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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
March 15 2011 04:21 GMT
#1321
Wow I just checked Startale application videos... Oh my god they are AWESOME. Especially July's one *_*

Startale fighting ! Hopefully they will get spots in the NASL.

ps: I don't understand the controversy. What, are people really afraid that the big bad koreans are going to eat the foreigners alive? Sure they are good, but please don't underestimate the foreigner scene We got a lot of good strategists.
Plus let's not forget that competition -> emulation.
o choro é livre
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
March 15 2011 04:25 GMT
#1322
On March 15 2011 13:18 Kirb wrote:
Why are so many people bitching about a limit for koreans etc...? There is a reason why koreans weren't allowed in tsl (especially tsl 2) and no one complained. Even if these reasons don't completely transfer for the nasl they are still accurate (keep in mind what the people from nasl said about starting smth for NA.


One of the main reasons koreans were not allowed in the TSLs was because there were almost no tourneys foreigners could even play in. So while the korea had a bunch of leagues and tourneys to play the foreigners pretty much only had wcg. Now its completely different, there are tons and tons of tourneys everywhere for people to play outside of korea. That's probably the biggest reason the koreans are playing in TSL3.
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 15 2011 04:26 GMT
#1323
Ace's video is really nice =D

I think considering the fact that GSL has been so nice and accomodating to foreign players despite our unproven track record ( foreigner house, no ladder requirement for qualification, separate brackets in qualifying, code A auto berth which made them get a lot of flak), we need to return the favour. Not to mention how accomodating oGs has been to the Liquid guys. 2 Koreans per division maximum would be fine imo.

And obviously they come for the money. So did people who went to Korea for the GSL. Sure by going Korea they can improve their skills but the main draw was still the money. The reason a lot of people are withdrawing from Korea is also the fact that they see the opportunity to make more money outside of Korea by joining the smaller tournaments instead of having to battle through the code S monsters.

The argument about them having to play on NA/EU ladder to be part of the scene is just a very weird argument. Does that mean the NA/EU players would have to play on SEA servers so they can get invited when FXO hold their own GSL in Malaysia. The reason so many players play in KR server was because thats the best ladder for practice, not to try to interact. Not even sure where that point came from.
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
March 15 2011 04:31 GMT
#1324
I dont know if you guys were really listening when incontrol was hyping all of this, but he said he wants this to be the best tournament in the WORLD. Key word: World. If Koreans want to play then I dont see anything wrong with that. It would be great to see some of our home favorites duke it out against the unstoppable koreans. It would be like the TSL but a lot bigger and longer!

Stop bitching when nothing has been released yet and just get hyped! Everyone focuses too bad on the bad. You really have to trust that they are going to make this tournament the best it can possibly be. I do, and im fucking thrilled over here at these applications.

...HYPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
March 15 2011 04:31 GMT
#1325
The chill-toss won it. All i gotta say.
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
VenerableSpace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States463 Posts
March 15 2011 04:37 GMT
#1326
On March 15 2011 13:12 Shocae wrote:
I think 10ish would be perfect for me personally. I'm not saying it's the best idea, but I get great enjoyment seeing how foreigners stack up against Koreans. But someone stated an idea for 50% Koreans...and I actually think this is pretty bad. Much of the hype in SC2 comes from the idea that Western E-sports is growing and America/Canada/Europe have somewhat of a chance. When that ideal dies, so will the money supporting NASL (only imo of course).

So yeah...I would like to see approximately 10ish Koreans as Foreigner vs Korean games seem to generate the most excitement, viewers, and money; thus helping e-sports grow, as well as foreigner competition.



In the future would i believe it would be better to give spots to established korean teams (for our purposes say 4) and let them decide who will best represent their team in the tournament. You are setting a cap overall but its not the NASL thats making the decision thats key. If you have open applications and then cap it you fall into the situation we might have now.

5-6 players from each korean team apply, and you little objective reasoning or arguments to say no to one while allowing the other. Especially in comparison with the NA/eu applicants. NASL comes out looking bad on either side, whether they cap it or not. half will be unhappy either way.

If they go out from the getgo and say, IM, TSL etc. you all get 3 spots in addition to any of your players that finish in top X. choose your players and create their videos. I think its the best of both worlds. the NASL wont have to go through the screening process.
parabs
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada68 Posts
March 15 2011 04:42 GMT
#1327
Not sure why there's so much argument over Startale/Koreans joining the NASL. From the FAQ on the NASL website under "Who's in it?"

50 of the world's best players will be featured weekly.


I mean at the very least July (and definitely some others) qualifies as one of the world's best. The fact there are Koreans that are excited about the NASL is pretty huge IMO. We should be welcoming.
cozzE
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia357 Posts
March 15 2011 04:45 GMT
#1328
I couldn't see how you could deny the Koreans from entry into the tournament. If you were to deny them it'd be an absolute travesty and a huge loss in terms of international appeal and overall skill level of the tournament.

JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
March 15 2011 04:46 GMT
#1329
How come a spoiler group for MnM hasn't been made? o:
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
Toastmold
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada207 Posts
March 15 2011 04:46 GMT
#1330
Fun videos from the Koreans. They could have pandered to the audience a bit and called out some foreign players that they would want to face though!
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
March 15 2011 04:46 GMT
#1331
The Startale applications were awesome. I feel 50 players is quite limiting . Would definitely like to see July, Bomber, MC, MVP, MKP, and NesTea get invited.

