! He can tell me the sun goes around the sun and i would believe him. Getting back to point, while lag is definitely an issue (as seen most clearly in the game 2 of genius in which HT stood next to the marines for 4 sec before storm started appearing and laying out ffs in slow motion), some player's play (IMmvp) just seem completely uninspired. I do feel a bit sry for the koreans, but lag is only partly to be blamed. btw, today TSL+FXO=awesome. Also dont forget Zenio, also looking very strong. Too bad that MC, MKP and Idra are all out. | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:31 s4life wrote: So Jinro is not a liar per se, he's just lying because he has invested interests in TL uh? How comfortable 't was for all the fanboys when Koreans were winning -- the world is as it should be I guess --- but now that they started losing a few here and there, lag is used as an scapegoat for every lost game, since ALL Koreans after all, are invincible. How do you explain the lag effect then in Supernova's run in the FXOpen; he's not just winning, he's tearing up apart the competition .. it's not even close. Well, Idra says Korea -> Usa is not so great (and is pretty bad) compared to Euro -> Usa (which is not that bad). Does this counter Jinro's statement equally!!?!?!? But seriously, there can be lag, and there might not be. We don't know, and if the players don't say then that's that. We'll just have to wait for GSL and NASL to see whether lag affected it much, now won't we? | ||
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Logo2010
509 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:08 abominable wrote: ... foreigners have always done pretty well against koreans in tournaments outside korea. look at the IEM and squirtle being smashed by socke. the GSL is a different story. i think the nerves really get to the homesick players. Uh what? Koreans took 1st 2nd and 3rd. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:17 s4life wrote: I asked oGsSupernova about the lag and he told he has absolutely no problems with it.. how come? On March 27 2011 11:31 s4life wrote: So Jinro is not a liar per se, he's just lying because he has invested interests in TL uh? How comfortable 't was for all the fanboys when Koreans were winning -- the world is as it should be I guess --- but now that they started losing a few here and there, lag is used as an scapegoat for every lost game, since ALL Koreans after all, are invincible. How do you explain the lag effect then in Supernova's run in the FXOpen; he's not just winning, he's tearing up apart the competition .. it's not even close. Not everyone is playing on the same computer and internet connection? I have a European friend who gets about 20-30ms on US servers for various games, but I get about 400ms on EU servers for various games. Just because 1 Korean doesn't have as much lag as all the others doesn't mean that they all don't. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:17 Vezex wrote: all this stuff about lag and koreans playing poorly even if its not 100% true, still going to be in the back of my mind when I'm watching also seeing adel 2-0 MVP just kills a lot of interest in it for me (not a balance complaint please don't ban me) Adel played very well, tbh. I just rewatched Adel vs. MVP Game 1, and it's a lesson in How to Use Blink Well and army movement. Yes, MVP made some mistakes; maybe some of them were due to lag. But Adel played well, and saying "oh, MVP just lost due to lag" takes away some well-deserved glory from Adel: he made excellent army movement choices, where to engage, when to engage, etc., and just beat the shit out of MVP's marine/marauder ball by forcing it to stim too much and outmaneuvering it. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:28 Mios wrote: As good as TSL is, no LAN is holding it back. We you expecting us to run ethernet cable from korea to germany ^^ ? | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On March 27 2011 11:44 HolyArrow wrote: Yeah, I'd rather cut all lag discussions short and wait just a little longer for the GSL World tournament. Then we'll get a far better measure of how foreigners fare. There is also dreamhack coming soon with MC, jinor, huk, and maybe more KR players. But i do like online tournament due to its randomness, im glad TSL was not like IEM where a second rate KR player tore through the top EU and NA players. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
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sYz-Adrenaline
United States1850 Posts
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