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Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6241
Given one base Terran going for a safe, later expo against a hatch first zerg turns out to be a fairly even matchup (assuming no bunker shenanigans), I'm glad a baneling bust works against a CC first Terran. If it really was so viable, it would horribly imbalance the matchup (and we've seen plenty of games where Terran has had a comfortable ride to victory off a CC first build that goes unchallenged).
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6242
Hasuobs's chance of making the top 4 just rose a gigantic amount given how his bracket will probably look now.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
hoganftw
Profile Joined September 2010
United States32 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6243
OH MY GOD BANELING BUSTS! NO SKILL INVOLVED! I LOST ALL MY RESPECT FOR MORROW.

*clank clank*

Phew, finally fixed that sarcasm switch, it's been stuck on for weeks.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 21:37:47
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6244
Well, that's a wrap for today! I hope you've enjoyed the LR even though I'm not that good. There were some very, very good games today. If any of you missed them, please check out Huk v Hasu Game 2, Jinro v Morrow Game 2 especially! Those were some pretty tense action packed forwards-and-backwards games.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6245
On March 21 2011 06:31 .Aar wrote:
Morrow vs Jinro was basically July vs MVP lols. gg wp


in what way?
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6246
On March 21 2011 06:30 SiegeFlank wrote:Something that the casters missed was that when Jinro sent his 2nd (maybe 3rd?) scv scout to morrow's base (before the baneling nest went down), Morrow started to send a drone to his in-base third, but never made a hatchery with it. The baneling next went down soon after the scv was killed, and I can only wonder if Jinro was expecting Morrow to play a more economic game instead of going for another bust.

He didn't fall for it, he made an extra strong wallin. Taking the nat at the front is a bit suspicious
RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6247
I like how when people started complaining about FF abuse after the Code S finals there were immediate bans. However, people can complain about baneling bust abuse and nothing happens? I'm confused?
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6248
On March 21 2011 06:31 raidmaster wrote:
I've lost my respect to Morrow after those games. He will end up like JulyZerg.


i'm sure morrow would be quite happy ending up like the greatest zerg ever
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 21:36:21
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6249
I'm confused. Why would anyone NOT go baneling bust vs. that opening? Especially when Jinro transitioned directly to medvacs rather than tanks.

Just good play by MorroW. If you're the T there, you have to be prepared for the zerg just making an ass-ton of blings off 2 base w/o lair and killing you. 'Course, you also have to be prepared for ultra-fast muta harass, which basically means you need to scan both hatcheries to see the lair timing. Which is why large maps like Crevasse, Tal'Darim, etc. are so hard TvZ.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6250
CRAZY matches today. Man, I love TSLs xD. Too bad my bracket and my Liquibets are screwwwwwwwwed though, lol. Well played by Morrow. Jinro should've walled in with bunkers though. They're salvage-able and 100 minerals, cmon Jinro. With that econ lead, you should've made like 4 and just watch Morrow wittle away after Stim came. Idk, I also feel like a scan on the baneling's nest would've made that build a lot more robust in case Morrow never did bane-bust and just went 3 hatch macro.
darkness overpowering
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6251
On March 21 2011 06:35 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Hasuobs's chance of making the top 4 just rose a gigantic amount given how his bracket will probably look now.


morrow will rape him ez
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 21:35:55
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6252
On March 21 2011 06:23 ampson wrote:
Haha, why would jinro be that greedy? Especially after it happened already in game 1? I'm confused, there probably should have been more bunkers.


Don't think Terran has any choice but to try and be as greedy as Zerg in those positions on that map because if he tried an aggressive opening he just would have been shut down hard and be even further behind.

I don't know what you do against that strat by morrow I mean wallin with 3 CCs?
Cake or Death?
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6253
Mad props to the production crew and everyone involved. The event is amazing so far for an online tournament.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6254
On March 21 2011 06:34 nvs. wrote:
Baneling's seem like a pretty logical response to 3 raxes. What else would you have done in the same situation?


try to macro up and get rolled by mech lateron!
Kevmeister @ Dota2
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
March 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#6255
Jinro is a great player... I always cheer for him, and micro-wise at least he was playing really impressively today.

That said, I've noticed that he tends to underperform (at least, relative to expectations) in online tournaments. I think this aspect of starcraft might be similar to court surfaces in tennis (there are three court surfaces, clay, hard, and grass, and players usually do better on of the three).
Juffalo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States155 Posts
March 20 2011 21:36 GMT
#6256
On March 21 2011 06:32 ccHaZaRd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 06:31 Vindicate wrote:
You're right, everyone. When Jinro 14 cc'd, MorroW should have sat back and done nothing. That was clearly the correct counter, instead of using aggression to push back against Jinro's econ-heavy openings. If your opponent is better than you, as is the case of Jinro being better than MorroW, you have to do something that makes your opponent step outside his comfort zone. You have to make him step sideways and adapt to you, instead of letting him set up his gameplan and roll over you. If you wanted to win a game against a superior opponent, you would have done the same thing. It's strategy 101.


take a quick third and more drones instead of making 50 lings and banelings? Thats what he should have done instead of playing like a all in newb


yes CLEARLY when you have a window where you KNOW you can win the game and it has worked before in a prior game in the series. The correct response is to back off and drone in the hopes of having a chance later.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
March 20 2011 21:36 GMT
#6257
wow upset day eh?
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 20 2011 21:36 GMT
#6258
I don't even know why ppl are surprise at morrow.
I mean, remember guys, Morrow is the one who make 5 rax Reaper be nerfed. He know how to abuse the ZvT match-up like he knew with TvZ.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Dark-Storm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada334 Posts
March 20 2011 21:36 GMT
#6259
lol only 2 people has a perfect Liquidbet now
I don't have Pet Peeves. I have Major psychotic Fucking Hatreds
insufficient
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany33 Posts
March 20 2011 21:36 GMT
#6260
On March 21 2011 06:33 Zozo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 06:32 grinTOR wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:30 Zozo wrote:
WHY? WHY are you people bashing Morrow?

Read Thorzain's interview on how he says that build is completly vulnerable, and it's pretty much auto-win for the zerg. Try to do it against an experienced player that knows terran inside and out and he's gonna roll over you.

There is no way you can recover from that point, lifting is indeed the best option so you don't lose production. Props to Morrow for doing the right thing, this reaction should be as normal as bunkering/wall after seeing a 6pool


Which interview is this?? WTB


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203077

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Q: For the game on Terminus, you came out with an interesting but seemingly risky double expansion strategy. How much time and effort went into this build?

The map is so huge that I felt that I would dare to take the risk. It's obviously vulnerable to early pools and such but I felt that I needed to take the risk to have a good chance in the game. I did find out just like an hour before the game that it's really vulnerable against a certain strategy though, but I didn't have time to change my build and just prayed that FD wouldn't use it against me.


You realize that there is a major difference between a single and double expand, yes?
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