The only reason Koreans are better than 'Foreigners' is because they have an established league with monetary incentives and benefits. With NASL hopefully we can get put on an even footing. I think a lot of people will become surprised at the rapid improvements of the foreign scene within a year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Foreigners consistently beating Koreans. (We aren't that far behind right now as it is)

Plus if NASL goes ESPN I think it isn't unreasonable to see the Foreign skill ceiling climb higher than Koreans.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Kirb
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany900 Posts
March 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#1332
On March 15 2011 13:25 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 13:18 Kirb wrote:
Why are so many people bitching about a limit for koreans etc...? There is a reason why koreans weren't allowed in tsl (especially tsl 2) and no one complained. Even if these reasons don't completely transfer for the nasl they are still accurate (keep in mind what the people from nasl said about starting smth for NA.


One of the main reasons koreans were not allowed in the TSLs was because there were almost no tourneys foreigners could even play in. So while the korea had a bunch of leagues and tourneys to play the foreigners pretty much only had wcg. Now its completely different, there are tons and tons of tourneys everywhere for people to play outside of korea. That's probably the biggest reason the koreans are playing in TSL3.


But it's still limited due to invites only - same goes for Nasl as far as we can tell. I was referring to the "best player" should play statement.
doihy
Profile Joined August 2010
668 Posts
March 15 2011 04:53 GMT
#1333
Startale players did their NASL apps in english <3
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
March 15 2011 04:57 GMT
#1334
I hope the NASL doesn't unfairly discriminate against Korean players and not allow them to play. It's a league, so the best players in the world should compete. It's absolutely stupid to disallow top players from competing solely because they're too good, or the tournament isn't legitimate.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
March 15 2011 04:58 GMT
#1335
i love those startale applications.
they showed great effort with these videos (how wasn't too difficult for torch lol)

i hope that the scenes are becoming more and more connected, and i hope western players will be able to compete with koreans
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meijin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
March 15 2011 05:00 GMT
#1336
On March 15 2011 12:22 Pokebunny wrote:
Shrug. all I know is I'm much less interested than watching Koreans vs mid tier foreigners than up and coming foreigners battling with the better foreigners.

I honestly don't care if the west doesn't catch up, as long as we have an interesting scene.


you fail to mention that we get to see the koreans play the top tier foreigners as well. if you don't have any koreans (or very few of them like 5) then most of the matches are going to be with a lot of the mid tier foreign players getting stomped by the koreans and the top level foreigners.

i guess it would be weird if 30 of the top koreans applied but i don't really see that happening (remember that startale has torch who seems to be facilitating a lot of interaction with the foreigner scene. they had an in house tournament on iccup maps casted by JP a couple weeks ago). i would also expect some oGs guys to apply for NASL given their connection to team liquid,and we'd end up having ~10 koreans which would be AMAZZZZZAZING. like 10 koreans, 30 top level well known foreigners and 10 up and coming lesser known foreigners would be a totally awesome mix of players.
absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
March 15 2011 05:01 GMT
#1337
On March 15 2011 12:30 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't want an outright ban on Koreans, I just want them to make a reasonable effort to participate in the scene if they want to play our tournaments. Liquid players are LIVING AND PLAYING CONSTANTLY with a Korean team during their time in Korea. If Koreans were to become part of the scene, that would be fantastic. People like SeleCT are totally cool. I'm just afraid that if 5-6 Koreans are invited, and they all make the semis, that will be a rather boring semi for me.


So you would rather have some low level play in the semis rather than some of the truly best? Why don't you just watch WWE instead then.
Thief @ #teamliquid @ Quakenet
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 15 2011 05:02 GMT
#1338
Looks like Machine just uploaded his video

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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 05:06:08
March 15 2011 05:05 GMT
#1339
It was good to see them try and speak english instead of through a translator for a change :D

Anyway I'm fairly certain I saw Incontrol or somoene (could be wrong), say there was going to be a limit on Korean invites, so i'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I'd guess not many more than 5 or so would be invited, 10 at the most. Which i'm pretty sure for most people would be exciting! The idea of foreigners clashing with koreans is the most appealing matchup for me, gets me quite excited. The only downside is there is a high possibility of an all Korean Semi Finals, which wouldn't be as interesting for me as you get to see that in the GSL and I want to see some foreigners win big money lol. But you have to be in it to win it, and the foreigners won't ever catch up to the Koreans if they're not competing with them regularly or at least taking the game as seriously. Bring it on I say!
absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
March 15 2011 05:05 GMT
#1340
On March 15 2011 13:07 adrenaLinG wrote:
I cannot believe that there are people complaining about Korean players because they aren't a part of the North American scene. With a negative response like this, I can understand fully why some Korean players wouldn't want to be apart of the NA scene, if they're treated like second class citizens.

Gomtv and many other Korean teams and organizations have been welcoming to Western talent, even going so far as to open an English stream just for us, and hiring English commentators to show their support for a global e-sports league. TLAF was also welcomed into Korea and joining the OGS house.

I can't possibly understand anyone that complains about Koreans not putting in their effort to become part of the North American scene. Instead of using NASL as an opportunity for Koreans to get involved with the NA scene and open their own gaming houses, some posters in this thread are proposing we put a quota on them. Or restrict it to certain teams.

That's a step backwards, not just for the e-sport scene, but for progressive social values too. Starcraft is not supposed to be about race, nationality, or what language you speak. It's supposed to be about how good you are at it.


A big time QFT.
Thief @ #teamliquid @ Quakenet
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