[NASL] Players (final) - Page 190

Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.

ChThoniC

United States536 Posts

March 30 2011 00:20 GMT

#3781

On March 30 2011 09:19 Flaunt wrote:
minigun is like 50% on the KOR ladder = =. he's not that great...

Bringing up ladder, especially win rate, is pointless in a discussion of best players. Especially on a server where they will experience a lot of latency.
I'm not a minigun fan at all, but this is terrible reasoning.

biskit

Australia355 Posts

March 30 2011 00:23 GMT

#3782

The list looks pretty good, better than I expected.

The management should not reply to trolls or flamers. They also need to appear more professionals. All in all, things seem to be going in the right direction

IndieFinch

United States124 Posts

March 30 2011 00:23 GMT

#3783

Great explanation. That seemed like the best way you guys could pick the 50 players.

Really excited for NASL to start. Still can't understand why people are getting upset...it is their first stab at this. GSL season 1 had the worst quality videos I have seen in the past 5 years online and I still shelled out the $20. Now look at GSL, amazing quality that couldn't have happened if people didn't pay the first two seasons.

Really excited to watch Morrow, White-Ra, and July. The only person I am sad about not seeing is Dimaga, but if he didn't finish the application then its no big deal.

Greenmansuit

United States17 Posts

March 30 2011 00:23 GMT

#3784

ALL the haters should unistall sc2 because your just making this community worse go play league of legends or something. I cant believe your complaining about people not getting chosen. THIS IS HUGE. Get excited!

Existential

Australia2107 Posts

March 30 2011 00:24 GMT

#3785

Thanks for the list. Lots of interesting players. I'm surprised Rainbow is participating actually.

Jayrod

1820 Posts

March 30 2011 00:25 GMT

#3786

On March 30 2011 09:19 Dramborleg wrote:

iNcontrol- Picking him for the league is a no brainer. If you honestly believe that iNcontrol doesnt deserve to be in the league than you need to stop trolling and start following e-sports more carefully. iNcontrol is easily in the middle of the pack. Not a bad place to be at all.

How is he a no-brainer over say... Nightend... who won a fking TSL Open qualifier. iNcontrol even talked about how incredibly difficult that is and how he couldnt qualify for TSL. Your league is only going to be as good as its weakest players... I dont think its out of line to question why there are 4 or 5 players significantly worse than players that weren't allowed in.

Ikuu

United Kingdom97 Posts

March 30 2011 00:26 GMT

#3787

On March 30 2011 09:19 Flaunt wrote:
minigun is like 50% on the KOR ladder = =. he's not that great...

IdrA has a 50% win rate on the Korean ladder.

guluru

United States83 Posts

March 30 2011 00:27 GMT

#3788

On March 30 2011 09:14 cuppatea wrote:

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lol, are you kidding? That reasoning is fucking stupid.

I'm not going to offer my "unconditional support" to everyone and everything that attaches the esports banner to their name, fuck that. They're running a business and, like any other business, if they want my money they've got to earn it. So far the NASL has been a disorganized mess at almost every juncture, so I'll be keeping my money in my pocket when the premium service opens up until I see SOMETHING to suggest these guys actually know what they're doing.

What I'd like to see is them taking the valid criticism on board (of which there's plenty) and using it to improve the product they're trying to sell. Unfortunately I see little evidence of this happening as much of the criticism that was sent their way after the disasterous Clash of the Titans showmatch remain as valid as ever.

How exactly would you say this is disorganized if you don't mind me asking. Everything seems to actually be organized.

The Clash of the Titans has been explained a million times so I wouldn't use that as a point.

DejaVoo

New Zealand20 Posts

March 30 2011 00:31 GMT

#3789

This tournament has one of the most amazing player lists ever. I can't wait for the division play to begin, each game is going to have such awesome talented players facing off. Also big fan of balancing the races as ZvZ and PvP can be quite boring a lot of the time. Is the NASL still starting on April 4th?

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

March 30 2011 00:32 GMT

#3790

On March 30 2011 09:07 Jayrod wrote:
Well overall the list of players looks okay. I think the guys that really dont seem to deserve spots over some of the guys that didnt get in would have to be:

iNcontrol
EG.Machine
Vibe
DDE
Stalife

INcontrol is at least a big part of the community but the other guys only claim to fame is being okay, or in Machine's case, being the worst player in EG

dde has won more tournaments than anyone in NA, in case you didn't really know, ViBE seemed to be a pick because they wanted a NA zerg.

On March 30 2011 09:23 Greenmansuit wrote:
ALL the haters should unistall sc2 because your just making this community worse go play league of legends or something. I cant believe your complaining about people not getting chosen. THIS IS HUGE. Get excited!

