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Yes I was waiting to find out when this was getting started. Looks like there are gonna be some great games. I hope Liquid takes this one. Liquid Fighting!!!
tt1 vs jinro should be a good match and KR vs Ret looks promising since KawaiiRice's tvz looked stellar against Sheth though he lost on shakuras cuz of a greedy third orbital (plus he lost to ret last time iirc)
TL's got this.. 3-1 or 4-0.. If both sen and KR can take their games it might go to an ace. TLO's TvT is too good for fenix and jinro's TvP is pretty good, plus TT1's no hongunprime lol.
On March 08 2011 09:24 jalstar wrote: Xeris did you pick the lineups? Well done to whoever did for fnatic.
It is my understanding that the teams submit there lineups based on the map pool and who is available. I might be wrong but i am confident that Xeris dons't pick the lineups, would be a fun job if that was the case :p
^ I assume you assign players to the starting map. He is saying he correctly predicted how TL would put their players and matchess his players how he wanted.
sen will wreck haypro and liquid will easily take the other 3, only one that will be close is TLO v fenix and it completely depends how well fenix is playing atm, whether he decided to pick it up after iem or not
On March 08 2011 09:51 shaunnn wrote: sen will wreck haypro and liquid will easily take the other 3, only one that will be close is TLO v fenix and it completely depends how well fenix is playing atm, whether he decided to pick it up after iem or not
On March 08 2011 09:24 jalstar wrote: Xeris did you pick the lineups? Well done to whoever did for fnatic.
It is my understanding that the teams submit there lineups based on the map pool and who is available. I might be wrong but i am confident that Xeris dons't pick the lineups, would be a fun job if that was the case :p
Yeah but Xeris is fnatic's manager so he'd submit their lineups right?
On March 08 2011 09:51 shaunnn wrote: sen will wreck haypro and liquid will easily take the other 3, only one that will be close is TLO v fenix and it completely depends how well fenix is playing atm, whether he decided to pick it up after iem or not
Have you heard of KawaiiRice?
The guy with zero major results against any top players in last like 4-5 months? yes and I give him 0 chance against a player of rets calibre who just had a few months training in korea and has already established hes currently better than 90% of the wests top players at assembly.
On March 08 2011 09:51 shaunnn wrote: sen will wreck haypro and liquid will easily take the other 3, only one that will be close is TLO v fenix and it completely depends how well fenix is playing atm, whether he decided to pick it up after iem or not
Have you heard of KawaiiRice?
The guy with zero major results against any top players in last like 4-5 months? yes and I give him 0 chance against a player of rets calibre who just had a few months training in korea and has already established hes currently better than 90% of the wests top players at assembly.
Haha ok - i am not saying he will win; but Kawaii's ZvT is really solid.. It is certainly not a certain win for TL
These will be my predictions, though I'd like to see a great turnout from fnatic. Liquid is the scariest foreign team out there, it's hard to bet against them.
I think the shocker in this one could be TT1 > Jinro. They are both incredible players and TT1 is for sure someone actually capeable of a big upset here.
A match worthy of champions. Previous matches between Liquid and Fnatic show that things are not as set in stone as they seem! No Tyler means that only TLO will be playing with EU/US latency. But TL is a force to be contended with regardless. Too bad we have to watch Haypro and Sen play ZvZ but should still be an exciting match.
On March 11 2011 03:29 Azarkon wrote: A match worthy of champions. Previous matches between Liquid and Fnatic show that things are not as set in stone as they seem! No Tyler means that only TLO will be playing with EU/US latency. But TL is a force to be contended with regardless. Too bad we have to watch Haypro and Sen play ZvZ but should still be an exciting match.
Ret is back in Europe. But both him and Dario have to play at really weird times.
On March 11 2011 03:29 Azarkon wrote: A match worthy of champions. Previous matches between Liquid and Fnatic show that things are not as set in stone as they seem! No Tyler means that only TLO will be playing with EU/US latency. But TL is a force to be contended with regardless. Too bad we have to watch Haypro and Sen play ZvZ but should still be an exciting match.
