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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 14:58:09
March 17 2011 14:44 GMT
#2141
On March 17 2011 23:29 sleepingdog wrote:
Just realized that Naama apparently didn't apply...what's up with that, anybody got information about that? I mean, he's the Dreamhack champion after all, no?

I dont know, but he has not played that succesful since then.
He would not be such a big loss as Kas, should he not apply.
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TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
March 17 2011 14:52 GMT
#2142
Wow oGs vids now! Nice! I really liked these
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 17 2011 15:04 GMT
#2143
I haven't heard anything from Naama since he left Mouz.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
March 17 2011 15:21 GMT
#2144
On March 17 2011 23:44 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 23:29 sleepingdog wrote:
Just realized that Naama apparently didn't apply...what's up with that, anybody got information about that? I mean, he's the Dreamhack champion after all, no?

I dont know, but he has not played that succesful since then.
He would not be such a big loss as Kas, should he not apply.


Definitely true. Although I've rarely seen Kas perform well at "events", he seems to have some nerve-issues or idk.
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Apoo
Profile Joined January 2011
413 Posts
March 17 2011 15:30 GMT
#2145
when do we get to know who is going in NASL and who not ?
oGm`REM
Profile Joined March 2011
United States870 Posts
March 17 2011 15:35 GMT
#2146
Haha, MC's interview with awesome.
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JackhammerIV
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom221 Posts
March 17 2011 15:41 GMT
#2147
On March 18 2011 00:30 Apoo wrote:
when do we get to know who is going in NASL and who not ?


Well from the NASL's FAQ section...the relevant section was copied to the OP in the hidden part. It said the players would know the result of their application by the 18th. Then they would begin publicly announcing 5 players a day starting March 22nd. But given people are still giving in application videos this might not be the case anymore. Perhaps it'll be delayed. But we'll know roughly around march 22nd i guess.
syrupychinadian
Profile Joined September 2010
112 Posts
March 17 2011 15:42 GMT
#2148
I love MC's attitude! Nice to see someone with...balls of steel...
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
March 17 2011 15:44 GMT
#2149
Someone should post the NaDa video in the NaDa's body thread for Ziggy Stardust to oggle at xD.

But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if NASL didn't really want to contact Korean teams as I think their whole goal pf the NASL thing is to give ALL OF US something like the GSL. We all tune into GSL wishing we had our own league like the Koreans. Why would we want our own league to be primarily occupied by Korean players then?

Not exactly my opinion but perhaps one of the many opinions behind not wanting Koreans in.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
March 17 2011 15:55 GMT
#2150
On March 18 2011 00:30 Apoo wrote:
when do we get to know who is going in NASL and who not ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197888
Application Deadlines
•Team & Player Contracts (direct approach) due: MARCH 10th, 2011 11:59 p.m. PST
•Player Applications (public) due: MARCH 11th, 2011 11:59 p.m. PST
•Player Videos (direct approach) due: MARCH 13th, 2011 11:59 p.m. PST
•Team & Player Contracts (from public application) due: MARCH 16th, 2011 11:59 p.m. PST
•Players notified of acceptance/rejection: MARCH 18th, 2011 11:59 p.m. PST
•$250 security deposit per player due: MARCH 20th, 2011 11:59 p.m. PST
•Public Announcement of Players Begins
•March 22nd, 5 players announced per day.

I doubt they're going to keep that schedule, but that's what had been written.
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HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
March 17 2011 16:08 GMT
#2151
The korean videos are just fantastic, the only thing that can top this is foreigners doing the same in korean. JulyZergs video was just hilarious, just love the guy.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 16:16:43
March 17 2011 16:14 GMT
#2152
To be honest, I was a bit shocked by the lack of English skills some of the Startale guys showed.

The oGs guys were better, but not by much. It was the sort of differences you'd pick up being around English speaking people more, I guess.


I gather English is not taught at Korean schools? Which foreign languages are on the school curriculum in Korea?
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
March 17 2011 16:28 GMT
#2153
On March 18 2011 01:14 Bobster wrote:
To be honest, I was a bit shocked by the lack of English skills some of the Startale guys showed.

The oGs guys were better, but not by much. It was the sort of differences you'd pick up being around English speaking people more, I guess.


I gather English is not taught at Korean schools? Which foreign languages are on the school curriculum in Korea?

French is taught in Canada from grades 4 - 9 and I can barely put a sentence together.

English is taught in Korea from a very young age.
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Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
March 17 2011 16:29 GMT
#2154
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but English is taught in korean schools but it's not the most popular subject :o
MagnusHyperion
Profile Joined August 2010
United States288 Posts
March 17 2011 16:29 GMT
#2155
On March 18 2011 01:14 Bobster wrote:
To be honest, I was a bit shocked by the lack of English skills some of the Startale guys showed.

