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lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
March 20 2011 21:41 GMT
#6341
Tonight I toast to Morrow.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6342
as day9 said the better player try to get the game during the longest time, while the worse try to end it asap
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
eFonSG
Profile Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6343
On March 21 2011 06:32 Laids wrote:
Terran 2 raxes to victory = " Amazing play "
Zerg baneling busts= "OMG SUCH A ONE TRICK PONY"


Okay guys.

This could not be more wrong. In fact its the EXACT opposite on Teamliquid. There is such a strong Zerg bias its crazy. Everyone is calling this series exciting and all that, but in reality it was just a zerg using two 2 base timing pushes against a greedy Terran. Boring and unexciting, there was no difference between these type of games and the one MC just played in the GSL finals yet those were considered dull games?


Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6344
On March 21 2011 06:40 DiaBoLuS wrote:

funny thing is - julyzerg plays like that: "wow, what an incredible innovative strategy so unexpected blabla"
morrow does it vs jinro: "such a noob he can only banelingbust", obv not knowing that morrow is a macro-oriented player after all^^



so true, sad, but very true. t.t
LostDevil
Profile Joined March 2005
Fiji283 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6345
To Jinro fanboys: Don't hate the player, hate the game.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6346
Why is early aggression as a zerg considered newbie play? Terrans and toss do it every game. I think it's good for the game to have all three races being capable of early aggression.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6347
On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.

WHY should it be Coinflip if the Zerg can do it in RESPONSE to an FE ?

I don't understand.
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6348
Very big Upsets so sad wish Jinro had made it my day is sad now
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PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6349
On March 21 2011 06:37 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 06:33 Asha` wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:25 Kazzabiss wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:24 Slon20 wrote:
Mouz rippin up liquid

what are you talking about, it's 1-1

Tyler beat Strelok


Hasu beat Huk, MorroW beat Jinro

I love Jinro man, but it's ridiculous to see people being disparaging towards MorroW for baneling busting a CC first build twice. If you've ever watched MorroW you will know that his macro games are typically his main strength; he's incorporated this July-esque aggression to his game because he is smart enough to adapt his play to current trends, and he used it in textbook fashion to punish greedy builds from his opponent today.

I know for some people these upsets spoiled a bit of their fun, but I have to say for me this was an absolutely amazing day of play, incredibly exciting with some great games, can't wait until next weekend!


Agreed

completely agree. morrow really played and executed those busts well. i thought jinro would adapt better though..
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Jungosi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany186 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6350
On March 21 2011 06:42 KhAlleB wrote:
as day9 said the better player try to get the game during the longest time, while the worse try to end it asap


However the better player should be aware of that.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#6351
So many people here who have gotten tricked into thinking that only macro games are "real" games
theteam
Profile Joined January 2011
United States515 Posts
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6352
glad morrow made it =p
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6353
On March 21 2011 06:40 Milvus wrote:
Hmm the only player who once managed to kill MC in tournament is out


Only another protoss could beat MC at this point... and it so happens MC's PvP is prolly the best.. so there.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6354
On March 21 2011 06:40 TheBanana wrote:
Did I just read someone say MorroW can't macro?
Whaaaat?
This has to be the first time some of you watched him play.

IMO he has the sickest macro in Europe hands down.


This. I don't think I've seen him baneling bust before.
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4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6355
On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.

gogo cloud get them told!
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 21:46:44
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6356
I think people should realize that game 3 of HasuObs vs HuK was not a build order win, well it certainly was partly. HasuObs distracted the zealot of HuK with his initial scoutingprobe and did send a 2nd probe which build the pylon.

Thats the reason the 4 gate worked - it was brilliant play and simply outsmarted by HasuObs - not a simple build order win.

On March 21 2011 06:43 4Servy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.

gogo cloud get them told!



I disagree Carlo. Obviously its insanely strong since its a strategy that deals damage no matter what, but on the first hand its something that is scoutable and on the other hand it was JinrO's fault. He went command center first without any attempt on scanning what MorroW does nor did he build 1 or even 2 bunkers which you can easily do without being behind.

He even used the barracks in front to upgrade stim - which he could change and use a barracks in the back to upgrade stimpack. Rushing to medivacs is far inferior even though it gives you drop ability than rushing to hellions or tanks. MorroW did simply abuse the lack of scouting and went for an aggressive build which can lead to a quick win or loss - but in a tournament like TSL you also have to cut corners. In game 2 he was behind due to the bunkerrush and didn't even allin banelingbust - he tried to kind of equal the game out but pulled back when he saw it won't work.

So I totally understand that you are saying its a super strong strategy, but its by no means a coinflip because you can actually scout it without being behind.
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Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6357
On March 21 2011 06:42 KhAlleB wrote:
as day9 said the better player try to get the game during the longest time, while the worse try to end it asap


Dont see much wisdom in that quote. The better player takes the opportunity to win when it presents itself to said player. MorroW saw a chance and went for it. Sheesh. Think about it.
ArYeS
Profile Joined June 2010
Slovenia268 Posts
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6358
Baneling is just a powerful unit, it's like saying that Jinro is abusive for using marines. In the second game that what morrow did is hardly called baneling bust, he just used the units game gave him, like jinro abused that rocks and stuff. As I see MorroW played good and punished Jinro for doing that build. Why would he stay back and macro if you can win asap, this makes no sense.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6359
On March 21 2011 06:42 LostDevil wrote:
To Jinro fanboys: Don't hate the player, hate the game.


Gotta agree as a jinro fanboi!. :-)

good games overall.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 21:44:26
March 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#6360
On March 21 2011 06:42 gnutz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.

WHY should it be Coinflip if the Zerg can do it in RESPONSE to an FE ?

I don't understand.

Because FE is the only thing you can do right now against zerg. 1 base openings except 2 rax into cc simply don't work anymore because of the bigger maps and zerg players getting better at managing larva.
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