Ret is back in Europe. But both him and Dario have to play at really weird times.
In the past when games were to be played at ridiculous times they were arranged at a different time and casted from replays.. I would hope the same logical approach would be taken here..
I think the playoffs are a Bo3 for each match but i am sure Xeris will come in and confirm
If each round is a Bo3 does that make the Ace match a Bo5
Hoping TL crushes obviously, but I don't think this is going to be at all an easy victory. Sen's a beast, TLO seems shaky and Jinro has to play TvP on a large map.
Gosucoachingtv at Justin.tv is the most epic quality stream EVER. The main reason I watch is to be AMAZED by the details I can see, it's like I'm playing myself.
It's like a simulator that lets me be pro for a day.
On March 11 2011 11:25 MosART wrote: TLO is a great starter, at harassing to get ahead, but macro was never strong.
It's not his macro, it's that he doesn't seem to know when to stop harassing, like going in again with those 3 marines and one tank last game and countless other games he's played in tournaments and on his stream. I don't know how many times I've seen TLO load 80% of his army into medivacs and leave his front completely unprotected.
On March 11 2011 11:23 MinoMino wrote: Oh wow, great comeback by Fenix.
Agreed, but I think TLO also threw away the lead in that he could have defended the double attack instead of his late counter. It was TLO's game to lose, and he lost it
Game 2: Fenix ggs after some amazing harrass from TLO... but Fenix harrassed well too and didn't realize it was kind of even. The game could have gone much longer.
Spawning on metalopolis at close AIR positions - Fenix at the 1 oclock, TLO at the 2 oclock; Raven on the way from TLO.. Fenix starting on his tanks & banshees
On March 11 2011 11:44 cyprin wrote: why does the stream for such a big tournament not have an overlay annoying having to read through 6 pages to find the current score D:
I agree - no overlay is pretty annoying.. minor detail that would have made things a bit more amazing..
TLO breaks the contain but Fenix did so damage! Shells down a factory and starport.. and drops the main and then natural! Wow Fenix - i am impressed
On March 11 2011 11:47 MosART wrote: Fenix beating TLO at his own game atm.
Lol was about to say - yes they are both playing SC2
On March 11 2011 11:23 MinoMino wrote: Oh wow, great comeback by Fenix.
Agreed, but I think TLO also threw away the lead in that he could have defended the double attack instead of his late counter. It was TLO's game to lose, and he lost it
Yeah, I completely agree.
Great third game by Fenix. Smart of him not to go for the banshees and play defensively early game instead.
On March 11 2011 11:23 MinoMino wrote: Oh wow, great comeback by Fenix.
Agreed, but I think TLO also threw away the lead in that he could have defended the double attack instead of his late counter. It was TLO's game to lose, and he lost it
Yeah, I completely agree.
Great third game by Fenix. Smart of him not to go for the banshees and play defensively early game instead.
Yeah, I liked pretty much everything Fenix did in Game 3.
Wow I'm not sure I expected that outcome for set 1.
Set 2 will be interesting, didn't kawaiirice have one of the better american TvZ's back in BW? And I know that sprobably one of his better matchups now with his recent history in TvP's going on.
I don't know if i'm alone on this, but that didn't feel like insane play to me. I don't know what insane micro or macro kawaii needed to use at any point in that game to do what he did. It felt like pretty basic positional play to me.
I'm not saying it was poor play by any means, but I really don't think it was "insane play" like it's being hyped as.
On March 11 2011 12:16 SiguR wrote: I don't know if i'm alone on this, but that didn't feel like insane play to me. I don't know what insane micro or macro kawaii needed to use at any point in that game to win. It felt like pretty basic positional play to me.
I'm not saying it was poor play by any means, but I really don't think it was "insane play" like it's being hyped as.
It wasnt spectacular. It was really really solid and what makes it impressive is that it was against ret. Just really solid play paired with good macro.
