EPTOther than invincible marine behind the building bunker, I enjoyed every game today. Sad HuK got knocked out to proxy, but it's his own fault lol.
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
Other than invincible marine behind the building bunker, I enjoyed every game today. Sad HuK got knocked out to proxy, but it's his own fault lol. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On March 21 2011 06:53 Firkraag8 wrote: MorroW scouts fast expand and deals with it appropriately, shouldn't he have? I don't see what the problem is. The problem is that the same people enjoy yelling imbalance every game. The same fanboys enjoy making up excuses for their idols when they lose. It's an endless argument. | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
Best best way for Jinro to have defended at that point was get up a factory as soon as possible and start making hellions. He might have two out when the bust hit and if he can micro them really well (getting lots of splash in as units filter through the choke) then he can probably hold. He also has a chance to hold if he doesn't let 10-15 scvs get hit by a baneling clump. Suicide one or two scvs at a time to kill of individual banelings and when the banelings are gone using your scvs to buffer the marines. Very hard yes, impossible no. | ||
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ReacH.
Scotland333 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:09 Mackh wrote: They are no more games planned, only a bunch of useless so-called pro+ Show Spoiler + cheesers Mc wins because he knows 2 things that no other player left in the tournament knows how to - he knows how to change his playstyle once in a while - he knows how to maccro. Next time invite some real maccro player thx Totally agree, I still can't believe they invited ActionJesus over IdrA. Wait a second... | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
Please don't start that one up again lol... | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
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RevRich
United States218 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
The question is should Starcraft 2 as a competitive E-Sport have that particular element. Regardless, I think it is here to stay. | ||
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gamefan15
50 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:03 mastergriggy wrote: Do you understand what Day9 means by the statement? Bad players can't keep up in macro with good players. So they do all-ins and cheese every game since that is the only way they can win., compared to a good player who is willing to play it out. Throwing in an all in every once and a while is a strategy choice, but if it is the only thing you rely on (BitbyBit prime), people will peg you for it and prepare for cheese all the time. MC by no means did an all in either game, just a pressure build that destroyed the zerg because Ciara was greedy with his drones (like he had five zerglings vs the army of mc). ofc I know that.. but the sentence how the guy is quoting it(dont know how day9 originally was saying it) is not right imo.. that the good player will always try to get the game on the long run. if you see the chance a good player will always utilize it and end the game as early as possible if the opponent allows that to happen. but ofc not by blind all ins or cheeses without backup plans. but you cant generalize this by saying the good player will always try to win it in the longest period of time. also cheese != cheese. there are thousand possibilities of stupid cheese and also thousand possibilities of cheese where you cut corners in a smart way or mix it one time up to caught your opponent with his pants down. | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:07 infinity2k9 wrote: But just like in BW, Zerg needs the extra base doesn't it? You can't say equal bases is fair. I'm not saying that Jeez I'm just saying that I think this will be debated for awhile and gave some views as to why holy crap. I just think that the fact that his Baneling bust is almost no risk and zero skill to pull off and it auto killed the 14 CC build WAY after the build was done means that that build is now completely undo-able because a Zerg can simply make Banelings and win despite Terrans skill in trying to hold off Banelings (great wall of china with production facilities). And just because Zergs need a fast expo doesn't mean they should have to have almost no risk to hatch FIRST. And what risk they do pose from it is from allins only not 2 base pushing. User was warned for this post | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:09 MYM.ClouD wrote: It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had. I disagree but w/e we'll never know That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings | ||
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legaton
France1763 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:12 RevRich wrote: Seems like Morrow was gonna baneling bust 3 times regardless of Jinro's build. Did he scout the CC first in games 1/3? I dont think so...he just baneling busted all games and hoped it worked. I wanted to see MC vs Jinro, not MC vs Morrow (who is just july zerg, but worse imo). Morrow plays nothing like JulyZerg. he usually is a pretty macro-oriented zerg. Still, i hope a better showing from him that the massacre of Ciara. | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:09 MYM.ClouD wrote: It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had. So I guess you're in the Incontrol/Idra camp of, "Julyzerg's style is so last month, cheesy, and requires no skill to play." Except it wins games (got July to the GSL finals), and that's the point? An overwhelming majority of SC2 right now is all about BO wins anyways. No one has the game figured out enough to effectively counter anything in a split second. | ||
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Feidspar
United States25 Posts
Not to mention a hatch gives what like.. 1 or 2 food while nexus/CC gives a friggin' boatload. So I'd say expanding actually comes out even in all the races. It is NOT cheaper for zerg to expand. User was warned for this post | ||
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
theres nothing wrong with punishing a risky build. Perhaps that is zergs problem atm they arent punishing these P & T FE builds as hard or as often as they should. IMO even if all morrow did was bust down 3 racks, stop the stim and kill 1/2 the marines he wasnt SO far behind that it was impossible to come back. I believe the harvester counts were simlar | ||
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BGrael
Germany229 Posts
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
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ReacH.
Scotland333 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:12 RevRich wrote: Seems like Morrow was gonna baneling bust 3 times regardless of Jinro's build. Did he scout the CC first in games 1/3? I dont think so...he just baneling busted all games and hoped it worked. I wanted to see MC vs Jinro, not MC vs Morrow (who is just july zerg, but worse imo). To be fair, I think he did get an overlord scout in game 1 and a drone scout in game 3 before he decided to baneling bust. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:13 hugman wrote: I disagree but w/e we'll never know That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings That bust in G1 hits at the same time you get blueflame on hellions. You lose 2 barracks but you hold everything without losing scvs. Again, this series was totally disappointing and I really don't respect Morrow decision to blindly cheese in g1 and g3 in such an important tournament. | ||
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