On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote: Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.
It's not a coin flip, it's a counter to a build. If Terran don't fe and go hellions or fast Siege and will be far behind as you suggest and lose 100% of time against every zerg, then the game is broken. But it hasn't been proven, you need to clarify more...
you dont get the point xd, all modern terrans bos are 1 rax FE or 15cc and then thers 3 or mb 4 follow ups
1 fast siege tank wich counters banelings but you wont be able to do shit when zerg takes a 3th instantly and makes 639064957r5678578 drones
2 fast helions with 2 facs/blue flame into 3 rax pressure wich is a prety solid build but its prety weak to defensive roach and a faster 3th base into std muta/ling/bling.
3 normal mnm play into a prety fast starport wich is just probably the best build to get your midgame going but it dies prety hard to bling busts.
OMG so what you're saying is, Terran will actually have to react to the zerg now??? WTF
On March 21 2011 06:52 DwmC_Foefen wrote: When are the next games btw?
They are no more games planned, only a bunch of useless so-called pro+ Show Spoiler +
cheesers
-gamers and the gratos protoss fighting for some cash, I'am not watching this.
Mc wins because he knows 2 things that no other player left in the tournament knows how to - he knows how to change his playstyle once in a while - he knows how to maccro.
Next time invite some real maccro player thx
a majority of the players were not invites, they qualified through the open tournaments. The only player you actually mention (specifically saying he macros) was one of the invited players.
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote: @MYM.ClouD: On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar
It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be
It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.
I disagree but w/e we'll never know That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings
So the Pro Cloud doesn't know his timings well enough to know when the bust would have hit in relation to FE build?
On March 21 2011 06:52 DwmC_Foefen wrote: When are the next games btw?
They are no more games planned, only a bunch of useless so-called pro+ Show Spoiler +
cheesers
-gamers and the gratos protoss fighting for some cash, I'am not watching this.
Mc wins because he knows 2 things that no other player left in the tournament knows how to - he knows how to change his playstyle once in a while - he knows how to maccro.
Next time invite some real maccro player thx
a majority of the players were not invites, they qualified through the open tournaments. The only player you actually mention (specifically saying he macros) was one of the invited players.
There were 13 invites and 16 qualified through tournaments and 3 seeds. So there really isn't a disparity between invites and qualified. One of Strelok's main gripes as well. Saying a majority makes it saw like the ratio is far bigger than it is.
On March 21 2011 07:04 Slardar wrote: In regards to the battle of Sweden series: Just analyzing game2 it's obvious Morrow cannot compete in a macro game at all with Jinro(no offense to him, he's an exceptional player) but Jinro's macro is just leaps and bounds ahead. He did what he had to do to win. gg
This is what's wrong with these forums right now. Did you even watch the game? Morrow was basically so far behind after the start that he was dead. If you want to compare their macro, that game is not it.
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote: @MYM.ClouD: On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar
It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be
It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.
So I guess you're in the Incontrol/Idra camp of, "Julyzerg's style is so last month, cheesy, and requires no skill to play."
Except it wins games (got July to the GSL finals), and that's the point? An overwhelming majority of SC2 right now is all about BO wins anyways. No one has the game figured out enough to effectively counter anything in a split second.
BitbyBit.prime's style won games too...I'm sure you and the rest of us would love seeing every Terran do that every game.
It's just like everything else. Let it run it's course, people find counters, and they go out of style. Morrow should be congratulated for finding something that caught Kinro off guard and showing that Starcraft is just as much a mental game as anything else.
On March 21 2011 07:17 Cocacooh wrote: Will there be post game interviews? Would be really sweet to know how the players prepared, who they praticed with etc
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote: @MYM.ClouD: On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar
It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be
It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.
I disagree but w/e we'll never know That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings
So the Pro Cloud doesn't know his timings well enough to know when the bust would have hit in relation to FE build?
On March 21 2011 06:52 DwmC_Foefen wrote: When are the next games btw?
They are no more games planned, only a bunch of useless so-called pro+ Show Spoiler +
cheesers
-gamers and the gratos protoss fighting for some cash, I'am not watching this.
Mc wins because he knows 2 things that no other player left in the tournament knows how to - he knows how to change his playstyle once in a while - he knows how to maccro.
Next time invite some real maccro player thx
a majority of the players were not invites, they qualified through the open tournaments. The only player you actually mention (specifically saying he macros) was one of the invited players.
There were 16 invites and 16 qualified through tournaments. So there is no majority.
If I am not mistaken there were 13 invites 16 players from the open Qualifiers and the three best players out of TSL 2
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