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Gobe
Profile Joined November 2010
210 Posts
March 20 2011 22:15 GMT
#6581
On March 21 2011 06:51 4Servy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 06:47 OooLong wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.


It's not a coin flip, it's a counter to a build. If Terran don't fe and go hellions or fast Siege and will be far behind as you suggest and lose 100% of time against every zerg, then the game is broken. But it hasn't been proven, you need to clarify more...

you dont get the point xd, all modern terrans bos are 1 rax FE or 15cc and then thers 3 or mb 4 follow ups

1 fast siege tank wich counters banelings but you wont be able to do shit when zerg takes a 3th instantly and makes 639064957r5678578 drones

2 fast helions with 2 facs/blue flame into 3 rax pressure wich is a prety solid build but its prety weak to defensive roach and a faster 3th base into std muta/ling/bling.

3 normal mnm play into a prety fast starport wich is just probably the best build to get your midgame going but it dies prety hard to bling busts.


OMG so what you're saying is, Terran will actually have to react to the zerg now??? WTF

User was warned for this post
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
March 20 2011 22:15 GMT
#6582
Awesome, just 1 week until Mondragon plays. So hyped for that.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 22:16:29
March 20 2011 22:16 GMT
#6583
By the way, is there a place where we can find replays of these games ?
I'd like to see Morrow's vision and timing during these match. :o
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
March 20 2011 22:16 GMT
#6584
On March 21 2011 07:15 ComusLoM wrote:
Awesome, just 1 week until Mondragon plays. So hyped for that.


hell yeah baby
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
March 20 2011 22:16 GMT
#6585
On March 21 2011 07:09 Mackh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 06:52 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
When are the next games btw?


They are no more games planned, only a bunch of useless so-called pro+ Show Spoiler +
cheesers
-gamers and the gratos protoss fighting for some cash, I'am not watching this.

Mc wins because he knows 2 things that no other player left in the tournament knows how to
- he knows how to change his playstyle once in a while
- he knows how to maccro.

Next time invite some real maccro player thx


a majority of the players were not invites, they qualified through the open tournaments. The only player you actually mention (specifically saying he macros) was one of the invited players.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 22:23:14
March 20 2011 22:16 GMT
#6586
On March 21 2011 07:13 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 07:09 MYM.ClouD wrote:
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote:
@MYM.ClouD:
On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers
I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar

It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be

It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.

I disagree but w/e we'll never know
That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings


So the Pro Cloud doesn't know his timings well enough to know when the bust would have hit in relation to FE build?

EDIT:

On March 21 2011 07:16 DusTerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 07:09 Mackh wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:52 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
When are the next games btw?


They are no more games planned, only a bunch of useless so-called pro+ Show Spoiler +
cheesers
-gamers and the gratos protoss fighting for some cash, I'am not watching this.

Mc wins because he knows 2 things that no other player left in the tournament knows how to
- he knows how to change his playstyle once in a while
- he knows how to maccro.

Next time invite some real maccro player thx


a majority of the players were not invites, they qualified through the open tournaments. The only player you actually mention (specifically saying he macros) was one of the invited players.


There were 13 invites and 16 qualified through tournaments and 3 seeds. So there really isn't a disparity between invites and qualified. One of Strelok's main gripes as well. Saying a majority makes it saw like the ratio is far bigger than it is.
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
March 20 2011 22:17 GMT
#6587
On March 21 2011 07:04 Slardar wrote:
In regards to the battle of Sweden series:
Just analyzing game2 it's obvious Morrow cannot compete in a macro game at all with Jinro(no offense to him, he's an exceptional player) but Jinro's macro is just leaps and bounds ahead. He did what he had to do to win. gg


This is what's wrong with these forums right now. Did you even watch the game? Morrow was basically so far behind after the start that he was dead. If you want to compare their macro, that game is not it.
Hello=)
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
March 20 2011 22:17 GMT
#6588
Will there be post game interviews? Would be really sweet to know how the players prepared, who they praticed with etc
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
March 20 2011 22:18 GMT
#6589
Awesome, just 1 week until Mondragon plays. So hyped for that.


