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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Startale fighting ! Hopefully they will get spots in the NASL. ps: I don't understand the controversy. What, are people really afraid that the big bad koreans are going to eat the foreigners alive? Sure they are good, but please don't underestimate the foreigner scene  We got a lot of good strategists.Plus let's not forget that competition -> emulation. | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
On March 15 2011 13:18 Kirb wrote: Why are so many people bitching about a limit for koreans etc...? There is a reason why koreans weren't allowed in tsl (especially tsl 2) and no one complained. Even if these reasons don't completely transfer for the nasl they are still accurate (keep in mind what the people from nasl said about starting smth for NA. One of the main reasons koreans were not allowed in the TSLs was because there were almost no tourneys foreigners could even play in. So while the korea had a bunch of leagues and tourneys to play the foreigners pretty much only had wcg. Now its completely different, there are tons and tons of tourneys everywhere for people to play outside of korea. That's probably the biggest reason the koreans are playing in TSL3. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
I think considering the fact that GSL has been so nice and accomodating to foreign players despite our unproven track record ( foreigner house, no ladder requirement for qualification, separate brackets in qualifying, code A auto berth which made them get a lot of flak), we need to return the favour. Not to mention how accomodating oGs has been to the Liquid guys. 2 Koreans per division maximum would be fine imo. And obviously they come for the money. So did people who went to Korea for the GSL. Sure by going Korea they can improve their skills but the main draw was still the money. The reason a lot of people are withdrawing from Korea is also the fact that they see the opportunity to make more money outside of Korea by joining the smaller tournaments instead of having to battle through the code S monsters. The argument about them having to play on NA/EU ladder to be part of the scene is just a very weird argument. Does that mean the NA/EU players would have to play on SEA servers so they can get invited when FXO hold their own GSL in Malaysia. The reason so many players play in KR server was because thats the best ladder for practice, not to try to interact. Not even sure where that point came from. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
Stop bitching when nothing has been released yet and just get hyped! Everyone focuses too bad on the bad. You really have to trust that they are going to make this tournament the best it can possibly be. I do, and im fucking thrilled over here at these applications. ...HYPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On March 15 2011 13:12 Shocae wrote: I think 10ish would be perfect for me personally. I'm not saying it's the best idea, but I get great enjoyment seeing how foreigners stack up against Koreans. But someone stated an idea for 50% Koreans...and I actually think this is pretty bad. Much of the hype in SC2 comes from the idea that Western E-sports is growing and America/Canada/Europe have somewhat of a chance. When that ideal dies, so will the money supporting NASL (only imo of course). So yeah...I would like to see approximately 10ish Koreans as Foreigner vs Korean games seem to generate the most excitement, viewers, and money; thus helping e-sports grow, as well as foreigner competition. In the future would i believe it would be better to give spots to established korean teams (for our purposes say 4) and let them decide who will best represent their team in the tournament. You are setting a cap overall but its not the NASL thats making the decision thats key. If you have open applications and then cap it you fall into the situation we might have now. 5-6 players from each korean team apply, and you little objective reasoning or arguments to say no to one while allowing the other. Especially in comparison with the NA/eu applicants. NASL comes out looking bad on either side, whether they cap it or not. half will be unhappy either way. If they go out from the getgo and say, IM, TSL etc. you all get 3 spots in addition to any of your players that finish in top X. choose your players and create their videos. I think its the best of both worlds. the NASL wont have to go through the screening process. | ||
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parabs
Canada68 Posts
50 of the world's best players will be featured weekly. I mean at the very least July (and definitely some others) qualifies as one of the world's best. The fact there are Koreans that are excited about the NASL is pretty huge IMO. We should be welcoming. | ||
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cozzE
Australia357 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
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Toastmold
Canada207 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
 . Would definitely like to see July, Bomber, MC, MVP, MKP, and NesTea get invited. The only reason Koreans are better than 'Foreigners' is because they have an established league with monetary incentives and benefits. With NASL hopefully we can get put on an even footing. I think a lot of people will become surprised at the rapid improvements of the foreign scene within a year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Foreigners consistently beating Koreans. (We aren't that far behind right now as it is) Plus if NASL goes ESPN I think it isn't unreasonable to see the Foreign skill ceiling climb higher than Koreans. | ||