This is the blind optimism I was talking about, yes NASL will be huge but if they don't strive to make the best product it can be then there are inherent problems, you CAN criticize picks, but more importantly you can criticize the way things are run. THAT is how you help esports grow.

Your logic is just fucking awful, uninstall and play LoL? Fucking hell...

Mashes

Canada441 Posts

March 30 2011 00:32 GMT

#3791

coL.stalife fighting!

Sooji

United States121 Posts

March 30 2011 00:32 GMT

#3792

I was nearly jumping up and down after seeing the last five chosen for NASL. Excellent picks and definitely gets me hyped for this event. Seeing the clash of foreigner and korean styles is what I wanted from the NASL and we'll definitely get that with this line up.

Hopefully with tournaments like this, the globalization of sc2 can begin!

Rokk

United States425 Posts

March 30 2011 00:32 GMT

#3793

On March 30 2011 07:55 Minigun wrote:

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On March 30 2011 07:45 Bean54 wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:15 Minigun wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:09 Bean54 wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:00 Minigun wrote:
To those negatively critizing the nasl...

Does everyone realize how big e-sports can get in the NA if this booms?

It will be huge, it's getting huge as we speak.

It's a list of 50 people. Unfortunately that means not every top player can get it.

They need to make money off it as well. So not only do they invite top players, but people the community favorites.

If there are players that don't belong, then they will be weeded out pretty fast. They may have taken your favorite players spot, but there's always next season, and if they really deserve to be there, then they will probably be able to get through using the qualifier. I'm not sure how well I would have done if they through me in there now. I can't say I would be confident playing someone like ogsmc in a tournament. Although I would love the chance too (favorite protoss player <3)

Nasl is a business. I want to watch it grow. Am I little disappointed I didn't get in? Ofc..but will there be other chances to get in, other turnys (especially if the NASL takes off) ? Yes.

Starcraft 2 is so close to becoming huge in the NA. Instead of negatively criticizing one of the first businesses to actually try and expand E-sports in the west. Lets give it our unconditional support. Starcraft 2 can be huge, but only if the community supports it.

We all want it to succeed. However, if the business wants support from the community, it should do its best to represent and treat the community fairly as well.

People have valid criticisms of how their applications were handled that should be remedied rather than glanced over just because the business is hosting the tournament of a game we all love. Just because we want a e-sports to be big doesn't mean we turn a blind eye and give the NASL or any other tournament carte blanche to pick favorites and disregard hard-working and deserving players. The NASL depend on our viewership and the viewers should be heard (support AND criticism).

There will be problems and people felt like they were "wronged" in every tournament. It's just unavoidable for the most part. (I'm not saying anyone was or wasn't, staying out of that because it's not really my business.)

I think you are missing how extremely hard it would be for someone to pick 50 top players, out of koreans, eu, and na.

I would pull my hair out. It's IMPOSSIBLE to not leave people out.

I can think of a few iffy players on that list, but im keeping my opinion out of it. It doesn't matter if there are a few iffy players.

NASL are one of the first businesses to put themselves out there, and try and do something amazing for e-sports and starcraft 2.

I'm not going to not support them because someone I think was deserving didn't get in.

There's always the next tournament.

A perfect list would look 100% different for everyone.

Did people who deserved to get in not get in? Of course, that would have happened no matter who made the list. whether it was me, you, or someone who was completely unbiased.

Well see, it is your business because YOU were overlooked for as you call them, "iffy players." And that characterization, makes your opinion rather evident that you believe there are unqualified players or people that don't deserve to be there. AND YES IT DOES MATTER because legitimately good players LIKE YOURSELF are excluded and that matters to the viewers.

I understand your desire to get in future tournaments and thus the incentive to avoid confrontation with the NASL but you should let others speak and stop defending the NASL's choices when you should have been on that list.

We'll lets look at it this way from their viewpoint. I will use myself so I don't insult anyone.

-qualifications of rootminigun

-has no lan experience

-did not play sc1

-is a ladder whore ( -_- )

-has played in a small amount of online turnys

I usually place well in every turny, but that should motivate me to play more turnys, but for some reason I don't.

I can only blame myself for not being invited

Also, for the small amount of people hating on incontrol, please stop, he's a good player, and he's only trying to help e-sports. Please help him help us by supporting him.

Damn dude, major props to you. I'll be rooting for you in the qualifiers for season 2.

imareaver3

United States906 Posts

March 30 2011 00:33 GMT

#3794

On March 30 2011 09:25 Jayrod wrote:

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NightEND had visa issues. It's in the OP.

dde

Canada796 Posts

March 30 2011 00:34 GMT

#3795

i love you Zlasher =)

Dommk

Australia4865 Posts

March 30 2011 00:34 GMT

#3796

On March 30 2011 09:32 Zlasher wrote:

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dde has won more tournaments than anyone in NA, in case you didn't really know, ViBE seemed to be a pick because they wanted a NA zerg.