On March 11 2011 12:16 SiguR wrote: I don't know if i'm alone on this, but that didn't feel like insane play to me. I don't know what insane micro or macro kawaii needed to use at any point in that game to win. It felt like pretty basic positional play to me.
I'm not saying it was poor play by any means, but I really don't think it was "insane play" like it's being hyped as.
It wasnt spectacular. It was really really solid and what makes it impressive is that it was against ret. Just really solid play paired with good macro.
I'd agree with this if ret had played well that game. He engaged in all the wrong timings and positions, when he could have engaged much better. He then flew his mutas around for no reason, then lost them to nothing, then planned an ultra transition when he clearly did not have the banes required to take out the marines. I dunno, his decision making seemed weak in that game.
KR played nicely, nothing out of this world, but nice anyways.
See, now from ret, that was really good play. It wasn't a practiced build being executed, it was responding to a shit-storm intelligently and effectively.
Game 2 from KawaiiRice vs. Ret was really... awkward.
KawaiiRice decided to get all his research (especially stim) ridiculously late, and then Ret played relatively sloppy, and then Kawaii ended up playing off 8 scvs for a while...
But Ret ended up winning, tying the set 1-1
If Ret wins, the series becomes 1-1. If KawaiiRice wins, then Fnatic is beating Liquid 2-0!
On March 11 2011 12:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Game 2 from KawaiiRice vs. Ret was really... awkward.
KawaiiRice decided to get all his research (especially stim) ridiculously late, and then Ret played relatively sloppy, and then Kawaii ended up playing off 8 scvs for a while...
But Ret ended up winning, tying the set 1-1
If Ret wins, the series becomes 1-1. If KawaiiRice wins, then Fnatic is beating Liquid 2-0!
Ret had to use an awkward build since it was close positions, I think he pulled it off well.
On March 11 2011 12:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Game 2 from KawaiiRice vs. Ret was really... awkward.
KawaiiRice decided to get all his research (especially stim) ridiculously late, and then Ret played relatively sloppy, and then Kawaii ended up playing off 8 scvs for a while...
But Ret ended up winning, tying the set 1-1
If Ret wins, the series becomes 1-1. If KawaiiRice wins, then Fnatic is beating Liquid 2-0!
Yeah, Kawaii had that game won on many occasions and threw it away with a series of rediculously bad battles.
1-0 marines vs 1-2 (?) roaches didn't help either.
Game might have been over if the planetary survived
I don't understand the commentator's analysis of the map. Terran has an advantage on scrap station, especially against macro oriented zerg players. It was a zerg map back when one base terran play was popular.
Scrap isn't a zerg map, and Kawaii has practiced that map sooooooo much that all he has to do is survive the roach+bane combo that beat him last time and he should take this game.
Huge mistake by ret not to kill those exposed tanks. I think it would have been gg for kawaii if that happened. And I cant believe that all those banelings did almost nothing... tough loss.
A lot of nice back and forth in Game 3. Ret had a great opportunity to attack into KawaiiRice's main at the end and do a lot of damage (KR was out of position), but a single drop harrass coerced Ret into pulling back everything... and then GGing -.-'
So many weird attack decisions from ret.. why did he run in his entire army into the massive ball of marines & tanks rather than running into KRs base and taking out all of his production buildings??
Either Ret didn't take the game seriously, or he made some bad decisions. Running roaches into siege tank lines while allowing 8 marines to take out 2 expo's? Huh?
On March 11 2011 12:59 Doraemon.doraemon wrote: i'm a noob, was ret that behind that he had to gg? confused...
Zergs don't have the tools to make huge comebacks, especially without a mutaball to defend drops. Ret probably thought KR's econ was slightly better as well, but the game was basically lost anyway.
Ret's style has become much more aggressive I feel like, ending up in Terran defending more than attacking. But KR's Macro Terran style was too much for the Flying Dutch Man this time around. Fnatic up 2-0.
So strange, ret totally had the game, he just made ridiculous decisions in the latest stages of the game which cost him too much. What the hell?, even GG timing was weird.
On March 11 2011 13:03 robitii wrote: gretorp is the worst caster i've heard, his vocabulary is made of 3 words, tops :/
I actually like Gretorp. He's got a lot of passion. Only issue is that some of his calls seem a bit inexplicable.
Gretorp is a good caster with great knowledge of the game. He just forces the enthusiasm a little too much sometimes. It seems like he an incontrol are trying too hard to imitate husky and totalbiscuit's styles.
Sweet I was hoping the 2nd scv sent out would build a fact for a fast thor push edit: dang its just a scouting factory, thats a shame because a proxy fact thor push is very effective vs a phoenix opening.
On March 11 2011 13:03 robitii wrote: gretorp is the worst caster i've heard, his vocabulary is made of 3 words, tops :/
I actually like Gretorp. He's got a lot of passion. Only issue is that some of his calls seem a bit inexplicable.
Gretorp is a good caster with great knowledge of the game. He just forces the enthusiasm a little too much sometimes. It seems like he an incontrol are trying too hard to imitate husky and totalbiscuit's styles.
He just isn't on his game today. Usually he is a boss. I think that Incontrol brings the best out in him, as he is the more passive of that pair. Sheth is really overshadowing him today though.
Huge engangement in the middle! EMP on TT1's forces but guardian shields are thrown up! Jinro takes out TT1's phoenixes but stalkers clean up the vikings. Too many stalkers for Jinro
TT1 rolled Jinro in the first game when the big attack happened because Jinro's vikings attacked TT1's phoenix's first instead of the colossi... and so the colossi wiped out all of the infantry, which left the entire Protoss army (except for a few phoenixes) untouched.
Both players macroed well, it was just bad micro there from Jinro.
On March 11 2011 13:18 GeorgeForeman wrote: Games like this really make me wonder how terran is supposed to beat toss. I mean, do you have to 1-base all-in?
.... Make units and attack?
TT1 had a more expensive, better composed, gas-heavy army.
Liquid got wrecked because no one should be playing competitively during those hours. Jinro was behind like 30 supply before the engagement at the end.
On March 11 2011 13:20 Vorlik wrote: Liquid got wrecked because no one should be playing competitively during those hours. Jinro was behind like 30 supply before the engagement at the end.
On March 11 2011 13:18 GeorgeForeman wrote: Games like this really make me wonder how terran is supposed to beat toss. I mean, do you have to 1-base all-in?
...What?
If his vikings had focused the colossi instead of the phoenix, the Terran army would have rolled the Protoss army in the completely opposite direction.
On March 11 2011 13:20 Mailing wrote: .... Make units and attack?
TT1 had a more expensive, better composed, gas-heavy army.
If he lost it, the game was over basically.
That's protoss.
Jinro got both of his expos up earlier, but TT1 was able to get a larger (by like 30 food), more expensive army. That's something I don't get either. :-(
ETA: I really don't like the marauder/shells opening Jinro seems to favor TvP, but I see a lot of pros using it....
I think this is the best game of the entire series so far because of how well both players played. They both played consistently and cleverly and the multitasking and mechanics were amazing.
1-1, Game 3 for TT1 vs. Jinro.
If TT1 wins this, then Fnatic wins 3-0. If Jinro wins, then Liquid is down 1-2.
Not a fan of that double robo stuff. Double reactor starport seems to be a decent counter. IMO fasteer twilight is better, and mixing in HT late game is insane.
On March 11 2011 13:18 GeorgeForeman wrote: Games like this really make me wonder how terran is supposed to beat toss. I mean, do you have to 1-base all-in?
...What?
If his vikings had focused the colossi instead of the phoenix, the Terran army would have rolled the Protoss army in the completely opposite direction.
Terran has no problem beating Protoss.
Unlikely, the Viking's will probably be just picked off faster by the Phoenix, which will in turn graviton a bunch of the marauders and win anyways. He really needed to get off that EMP, which kind of whiffed.
On March 11 2011 13:18 GeorgeForeman wrote: Games like this really make me wonder how terran is supposed to beat toss. I mean, do you have to 1-base all-in?
...What?
If his vikings had focused the colossi instead of the phoenix, the Terran army would have rolled the Protoss army in the completely opposite direction.
Terran has no problem beating Protoss.
Unlikely, the Viking's will probably be just picked off faster by the Phoenix, which will in turn graviton a bunch of the marauders and win anyways. He really needed to get off that EMP, which kind of whiffed.
Ehh, there were 2x as many vikings as phoenix. He definetely should have killed the colossi off.
Wow, congratulations fnatic. I don't think anyone expected this to be a 3-0 for fnatic. I for one was definitely hoping this would go to the ace match, but amazing games from both sides.
pretty frustrating from a terran point of view. always feeling on the clock agaisnt zerg and toss. Toss just needs to defend till they get up a large number of colo then attack move.
On March 08 2011 09:51 shaunnn wrote: sen will wreck haypro and liquid will easily take the other 3, only one that will be close is TLO v fenix and it completely depends how well fenix is playing atm, whether he decided to pick it up after iem or not
Have you heard of KawaiiRice?
The guy with zero major results against any top players in last like 4-5 months? yes and I give him 0 chance against a player of rets calibre who just had a few months training in korea and has already established hes currently better than 90% of the wests top players at assembly.
On March 11 2011 13:49 Hider wrote: Well Pvt is kinda fucked right now, but Jinro played really bad in g3. LIke sitting at 46 scvs forever.
So barring Game 3 (where Jinro engaged in small quarters, knowing there were sentries there to forcefield half his army), there was one game where Protoss won, and one game where Terran won.
And the one game where the Protoss won was because Jinro was having his vikings shoot the phoenixes instead of the colossi.
So obviously, PvT is not "kinda fucked". They're quite close to being balanced, actually, if you look at the statistics and win percentages.
Jinro played this one so poorly. It started with him making three bunkers at his natural against a teching and fast expanding protoss which enabled tt1 to take the gold for free and then he engaged at the worst possible spot when he hadn't enough vikings yet. I think he was dealing with lag or something.
Kawaii over Ret was a huge upset in my opinion. But looking at the games, especially Shakuras it just seemed like he got outplayed; I have no idea what to say.
On March 11 2011 13:55 Baum wrote: Jinro played this one so poorly. It started with him making three bunkers at his natural against a teching and fast expanding protoss which enabled tt1 to take the gold for free and then he engaged at the worst possible spot when he hadn't enough vikings yet. I think he was dealing with lag or something.
Engaging in that position was a huge issue although Jinro knew he was behind due to TT1's gold and so wanted to contest the Xel'Naga. Latency probably played a role in half his army getting FF'd though. I suppose if he had no latency he might've been able to pull back in time.
But really he was behind on macro the entire game and the same is true of game 1. Don't know how that happened. Does latency really affect your macro as well?
i have no idea how it is from korea to NA but I play on Korea server all the time and the latency is not as bad as you guys are trying to make it seem... I can go mass rines vs zergs and micro fine most games.
On March 11 2011 13:56 tsuxiit wrote: Kawaii over Ret was a huge upset in my opinion. But looking at the games, especially Shakuras it just seemed like he got outplayed; I have no idea what to say.
Ret vs. KawaiiRice was probably the closest match in the series. Really exciting games imo and you didn't know who was going to win until the very end of Game 3.
On March 11 2011 13:55 Baum wrote: Jinro played this one so poorly. It started with him making three bunkers at his natural against a teching and fast expanding protoss which enabled tt1 to take the gold for free and then he engaged at the worst possible spot when he hadn't enough vikings yet. I think he was dealing with lag or something.
Engaging in that position was a huge issue although Jinro knew he was behind due to TT1's gold and so wanted to contest the Xel'Naga. Latency probably played a role in half his army getting FF'd though. I suppose if he had no latency he might've been able to pull back in time.
But really he was behind on macro the entire game and the same is true of game 1. Don't know how that happened. Does latency really affect your macro as well?
No, it's just people making excuses. Can't accept the fact that TT1 just played better than Jinro did.
On March 11 2011 13:59 KawaiiRice wrote: i have no idea how it is from korea to NA but I play on Korea server all the time and the latency is not as bad as you guys are trying to make it seem... I can go mass rines vs zergs and micro fine most games.
ggs liquid
The latency was fine today, some days it sucks. Today was no issue.
I think i played fine game 1 and 2 and i think i missed a ton of depots game 3. I also think anyone who says PvT is fine is an idiot, but primarily because terran cant win if protoss gets templars late game which wasnt really an issue in any of todays games.
On March 11 2011 13:59 KawaiiRice wrote: i have no idea how it is from korea to NA but I play on Korea server all the time and the latency is not as bad as you guys are trying to make it seem... I can go mass rines vs zergs and micro fine most games.
ggs liquid
yea, I play with my friend on US server when I was in Vietnam and there was no lag at all, and the internet speed was like 1.4 mbps so yea I dont think it's that bad
On March 11 2011 13:49 Finrod1 wrote: kinda bad play by jinro. don't know why jinro stayed with this only bio play vs mass colossus. anyway gratz to fnatic!
Oddly, colossi also counter tanks pretty well. It's weird.
So many fanboys eating crow. I wasn't particularly rooting for anyone but am glad that there were some competitive games in there. Fnatic sure did come prepared to take on the big dogs though and they didn't disappoint.
On March 11 2011 13:55 Baum wrote: Jinro played this one so poorly. It started with him making three bunkers at his natural against a teching and fast expanding protoss which enabled tt1 to take the gold for free and then he engaged at the worst possible spot when he hadn't enough vikings yet. I think he was dealing with lag or something.
Because I thought he was gonna 1 gate nex, 6 gate allin, I thought that was why he picked this map...
I fucked up a ton of depots so had no army, and you need to fight around that area or your vikings are exposed. Not emping before the fight was a huge mistake of course.
I suppose this is a bit of payback for MLG Dallas for TT1 =P.
Still, I'm sorry to see a 3-0 by Fnatic this series. The score doesn't do justice to the quality of the competition and how close this clan war actually was.
Still, I'm sorry to see a 3-0 by Fnatic this series. The score doesn't do justice to the quality of the competition and how close this clan war actually was.
On March 08 2011 09:51 shaunnn wrote: sen will wreck haypro and liquid will easily take the other 3, only one that will be close is TLO v fenix and it completely depends how well fenix is playing atm, whether he decided to pick it up after iem or not
Have you heard of KawaiiRice?
The guy with zero major results against any top players in last like 4-5 months? yes and I give him 0 chance against a player of rets calibre who just had a few months training in korea and has already established hes currently better than 90% of the wests top players at assembly.
KawaiiRice I really applaud your games! I had seen your name around for quite some time but man are you quickly becoming one of my favorite players. Keep on rocking!!
On March 11 2011 13:55 Baum wrote: Jinro played this one so poorly. It started with him making three bunkers at his natural against a teching and fast expanding protoss which enabled tt1 to take the gold for free and then he engaged at the worst possible spot when he hadn't enough vikings yet. I think he was dealing with lag or something.
Because I thought he was gonna 1 gate nex, 6 gate allin, I thought that was why he picked this map...
I fucked up a ton of depots so had no army, and you need to fight around that area or your vikings are exposed. Not emping before the fight was a huge mistake of course.
Not lag.
shake it off and practice up Jinro everyone knows you are the best
great games by fnatic..!! Ret suicided army here and there and I feel that cost him the game, as well as going for too many roaches..
Honestly, I was hoping that Jinro would shed some light on tvp. I'm having so much trouble in tvp that it's just ridiculous. I'm sure there are many other terran players having trouble tvp. It's almost impossible when the armies engage head on. I did learn a lot from the metalopolis game though :D P seriously needs some nerf
On March 11 2011 13:55 Baum wrote: Jinro played this one so poorly. It started with him making three bunkers at his natural against a teching and fast expanding protoss which enabled tt1 to take the gold for free and then he engaged at the worst possible spot when he hadn't enough vikings yet. I think he was dealing with lag or something.
