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Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
March 03 2011 10:55 GMT
#681
On March 03 2011 19:52 Deadlyfish wrote:
MorroW isnt gonna beat glade, isnt his ZvZ terrible? Moonglade just seems so much stronger.


MorroW's ZvZ isn't super refined, his upgrade and droning/making unit timings are a tiny bit off (sill high class of course). However.. MorroWs micro is out of this world and that is certainly useful in a zvz.
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
March 03 2011 10:56 GMT
#682
When is the next match so confusing.
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
Sensator
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia377 Posts
March 03 2011 10:56 GMT
#683
All these people turning on IdrA as soon as he makes a mistake, shame on you guys. You don't understand the weight that was on his shoulders in that game, he's human, humans make mistakes, get over it.
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
March 03 2011 10:57 GMT
#684
sc starts after this interview
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
March 03 2011 10:57 GMT
#685
yeah why isn't Apollo casting this?
swanny_11
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia46 Posts
March 03 2011 10:57 GMT
#686
ads play perfect then stream wont load??
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 10:58:31
March 03 2011 10:58 GMT
#687
On March 03 2011 19:57 tyrless wrote:
yeah why isn't Apollo casting this?


he just answered that on page 34
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
March 03 2011 10:58 GMT
#688
On March 03 2011 19:35 sniverty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 19:25 kNyTTyM wrote:

Let me try to really simplify why making a comeback is too hard for zerg.
To comeback you really have three chances. First is winning a major turning battle, second is overexpanding, third is winning several small skirmishes. In brood war that third option was more prevalent and you even had a forth option of rushing a game changing tech (defiler, carrier, etc). So option 1 really doesn't work too well in sc2 anymore.

Getting 7 bases up as zerg doesn't really do much because saturating 3 bases with minerals already puts you at the maximum number of drones you want. Also with that protoss position at 12, any hint of low unit count from idra scouted via obs will result in an instant attack into the main. 5 second attack distance gives no time to play greedy. In this case protoss is going to play defensive until 200/200 unless he sees no units from zerg.

Another option is winning a key battle by overinvesting in units and hoping protoss makes a bad attack. Protoss can prevent this loss by turtling to 200/200.

Lastly is using small cost effective skirmishes until you make up your disadvantage. Zerg really doesn't have this option except for drop and countering. Protoss defend this by playing defensive and turtling.

So now what option does zerg have outside of these ways? Banking on better mechanics like in brood war just doesn't work. I know this is extremely simplified but I can't really think of any other way.


I know it's hard, perhaps even nearly impossible. I never said that zerg can easily make a comeback against such a powerful army. All I said was, IdrA needs to try. Protoss' strength lies in it's exceptionally powerful ball-of-death. But that can also be seen as a weakness, those units need to stick close to each other for maximum efficiency. So why not attack at different places? A poke at Squirtle's natural would've done one of two things. 1. Squirtle says "screw it" and roflstomps IdrA's main and natural, but also leaving his main open to IdrA's army, potentially losing all unit producing capability. 2. Squirtle retreats to his natural with some warp-ins and slow colossi.

So, why would IdrA not try poking at the natural? If he thinks he's going to lose, might as well make it hard for the protoss, make it such that you don't face the protoss in a head to head battle.

Would you face a really strong army head on, or would you attack where he is weakest and go for a base trade?


That's exactly what the attack at 12 was. How many more of those did you want to see? Hitting 12 had the highest chance of success with his slow ass hydras mixed in so he tried it. Squirtle got in position too fast and that was that. He may have not been economically behind (I don't remember where he was exactly) but positionally he was in deep shit. Another attempt would basically be the equivalent of a second round of zerglings from a 6pool after the first failed. It just wasn't going to happen in this spot.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
March 03 2011 10:58 GMT
#689
On March 03 2011 19:57 tyrless wrote:
yeah why isn't Apollo casting this?


'cause Day9 +TLO, Day9 + Rotti, TLO+Rotti are all about 10x better than any DApollo archon. They have been incredibly good, great choice by ESL/IEM.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
March 03 2011 10:58 GMT
#690
I think rotterdam, tlo and day9 works great in all combinations. Really great casting thruout this whole tournament.
-,-
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
March 03 2011 10:59 GMT
#691
I so want Morrow to win... and then win all IEM...
Look on Idra face then should be priceless
BasilPesto
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia624 Posts
March 03 2011 10:59 GMT
#692
Battle of the sex godssssssss.
"I before E...*sunglasses*... except after C." - Jim Carrey
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
March 03 2011 10:59 GMT
#693
interviewing morrow and moonglade about zvz
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
March 03 2011 10:59 GMT
#694
Comon Morrow you can do it!!!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
March 03 2011 10:59 GMT
#695
omg take.. speak english =[
www.root-gaming.com
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 11:00:42
March 03 2011 11:00 GMT
#696
moonglade look like he had a rough night

also sick interview lol
Imhotep
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden267 Posts
March 03 2011 11:00 GMT
#697
MorroW looking awkward with the girl again <3 :D Heja Stefan!
"The world is a dynamic mess of jiggling things." - Richard Feynman
DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
March 03 2011 11:00 GMT
#698
Lol @ moonglade posing.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
March 03 2011 11:01 GMT
#699
On March 03 2011 19:58 SayTT wrote:
I think rotterdam, tlo and day9 works great in all combinations. Really great casting thruout this whole tournament.

Yeah and Rotterdam is always so cute when hes casting ! :-)
4649!!
myfriendspro
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
March 03 2011 11:01 GMT
#700
moonglade is such a baller
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