The oGs guys were better, but not by much. It was the sort of differences you'd pick up being around English speaking people more, I guess.


I gather English is not taught at Korean schools? Which foreign languages are on the school curriculum in Korea?


Hey, guy, how much Korean do you know? Maybe before you start negatively criticizing people who are doing their best to try to speak English you stop and think about the significance of this. After all, Korean-to-English or English-to-Korean are some of the hardest language transitions for, literally, anyone. FYI, according to NPR, English is taught at a very young age almost universally to students in Korea but, as I mentioned, the languages are so incredibly different that it's hard for them to do well with it. The command of ~300 English words I heard from the ST guys was pretty impressive considering China is pumping billions into getting their population educated enough to use ~1000 in like 10 years (according to NPR). Anyhow, my point is don't be so hasty to throw negative energy at some guys who spend 12 hours a day playing video games for your enjoyment when they can't speak one of the hardest languages for them to learn. Perhaps you should phrase it as, "I was impressed at how hard they tried, despite not having a good command of vocabulary."

Anyhow, I'll put this frankly, as a person who watched a lot of BW, I was/am infinitely pleased to see Korean pro gamers speaking ANY English. I was actually clapping my hands and jumping up and down in my chair when I saw July Zerg had put up a video! This was the first time I have ever heard these guys speak English in such quantity, several minutes of them speaking is impressive! Korean progamers doing this is actually unprecedented by it's strictest definition! Hell, I even remember seeing foreign reporters struggling to get Bisu to say one or two words in English and Russian.

Seeing Korean Progamers stepping outside their comfort zone and doing something like this makes me exceptionally happy!

Also, did anyone else notice that most Western players mentioned that they didn't have rivals, while Koreans almost uniformly had rivals? (Even MC's comments reeked of giving the middle finger to every player out there) It's a curious little side note I thought worth mentioning.
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dkim
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
March 17 2011 16:38 GMT
#2156
NADA, MC, JULY MUST GET IN.
nada's video was the best, along with MC's I am the shit comments, as well as july's i no speakie engrish lolol
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 16:57:33
March 17 2011 16:42 GMT
#2157
On March 18 2011 01:28 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 01:14 Bobster wrote:
To be honest, I was a bit shocked by the lack of English skills some of the Startale guys showed.

The oGs guys were better, but not by much. It was the sort of differences you'd pick up being around English speaking people more, I guess.


I gather English is not taught at Korean schools? Which foreign languages are on the school curriculum in Korea?

French is taught in Canada from grades 4 - 9 and I can barely put a sentence together.

English is taught in Korea from a very young age.
Yeah Chill, but that's French. That doesn't count.


*shrug* I probably came across as a bit harsh because I transferred my own experience as a non-native English speaker. And because I know a couple young Japanese college students living here who have a better command of the language.

But still, English is my second/third language and I'd like to think I have a relatively solid grasp of it. Then again, this is from my continental European point of view, where it's much more natural to be exposed to the English language sphere...

It's good to hear that the Korean government seems intent on furthering the language skills of their citizens. 10 years ago I would've said that it's becoming increasingly important to learn English from a young age and become at least proficient enough at it to be able to communicate when in another country - now I've come to expect this as the standard (especially young people like the oGs/ST guys. Looks like Korea definitely has some catching up to do there.

And I think anyone offended by my wording (if it's chalked up to ignorance, that's even better, no need to feel offended at all) needs to grow a thicker skin. I certainly think the Korean players can handle that much.

On March 18 2011 01:29 MagnusHyperion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 01:14 Bobster wrote:
To be honest, I was a bit shocked by the lack of English skills some of the Startale guys showed.

The oGs guys were better, but not by much. It was the sort of differences you'd pick up being around English speaking people more, I guess.


I gather English is not taught at Korean schools? Which foreign languages are on the school curriculum in Korea?

Anyhow, I'll put this frankly, as a person who watched a lot of BW, I was/am infinitely pleased to see Korean pro gamers speaking ANY English. I was actually clapping my hands and jumping up and down in my chair when I saw July Zerg had put up a video! This was the first time I have ever heard these guys speak English in such quantity, several minutes of them speaking is impressive! Korean progamers doing this is actually unprecedented by it's strictest definition! Hell, I even remember seeing foreign reporters struggling to get Bisu to say one or two words in English and Russian.

