EPTOn March 03 2011 18:50 -Strider- wrote:
I will pray for not having a PvP finals
I will pray for not having a PvP finals
It's most likely going to Happen, unless Moon can pull of some sick Builds.
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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
It's most likely going to Happen, unless Moon can pull of some sick Builds. | ||
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Gunman_csz
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: It's always better to wait in your main with an arc as well as sunken spore than to go into a sure loss fight obviously. But wasting more resources on spore will make him more behind, there is no need for squirtle to attack, he can just sit on his third and keep massing the deathball while simultaneously expanding at further positions. It was an unwinable position. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:47 Eury wrote: Don't draw conclusions based on a couple of games. What he says is correct though. Idra is probably a better player than Moon but ZvP is by far Idras weakest matchup. He tries to make it sound like ZvP is completely broken when other players manage to win where he doesn't. Idra is the person having trouble beating Protoss players, not zergs in general. At least not so far in this tournament or in Assembly before it. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: It's always better to wait in your main with an arc as well as sunken spore than to go into a sure loss fight obviously. If your intention is to survive a little longer then yeah. But I think his mentality is I kill this 3rd or be forced into a extremely difficult situations. We all know IdrA as an emotional player, he probably doesnt believe he can win if that toss gets that expo up. | ||
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Ashby
Australia204 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:48 dubRa wrote: Try to update your flash player. It worked for me. How do I update my flash player? Because I'm getting huge lag also. | ||
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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philly5man
United Kingdom356 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:50 KiNGxXx wrote: No, it's ok. Next SC2 game will be in around an hour.  Oh OK, thank you. An hour for Jinro! | ||
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Sephimos
United States144 Posts
Iono, I don't want to armchair general someone like idrA. That being said, I'll be glad when it's MLG time and retarded spawn locations are eliminated. | ||
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Huckleuro
United Kingdom294 Posts
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:52 DrainX wrote: What he says is correct though. Idra is probably a better player than Moon but ZvP is by far Idras weakest matchup. He tries to make it sound like ZvP is completely broken when other players manage to win where he doesn't. Idra is the person having trouble beating Protoss players, not zergs in general. At least not so far in this tournament or in Assembly before it. thats still an extremely small sample size regardless. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:51 idonthinksobro wrote: the roach rush wasnt failed, Idra forced cannons and killed the cyber core it was decent - normally if you go for ~5 roaches you dont expect to kill your opponent or do any damage at all. his follow up was poor after delaying the core he should have made a lot more drones than he did - but the engagement he did was somewhat decent - waiting for voidray colossi to get cricital mass with the possibility to reeinforce with gateway units in your base basically is a bad spot. Yeah could have dragged the game out rebuild his tech at another base and stuff but against a somewhat decent player that game is over. Forcing a few cannons at that point in the game mean nothing. Making units for Zerg = falling behind in econ if you don't kill any workers, while making a few cannons for Protoss = sacrifice 6 zealots which are almost worthless anyhow. ZvP on even worker/base count is an AWFUL position to be in compounded by the fact that the P was set up about 2 inches from Idra's main. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:52 DrainX wrote: What he says is correct though. Idra is probably a better player than Moon but ZvP is by far Idras weakest matchup. He tries to make it sound like ZvP is completely broken when other players manage to win where he doesn't. Idra is the person having trouble beating Protoss players, not zergs in general. At least not so far in this tournament or in Assembly before it. Maybe atm he is... but moon obviously has a ton more potential. I doubt idra will get much better then he currently is (superb macro, mediocore everything else). | ||
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:50 Bobble wrote: the latter. IdrA hasn't really trained against protoss, Moon, on the other hand, has ZvP down pat. wat? Moon did all-ins every game. And honestly? I think that's the best way to play ZvP right now. Late game toss is ludicrous. The fact that idra barely won game 4 is evidence of that, 3 base fully saturated vs toss on 2, and he still nearly lost. Don't ask me why Toss has the counter to the counter of the counter to hydras, which you can force by going SG anyways. