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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
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Icemind
Germany570 Posts
And he voted for Artosis to get in, which considering his passion for sc can only be commended. Oh and even though i dont know if he deserves to be in it based on pure skill, if it was based on the apllication Destiny should get a spot  | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
On March 15 2011 15:06 thesighter wrote: If Europeans are welcomed and Koreans are discriminated against, then the North American Starcraft League should explicitly limit the number of Koreans. Overt discrimination is not as harmful as implicit discrimination, at least Koreans will know where things stand. Perhaps the name should be changed to "Non-Korean" Starcraft League or "Non-Asian" Starcraft League. If the Koreans play, I have no doubt they will win. It is arguable as to whether or not that is good for the foreigner scene. Are you kidding me? | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On March 15 2011 14:57 Chicane wrote: What's with the disrespect towards their interviews? They could have done the interview in Korean and had it translated instead, but as we have seen many Koreans in the past, they are interested in reaching out to their foreign fans. We all saw MC trying to speak English during his interviews because he cared. He didn't get more money for that. Yes I know it MAY EVENTUALLY lead to some more money for him... but I don't know why there seems to be a double standard with foreigners and Koreans. Do we think that all the foreigners would be playing as much as they do if there was no money involved? Come on... I don't know them personally, but what I have seen from interviews... it seems like they are interested in the foreign scene. When Ace went to IEM he said that he was upset that he didn't really have anyone he could talk to because of the language barrier... it seemed like he wanted to make that connection but couldn't. This is where NASL can come in. With translators they could bridge the gap and show the Korean's personalities that we don't often have a chance to see. One last thing... we need Koreans if we want the foreign scene to keep up. I am not saying the foreign scene is way behind, but if we want to at the least stay close... we will need Koreans playing in foreign tournaments to motivate people to try harder and win. I really feel it is for the best, and while I completely agree that I love seeing the foreign personalities... more so than the Koreans, they are still a very important factor that I look forward to watching... especially in MANY matches against top foreigners... not just a few. To add on to that, I believe MC has said that he is learning English and hopes that in this year or the next that it would be good enough that he would be able to post on TL. I've also heard that several other oGs members have very good English and others are also actively learning. As for whether they would come to/contribute to our community; You would also have to look at it with some practicality in mind, would you up-root yourself and go to the US to play in a new league? Or stay in Korea and enjoy the financial comfort and security that comes with playing for a team in Korea and competing in the GSL. Now if the NASL say in 5 years was still around, which I really hope so. I would not be surprised if Koreans came to the US to play. Professionals go where they can, and where the biggest tournaments and the best players are. | ||
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Decelea
Australia92 Posts
People have claimed that viewers don't want to see two 'average' NA players duking it out, they want to see the best of the best. Maybe this is true of us TL members. But i do not believe for a second this is true of a general audience. They want to see players they can relate to, players they can support and cheer for (and it is clear, if the players were chosen for the NASL based off their skill level at the moment it'd be at least 50% Korean and Koreans would probably pick up 8 spots in the top 10). Why else do you think the foreigner matches in the GSL are so popular? Jinro and idra aren't the two best players in the world, but i can almost guarantee people want to see that more than say MC vs HongUn. Why is Husky so popular? Not because he is the most analytical commentator but because he can build excitement and appeal to an audience beyond the diehard fans. Once there is an audience and market for esports, THEN the skill level and player dedication will come. It doesn't work the other way around. So that probably went beyond what is relevant to this thread, but in short the NASL does not need Koreans and probably shouldn't have too many in order to succeed. Also loving Tyler's application ^^ | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
Are you kidding me? what makes you think otherwise? Do you watch starcraft 2 tournaments? | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