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By "More tournaments" do you mean those relatively inhouse tournament like Reddit Open? Because I haven't seen DDE place better than Minigun in any big Tournament

EDIT:

Why Minigun didn't get chosen: (from the OP)

Minigun: This was a difficult pick, however, due to our attempt to balance by race and region, we only had room for one more Protoss. We essentially made a judgment call between two very very good players; and chose Cruncher over Minigun.

Bart

494 Posts

March 30 2011 00:36 GMT

#3797

On March 30 2011 08:35 densha wrote:

... the manipulation of groups to force WWE style drama...

I found this part to be hilarious because its true!

Incontrol is Vince McMahon (the person in charge :D)
Idra is Stone Cold Steve Austin (Stone cold yeah!)
MC is The Rock (arrogant to the max but everybody loved him)
Artosis is Mick Foley (cos of the video of Mick cheering Artosis on)

Only thing missing is entrance music for the individual players when they introduce them at the start of the game.

Rokk

United States425 Posts

March 30 2011 00:37 GMT

#3798

On March 30 2011 08:05 NightEnD wrote:

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On March 30 2011 07:58 Chicane wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:54 NightEnD wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:44 Xeris wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:

On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time.

I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street.

The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager.

I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS.

We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list.

So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility.

So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap

?? You've never demonstrated that you had one by attending an event in the US, and when we spoke, you didn't have one... I'm not going to argue with you any more. I'm sorry that I didn't specifically tell you before that you needed a VISA. I hope you will qualify for Season 2 or win the Open Tournament.

yes man is my foult for not assuming somthing u already assumed

I am not saying the NASL handled the situation well, or that you didn't get screwed over... but it seems like you are taking absolutely no responsibility for yourself.

Did you know that you would have to travel to the US for this tournament if you made it far? Yes.

Does traveling to the US require a VISA? Yes.

Would it have been a good idea for you or your management to ask about it (since you knew you would need it if you were to play well)? Yes.

Once again, I am not saying they handled it well... but come on. You guys could have also taken the initiative to ask some questions about the league.

When xiris aproched me i asked him if i have to move to US to play NASL and he said no only top 16 have to come in US .. so why would i think about visa when he said top 16 and why didnt he told me that i need a visa ...u guys just missing one point its not about the visa... do u really think the koreans for example proved nasl they can take visa ? or the europeans ? :D like me they didnt even know about the visa thing only if they werent told do u think all 50 assumed that they need a visa and said lets ask nasl mb they need us to prove we can take a visa so we have to be sure we get it? ofc not .. if i was playing for mouz fnatic sk etc im sure i would not have this kind of problem atm

You don't have to move permanently just to play, but he told you that the top 16 had to be able to come to the US. That should clue you in on the fact that you need to show him that you can come to the US in the event that you would place top 16.

At this point I feel you're placing all the blame on them when it's clear you or your manager should have approached them about any questions or concerns. You said before that you weren't invited to some things because of the laws in your country, so why didn't you talk to Xeris directly about those laws to clear up any confusion?

Stop complaining, take responsibility for some of your own mistakes in this handling, and clear everything up so you can try to qualify for season 2 like everyone else that didn't get accepted.

Icx

Belgium853 Posts

March 30 2011 00:39 GMT

#3799

It's actually sick, the whole list consists of players who one for one all deserve to be in it.
But then at the same time, there are just a ton of people who also deserve to be in there.
it goes to show what a sick pool of really great players there actually are.

It must have been really hard to actually make the decision on some of the players, to bad that people are giving the NASL such a hard time for some of the decisions, since any list of people they could come up with would just be based on their personal opinion and would probably have a good number of players who can't play anyway (focusing on GSL/no visa/ just no time to play in it/etc).

I am sad that Dimaga isn't in there, but I understand that the NASL has to follow their own rules, and they can't make exceptions for certain players, and it's up to the players to make sure their application is complete.

Anyway, I hope the NASL can work out some of the things that went wrong during the idra-jinro showmatch, and if they do, this is gonna be such a sick tournament.

And I am glad they decided to put in some koreans, if there is one thing fun to watch it's korea vs foreigners, the GSL WC was a good example of that, I have never been so on the edge of my seat during a sc2 game as yesterday.

Rayansaki

Portugal1266 Posts

March 30 2011 00:44 GMT

#3800

On March 30 2011 09:32 Zlasher wrote:
dde has won more tournaments than anyone in NA, in case you didn't really know, ViBE seemed to be a pick because they wanted a NA zerg.

Why pick ViBE over Destiny as last NA zerg then?. Destiny has a WAY bigger fan following (1000 to 1 big), his application video was probably on par or better than MoMaN's (better in my opinion), and he has shown amazing promise and brutal improvement since joining ROOT.

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