Seeing Korean Progamers stepping outside their comfort zone and doing something like this makes me exceptionally happy!
Yeah, this is pretty cool compared to the BW days, I guess. Still, I guess it was kind of a wake-up call for me to realise how far behind these young guys were compared to the general English standard I'm used to.


edit: ah, one more thing. Answering this with "how well do you speak Korean?" doesn't really work, since English is the language establishing itself as the tool of global communication, not Korean. The relevant question would be to ask how well I (and others) speak our second or third language.

edit²: sorry for the derail, everyone! I'd suggest to take it to PMs from here.
MaGariShun
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria305 Posts
March 17 2011 16:43 GMT
#2158
AFAIK Koreans learn English from pretty early on, but keep in mind, that especially those progamers have often left school in early years to follow their career path. Im sure koreans with a higher eduaction can speak english fluently. If you watched the GSL group picking (w/e it is called) show, you'll see that the commentators understand the foreigners and there are also some videos of them speaking english (like
).

I definately agree that its awesome and respectful from them to try doing it in english.

Also keep in mind that the western languages are pretty much all related, so syntax is quite similar. Korean (and other asian languages) on the other hand are completely different.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 16:52:29
March 17 2011 16:48 GMT
#2159
On March 18 2011 01:43 MaGariShun wrote:
AFAIK Koreans learn English from pretty early on, but keep in mind, that especially those progamers have often left school in early years to follow their career path. Im sure koreans with a higher eduaction can speak english fluently. If you watched the GSL group picking (w/e it is called) show, you'll see that the commentators understand the foreigners and there are also some videos of them speaking english (like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpQxy8ZdIDE ).

I definately agree that its awesome and respectful from them to try doing it in english.

Also keep in mind that the western languages are pretty much all related, so syntax is quite similar. Korean (and other asian languages) on the other hand are completely different.
Oh yeah, that's a very good point I hadn't really thought about, actually.

If I compare other high-level athletes (like say, certain players in the German Bundesliga) instead of regular students... this suddenly gets much closer to the level of proficiency on display. I guess it was my fault to think of these guys as regular high school/university students instead of athletes.


The English of the commentator in that video is what I'd call good, given the circumstances. I guess that's kind of the level I expected across the board.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 16:57:16
March 17 2011 16:56 GMT
#2160
On March 18 2011 01:29 MagnusHyperion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 01:14 Bobster wrote:
To be honest, I was a bit shocked by the lack of English skills some of the Startale guys showed.

The oGs guys were better, but not by much. It was the sort of differences you'd pick up being around English speaking people more, I guess.


I gather English is not taught at Korean schools? Which foreign languages are on the school curriculum in Korea?


Hey, guy, how much Korean do you know? Maybe before you start negatively criticizing people who are doing their best to try to speak English you stop and think about the significance of this. After all, Korean-to-English or English-to-Korean are some of the hardest language transitions for, literally, anyone. FYI, according to NPR, English is taught at a very young age almost universally to students in Korea but, as I mentioned, the languages are so incredibly different that it's hard for them to do well with it. The command of ~300 English words I heard from the ST guys was pretty impressive considering China is pumping billions into getting their population educated enough to use ~1000 in like 10 years (according to NPR). Anyhow, my point is don't be so hasty to throw negative energy at some guys who spend 12 hours a day playing video games for your enjoyment when they can't speak one of the hardest languages for them to learn. Perhaps you should phrase it as, "I was impressed at how hard they tried, despite not having a good command of vocabulary."

Anyhow, I'll put this frankly, as a person who watched a lot of BW, I was/am infinitely pleased to see Korean pro gamers speaking ANY English. I was actually clapping my hands and jumping up and down in my chair when I saw July Zerg had put up a video! This was the first time I have ever heard these guys speak English in such quantity, several minutes of them speaking is impressive! Korean progamers doing this is actually unprecedented by it's strictest definition! Hell, I even remember seeing foreign reporters struggling to get Bisu to say one or two words in English and Russian.

Seeing Korean Progamers stepping outside their comfort zone and doing something like this makes me exceptionally happy!

Also, did anyone else notice that most Western players mentioned that they didn't have rivals, while Koreans almost uniformly had rivals? (Even MC's comments reeked of giving the middle finger to every player out there) It's a curious little side note I thought worth mentioning.

You liked the startale videos because you like the players. Be honest, what could July have said in the video that would have made you dislike it? I suspect there is nothing.
From an unbiased, rational perspective they were not very good. They seemed to be done in just one take, reading a few sentences (that were maybe just phonetics) from a paper. For the most sentences I could not make out what they were meant to mean.They were also the shortest videos of all players.

That said I dont think that it really matters how good this videos were, nor do I think its necessary for the Koreans to speak English. Just saying that labeling these vids as "impressive, amazing efforts, best video" and so on is nonsense from a neutral observers perspective.
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