On March 15 2011 11:54 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: so all we needed to do was submit 60 seconds of jibberish? shit i read the requirements wrong... That comment is pretty harsh.. NASL has stated that they wanted top players (although due to cross-server play they might limit) but that doesn't mean that they'll completely ignore players from korean scene. In the end I'm sure they'll want the best players, players that will get them the views and interest they are hoping to get. What's the point of having a tournament when better players get left out :\ Since it is online, I guess it makes it alot more difficult where as GSL was offline and anyone could go - but there was the constraint of having to actually be there. At the end of the day NASL is going to have to make the calls on who gets in and not everyone is going to be happy (i.e. always someone complaining about something). Hope some of the ST guys get in!! http://www.youtube.com/user/MrLeeminj#p/u/0/_Hk076JsYXc - ST vids for those who missed the links and stuff | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On March 15 2011 15:23 SenorChang wrote: I find it amazing that the Startale guys all made such a good effort for their NASL applications, some guy was bashing on them for 'jibberish'? they could have easily have spoken in their native tongue and gotten it translated so that they could have conveyed what they wanted to say better but they are reaching out and showing that they want to be apart of the foreign scene. Not surprising that the guy who called the interviews jibberish was a guy who is very unhappy with the possiblity of Koreans getting in. This is almost like political election. If you can't find faults in their qualification, start ad hominem and red herring... | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On March 15 2011 11:54 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: so all we needed to do was submit 60 seconds of jibberish? shit i read the requirements wrong... Your comment is xenophobic. How's your Korean? GSL has been extremely friendly to foreign players and doesn't require them to speak Korean. | ||
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doihy
668 Posts
Also I would like to add that if a lesser known foreigner plays a korean and wins, then that guy will be instantly famous among foreigners and we can see a "story" develop. *Please consider letting the highest caliber of players into the NASL Xeris, Incontrol* My decision to buy premium will be acting on whether i see shitty players or great players. | ||
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Grettin
42393 Posts
On March 15 2011 15:10 N3rV[Green] wrote: Every korean that made a video needs to get in, now. Omg they were soooooo amazing. July by far was the funniest, while Bomber's got some good english O.o Great stuff! sorry, but where are these korean vids? they aren't listed in the OP. Thanks! e. aw! found em! (Page 60, under the spoiler) It's funny how the koreans are speaking english. I'd let them speak in Korea and get translator to translate it or something. But better this way, dont get me wrong. :D | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Talk about the GSL being so open to foreigners so the NASL should do the same is kind of weird. The GSL requires you to move to another country, if the NASL required the same and said Koreans will have to move here for a month to play it is not exactly being open towards Koreans. The situations of both of these tournaments are very different and it is hard to compare what it means to be open to international players because the setting is so different. Like I said if the NASL did the same as the GSL nobody would say they are being open towards Koreans. Hosting their matches online and letting Koreans in is so much more open than the GSL has ever been and probably ever will be. Let the NASL make their own decisions and motivate them. If they feel they cannot grow esports in North America with 8 Koreans in the top 8 then excluding them means their tournament may survive and the scene may grow. If they feel like having the best players in the world is the best way to make their tournament grow then they will pick a lot of Koreans. Most likely they will go for some mix where there are a few Koreans in a mostly non-Korean tournament. Either way whatever they decide to go with I can accept as long as they have the proper motivation for the situation. There are plenty of good arguments for doing it either way and a conscious decision is all we can ask for from them. The case of TSL2 to justify excluding Koreans should also not be brought up as a comparison. As these kind of decisions need to be motivated with arguments anyone can see that the situation is completely different. The TSL1-2 decision was so far apart from anything the NASL has to decide on it's ridiculous to say that we did it in the TSL so it's okay for the NASL to do so now as well. TSL would have been dominated by B players nobody has heard about in a scene where Koreans had a full proscene and the foreign scene had nothing hosted by an organization who already made it its life goal to support the Korean proscene with coverage and other things. The decisions we made there are completely irrelevant to todays situation. If someone wants to exclude Koreans to their tournament nowadays he needs to have a different motivation for it than we did because the reasoning we used is not applicable anymore. Loved the Startale videos and hope they let some of them in. | ||
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qwertyindeed
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
Is there no money prize? Is there no drive and competitive spirit? What is the point of a tournament? I am extremely disappointed that some members in TL believe that e-sports will grow without Korean influence. The chances of 8 Koreans filling up the top 8 is the same as the chance of no koreans filling up the top 8. Don't use biased examples to skew opinion in your favor. Obviously players who lack the necessary requires of competing in an e-sport will feel that excluding better players gives them a better chance at obtaining the money they seek. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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eltese
Sweden369 Posts
I don't see that the koreans are so ungodly and untouchable. I think the very very top players in korea are better than the very very top in EU / NA. But this does not mean that every korean in the NASL gets an auto-win. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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