Mondragon? =O

I didn't see him in the player list... can you elaborate?
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
March 20 2011 22:18 GMT
#6590
On March 21 2011 07:14 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 07:09 MYM.ClouD wrote:
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote:
@MYM.ClouD:
On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers
I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar

It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be

It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.


So I guess you're in the Incontrol/Idra camp of, "Julyzerg's style is so last month, cheesy, and requires no skill to play."

Except it wins games (got July to the GSL finals), and that's the point? An overwhelming majority of SC2 right now is all about BO wins anyways. No one has the game figured out enough to effectively counter anything in a split second.


BitbyBit.prime's style won games too...I'm sure you and the rest of us would love seeing every Terran do that every game.

It's just like everything else. Let it run it's course, people find counters, and they go out of style. Morrow should be congratulated for finding something that caught Kinro off guard and showing that Starcraft is just as much a mental game as anything else.




Write your own song!
Juffalo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States155 Posts
March 20 2011 22:18 GMT
#6591
On March 21 2011 07:17 Cocacooh wrote:
Will there be post game interviews? Would be really sweet to know how the players prepared, who they praticed with etc



yes !!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203077

^day1
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
March 20 2011 22:19 GMT
#6592
On March 21 2011 07:18 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
Awesome, just 1 week until Mondragon plays. So hyped for that.


Mondragon? =O

I didn't see him in the player list... can you elaborate?


Mondragon plays versus ZeeRaX.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
March 20 2011 22:19 GMT
#6593
On March 21 2011 07:18 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
Awesome, just 1 week until Mondragon plays. So hyped for that.


Mondragon? =O

I didn't see him in the player list... can you elaborate?

He's a seed from TSL2. Playing against ZeeRaX on Sunday, can't wait to see him play, one of my favourite BW Foreigner Zergs.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
March 20 2011 22:19 GMT
#6594
On March 21 2011 07:18 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
Awesome, just 1 week until Mondragon plays. So hyped for that.


Mondragon? =O

I didn't see him in the player list... can you elaborate?


2place seed from TSL2 together with Tyler(NonY) and Sen
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
March 20 2011 22:19 GMT
#6595
There's nothing wrong with being aggressive as Zerg . . . there's nothing wrong with responding to a greedy build aggressively ><

powerade = dragoon blood
Dramborleg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States23 Posts
March 20 2011 22:20 GMT
#6596
I have to say that I loved every game. It was nice to see so many different builds.

I also like how there are so many upsets. It really shows that more foreigners could do well in GSL given the chance.
Nomad-
Profile Joined February 2011
119 Posts
March 20 2011 22:20 GMT
#6597
On March 21 2011 06:28 Angelbelow wrote:
Awesome intro and outro songs.




Awesome music
Doppelganger
Profile Joined May 2010
488 Posts
March 20 2011 22:20 GMT
#6598
On March 21 2011 07:16 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 07:13 hugman wrote:
On March 21 2011 07:09 MYM.ClouD wrote:
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote:
@MYM.ClouD:
On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers
I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar

It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be

It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.

I disagree but w/e we'll never know
That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings


So the Pro Cloud doesn't know his timings well enough to know when the bust would have hit in relation to FE build?

EDIT:

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 07:16 DusTerr wrote:
On March 21 2011 07:09 Mackh wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:52 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
When are the next games btw?


They are no more games planned, only a bunch of useless so-called pro+ Show Spoiler +
cheesers
-gamers and the gratos protoss fighting for some cash, I'am not watching this.

Mc wins because he knows 2 things that no other player left in the tournament knows how to
- he knows how to change his playstyle once in a while
- he knows how to maccro.

Next time invite some real maccro player thx


a majority of the players were not invites, they qualified through the open tournaments. The only player you actually mention (specifically saying he macros) was one of the invited players.


There were 16 invites and 16 qualified through tournaments. So there is no majority.


If I am not mistaken there were 13 invites 16 players from the open Qualifiers and the three best players out of TSL 2
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
March 20 2011 22:21 GMT
#6599
On March 21 2011 07:15 BGrael wrote:
nooooooooooooo. Jinro ;(. Is that Day9 btw?

lol. That's Darth Vader. The title page + Vader pic should have given you a hint.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
March 20 2011 22:21 GMT
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