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Kirb
Germany900 Posts
On March 15 2011 13:25 Mig wrote: One of the main reasons koreans were not allowed in the TSLs was because there were almost no tourneys foreigners could even play in. So while the korea had a bunch of leagues and tourneys to play the foreigners pretty much only had wcg. Now its completely different, there are tons and tons of tourneys everywhere for people to play outside of korea. That's probably the biggest reason the koreans are playing in TSL3. But it's still limited due to invites only - same goes for Nasl as far as we can tell. I was referring to the "best player" should play statement. | ||
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doihy
668 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
they showed great effort with these videos (how wasn't too difficult for torch lol) i hope that the scenes are becoming more and more connected, and i hope western players will be able to compete with koreans | ||
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meijin
United States141 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:22 Pokebunny wrote: Shrug. all I know is I'm much less interested than watching Koreans vs mid tier foreigners than up and coming foreigners battling with the better foreigners. I honestly don't care if the west doesn't catch up, as long as we have an interesting scene. you fail to mention that we get to see the koreans play the top tier foreigners as well. if you don't have any koreans (or very few of them like 5) then most of the matches are going to be with a lot of the mid tier foreign players getting stomped by the koreans and the top level foreigners. i guess it would be weird if 30 of the top koreans applied but i don't really see that happening (remember that startale has torch who seems to be facilitating a lot of interaction with the foreigner scene. they had an in house tournament on iccup maps casted by JP a couple weeks ago). i would also expect some oGs guys to apply for NASL given their connection to team liquid,and we'd end up having ~10 koreans which would be AMAZZZZZAZING. like 10 koreans, 30 top level well known foreigners and 10 up and coming lesser known foreigners would be a totally awesome mix of players. | ||
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:30 Pokebunny wrote: I don't want an outright ban on Koreans, I just want them to make a reasonable effort to participate in the scene if they want to play our tournaments. Liquid players are LIVING AND PLAYING CONSTANTLY with a Korean team during their time in Korea. If Koreans were to become part of the scene, that would be fantastic. People like SeleCT are totally cool. I'm just afraid that if 5-6 Koreans are invited, and they all make the semis, that will be a rather boring semi for me. So you would rather have some low level play in the semis rather than some of the truly best? Why don't you just watch WWE instead then. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
Anyway I'm fairly certain I saw Incontrol or somoene (could be wrong), say there was going to be a limit on Korean invites, so i'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I'd guess not many more than 5 or so would be invited, 10 at the most. Which i'm pretty sure for most people would be exciting! The idea of foreigners clashing with koreans is the most appealing matchup for me, gets me quite excited. The only downside is there is a high possibility of an all Korean Semi Finals, which wouldn't be as interesting for me as you get to see that in the GSL and I want to see some foreigners win big money lol. But you have to be in it to win it, and the foreigners won't ever catch up to the Koreans if they're not competing with them regularly or at least taking the game as seriously. Bring it on I say! | ||
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
On March 15 2011 13:07 adrenaLinG wrote: I cannot believe that there are people complaining about Korean players because they aren't a part of the North American scene. With a negative response like this, I can understand fully why some Korean players wouldn't want to be apart of the NA scene, if they're treated like second class citizens. Gomtv and many other Korean teams and organizations have been welcoming to Western talent, even going so far as to open an English stream just for us, and hiring English commentators to show their support for a global e-sports league. TLAF was also welcomed into Korea and joining the OGS house. I can't possibly understand anyone that complains about Koreans not putting in their effort to become part of the North American scene. Instead of using NASL as an opportunity for Koreans to get involved with the NA scene and open their own gaming houses, some posters in this thread are proposing we put a quota on them. Or restrict it to certain teams. That's a step backwards, not just for the e-sport scene, but for progressive social values too. Starcraft is not supposed to be about race, nationality, or what language you speak. It's supposed to be about how good you are at it. A big time QFT. | ||
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