Because I thought he was gonna 1 gate nex, 6 gate allin, I thought that was why he picked this map...
I fucked up a ton of depots so had no army, and you need to fight around that area or your vikings are exposed. Not emping before the fight was a huge mistake of course.
Not lag.
It honestly surprises me time and time again when people say something bad about you you come into the thread and say something to put them in their places, without any BM at all. That's not like many other progamers and it's very nice to see!
Anyway I watched the VOD and the games were very good.I'm sad that Liquid lost but Fnatic deserves the win.
On March 11 2011 13:59 KawaiiRice wrote: i have no idea how it is from korea to NA but I play on Korea server all the time and the latency is not as bad as you guys are trying to make it seem... I can go mass rines vs zergs and micro fine most games.
ggs liquid
The latency was fine today, some days it sucks. Today was no issue.
I think i played fine game 1 and 2 and i think i missed a ton of depots game 3. I also think anyone who says PvT is fine is an idiot, but primarily because terran cant win if protoss gets templars late game which wasnt really an issue in any of todays games.
Good call ^^
Congrats to Fnatic, especially Kawaii and Fenix who played really well. Really enjoyed the first two series!
Wow, this is quite surprising. I mean, there's no doubt that Fnatic have some very good players, but you just get the feeling most of the Liquid players are one or two steps above them. Certainly Jinro and Ret losing were upsets. Perhaps TLO too, if he did indeed play Terran, though Fenix is so highly rated himself that you probably couldn't call it an upset either way.
On March 11 2011 13:59 KawaiiRice wrote: i have no idea how it is from korea to NA but I play on Korea server all the time and the latency is not as bad as you guys are trying to make it seem... I can go mass rines vs zergs and micro fine most games.
ggs liquid
The latency was fine today, some days it sucks. Today was no issue.
I think i played fine game 1 and 2 and i think i missed a ton of depots game 3. I also think anyone who says PvT is fine is an idiot, but primarily because terran cant win if protoss gets templars late game which wasnt really an issue in any of todays games.
Good call ^^
Congrats to Fnatic, especially Kawaii and Fenix who played really well. Really enjoyed the first two series!
TT1 played pretty good aside from not winning game 2 (I really have no idea why he didnt just attack and end it instead of letting me get gold).
Very cute with the boy band idea But it would have been better if there hadn't already been like 50 SC2 ones out for this dance already (like the Day[9] one and the one that has TLO/ HuK/ Idra/ White-Ra/ iNcontroL). Maybe there's an original one you could do?
Congrats to Fnatic on their win! This was a very nice series of games with a lot of back and forth action. I'm really looking forward to the other semi-final and final as well!
If they put up vods for the games, you should definitely take the time to watch.
On March 11 2011 22:10 turdburgler wrote: after seeing it was close positions on taldarim altar i would of loved too see jinro 1 base,just for one game. he was trading marauders for sentries at the start which i thought was a good move, but then an immortal popped out and just solo'd everything : <
with the reduced sentry count he could of gone really marine heavy, or for some helions, which do really well against immortal/sentry/zealot combos
Hm, what are you talking about? Maybe my memory is bad, but I remember it being cross positions on both metal and taldarim, and me not engaging very much because he went phoenix on taldarim?
On March 11 2011 22:10 turdburgler wrote: after seeing it was close positions on taldarim altar i would of loved too see jinro 1 base,just for one game. he was trading marauders for sentries at the start which i thought was a good move, but then an immortal popped out and just solo'd everything : <
with the reduced sentry count he could of gone really marine heavy, or for some helions, which do really well against immortal/sentry/zealot combos
Hm, what are you talking about? Maybe my memory is bad, but I remember it being cross positions on both metal and taldarim, and me not engaging very much because he went phoenix on taldarim?
Im confused.
i had a brain fart and confused your game against tyler : l
thats what i get for posting first thing after waking up
do you think a raven would of been more helpful than a ghost against tt1 on the taldarim game? it seems that if he has enough stalkers your vikings cant kill his colossi because they have to defend themselves by focusing the phoenix first. but if you had 2 pdd's you would have time to focus the colossi without losing any vikings.
just my opinion (and im bad) but a viking, raven thor mix would seem to hard counter stalker colossi phoenix and even without emp the thors can crush the forcfields. mass bio seems so fragile : <
Gratz to fnaticMSI, they played extremely well. I was most impressed by Kawaii, even if his stim timing in game 2 was.... unusual. There were a lot of great games, and it was fun to watch.
On March 12 2011 00:53 ampson wrote: Gratz to fnaticMSI, they played extremely well. I was most impressed by Kawaii, even if his stim timing in game 2 was.... unusual. There were a lot of great games, and it was fun to watch.
On March 11 2011 22:10 turdburgler wrote: after seeing it was close positions on taldarim altar i would of loved too see jinro 1 base,just for one game. he was trading marauders for sentries at the start which i thought was a good move, but then an immortal popped out and just solo'd everything : <
with the reduced sentry count he could of gone really marine heavy, or for some helions, which do really well against immortal/sentry/zealot combos
Hm, what are you talking about? Maybe my memory is bad, but I remember it being cross positions on both metal and taldarim, and me not engaging very much because he went phoenix on taldarim?
Im confused.
Hey need to know why you stopped going mech? Is it not viable, and if not, do you ever think it will be viable (if terran players just get good enough at doing it).
I can't believe that people underrate KawaiiRice this much. I thought going into the tournament that the games were Ret's to lose. The kid's TvZ is almost invincible and Ret hasn't been feeling too confident against Terran lately, at least from what I can gather from interviews.
On March 11 2011 22:10 turdburgler wrote: after seeing it was close positions on taldarim altar i would of loved too see jinro 1 base,just for one game. he was trading marauders for sentries at the start which i thought was a good move, but then an immortal popped out and just solo'd everything : <
with the reduced sentry count he could of gone really marine heavy, or for some helions, which do really well against immortal/sentry/zealot combos
Hm, what are you talking about? Maybe my memory is bad, but I remember it being cross positions on both metal and taldarim, and me not engaging very much because he went phoenix on taldarim?
Im confused.
Hey need to know why you stopped going mech? Is it not viable, and if not, do you ever think it will be viable (if terran players just get good enough at doing it).
I think it sucks on these maps, and is not that great in general if protoss really knows how to play vs it.
Wow, this sucks. I am now somewhat depressed. Well, grats to fnatic I guess. What really surprised me were ret's games, he made such strange/bad decisions in his matchup, particularly in that weird shakuras game, while I felt he had the game on scrap and then he suddenly GGs after KR's drop on his expo, I was like "wtf?!"
Xeris, I posted already in your other thread.. PLEASE fill in the recommended games section or just don't have it there at all, it's unbelievably tilting when it's in your every single GCPL thread yet I've not seen any game recommended ever (I didn't see all GCPL threads but most of them).
A hero in the comment section on justin.tv just discovered this:
It seems if I let the stream load naturally I have sound. If I try to skip ahead, the sound goes away and the stream becomes choppy (even if I pause it and let it load).
So, just don't skip anything and let it load from the start. It appears to work just fine.
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FnaticMSI.Sen <Terminus RE> 
FnaticMSI.Fenix <Scrap Station> 
FnaticMSI.TT1 <Tal'Darim Altar> ![[image loading]](http://i41.tinypic.com/2a8romg.jpg)
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FnaticMSI.Sen <Terminus RE> 
FnaticMSI.Fenix <Scrap Station> 
FnaticMSI.TT1 <Tal'Darim Altar> 
but he will most likely choose 
We believe in fnatic. Good luck Xeris, expect you guys to take it.
