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zeru
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krullit
Sweden24 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:38 Azarkon wrote: If by weird decisions, you mean terrible decisions, and if by "to have a little chance," you mean "to have no chance," then yeah I agree. Well, it looked like terrible decisions, because MC was prepared for it. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:43 aScle wrote: Please put your balance talk in the b.net forums. Also you realize that in that match forcefields never entirely eliminated all micro from battles as burrowed roaches are one of the few units that move through them. It wasn't a balance whine. Forcefields are just boring by design as they limit opponent's possibility of microing. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
Oh, thx a lot! Looks like the OP was edited recently, i totally overlooked page 1 lol. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:44 Noocta wrote: ZvP with Roach Hydra is just not good at all anymore. People need to stop doing it as protoss get better at forcefield this kind of army. The combinaison of Forcefield and 9range Colossi is so perfect against midrange units. If you don't use roach/hydra in ZvP, then where DO YOU use it? You most certainly fucking don't get hydra in TvZ. So basically, you have two units that don't work in two major matchups, don't you see a problem here? | ||
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OgsStump
128 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:34 .Enigma. wrote: It hurts to know that MorroW could've won the first two games by just changing up his composition a little, it hurts to see a Zerg staying on roach/hydra tech for too long. :< Do you mean change composition and stay on the same tech or tech up to infestors or hive. If you are talking about changing tech i both agree and disagree with you. I'm a protoss player and I agree with you in game 1 he had an opportunity to change his tech because of his big lead but I'm not sure he had the same window in game 2. It seems to me like a lot of people don't realize how much you have to commit to change your composition into a higher tech. I mean you hear state of the game people say that people need to add infestors to the composition to be successful but fail to really address the impact that changing your tech has on your army size/economy (besides idra of course lol). It's not like you can have the exact same army and have infestors. Changing tech for zerg does involve some sacrifice. You're likely giving up the instant remax possiblity if you change to infestors or hive tech. Meaning if you can't take down the protoss ball in the first big engagement, you likely won't have enough units in the next engagement. I think in order to change tech without risking huge vulnerabilities to timing attacks you need to have a significant lead on your opponent like he had during game 1. Idk correct me if I'm wrong. Morrow couldn't have held off that initially 2 collosus timing attack if he was simultaneously trying to tech up to hive or infestors. | ||
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hc253218
Canada252 Posts
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Dragar
United Kingdom971 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:46 Mailing wrote: If you don't use roach/hydra in ZvP, then where DO YOU use it? You most certainly fucking don't get hydra in TvZ. So basically, you have two units that don't work in two major matchups, don't you see a problem here? ZvZ of course! | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:41 hitman133 wrote: With out FF, Protoss can't stop Terran and Zerg, think about it. MMM just gonna kite Zealots all day, Zerglings and baneling just run straight to Protoss expensive units. And if you think FF is easy to do? Try it, 1 miss FF could cost you the game. I'm not talking about balance, i know especially terran would demolish protoss early/mid game without forcefields. I just think the whole protoss race was poorly designed. PvP is pretty bad, games involving collossus are typically boring camp fests, and Forcefields are just stupid, they're VERY hard to dodge, and if they pull off a good one you cannot micro whatsoever. How is that good for the game? | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:43 diverzee wrote: Or the the majority of zerg players, as well as non-biased, non-zerg players (I wonder what race they play) focus their attention towards protoss for a reason. If the very majority of balance complaints are directed towards a particular matchup, with other mathcups' complaints being much lesser in frequency, it may point towards that particular matchup looking very uneven at the current state of the game. But the current state of the game has little to do with balance. Plus, believe it or not, the majority can be wrong. And often is. Non biased, non zerg player here. | ||
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mighty_honour_korea
Scotland198 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:40 Yaotzin wrote: Because commentators overhype things. You most certainly can fail hard with your FFs, as any Protoss player can attest. You have a split second to decide where to put them and to space them correctly. MC's forcefields actually are impressive, perfectly placed within a second or two. The reason you hear it all the time is because casters, a lot of them, have nothing worthwhile to say, so they pull go-to phrases out of their arseholes. Nice forcefields is a favourite. You'll notice they often times like to talk incredibly fast too, because it makes it more difficult to notice how trivial what they're saying actually is. It's an overused phrase, but in this instance it's pretty appropriate. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:37 .Enigma. wrote: Are you even reading the thread? People are complimenting MC left and right and there's like not much balance talk at all. Have you? Every time someone makes a compliment about MC's play today, someone immediately shuts that player down. "Impressive forcefields from MC" Response: "75% overlap? How is that impressive?" "MC 2 steps above other players" Response: "he got slapped back down to up/down" There's like not much balance talk at all? Are you serious? | ||
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Morale
Sweden1010 Posts
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TT1
Canada10085 Posts
: D but i swear my opinion is truly honest and unbiased | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:45 Belha wrote: Oh, thx a lot! Looks like the OP was edited recently, i totally overlooked page 1 lol. Wouldn't know if it was recently added, only heard about this tourney 5 minutes ago ;o Shame really, seemed to have missed some cool games. Like TheWind being beaten by 'Joe'. Lol. Joe. | ||
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Zeborg
107 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:45 EmilA wrote: It wasn't a balance whine. Forcefields are just boring by design as they limit opponent's possibility of microing. SC2 is sort of fun to watch overall still, but forcefields and fungal growth both limit micro and are boring to watch. | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:42 Jarvs wrote: MC is a beast but I truly hate forcefields. The ability just sucks the life out of a game and eliminates interaction. This point continues to bother me.... Maybe, just maybe, roach hydra isnt the answer to 5 gates with collosi. Spanishiwa has dirty sick ZvP, hes mixing up his style a lot, and recently, he has been going for early ovrlord speed and drops, and dropping all of his units (zerglings banelings roaches and hydras) all over the toss army, nulifying forcefields, also it spreads your units all over the place, making the collosi less useful. He was rolling people on ladder, watched him win like 7 ZvP's in a row against Antimage, TT1, etc... Maybe you should a) not use an army composition that gets rolled by forcefields or b) if you want to use units that suck against forcefields, lower the sentry count. He could have killed all of those sentries on that seemingly ill fated early push by MC. MC is amazing, stop saying op Toss. Zergs need to adapt. You shouldnt be allowed to use 1 strategy and win every game, and not being able to use a strategy because it gets countered by a diff build isnt reason to start op qqing. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:47 PHC wrote: Have you? Every time someone makes a compliment about MC's play today, someone immediately shuts that player down. "Impressive forcefields from MC" Response: "75% overlap? How is that impressive?" "MC 2 steps above other players" Response: "he got slapped back down to up/down" There's like not much balance talk at all? Are you serious? People have different opinions. If everyone agreed with everything, forums would be boring places. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On April 24 2011 01:47 PHC wrote: Have you? Every time someone makes a compliment about MC's play today, someone immediately shuts that player down. "Impressive forcefields from MC" Response: "75% overlap? How is that impressive?" "MC 2 steps above other players" Response: "he got slapped back down to up/down" There's like not much balance talk at all? Are you serious? How are those balance complaints? | ||
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araman
Israel2 Posts
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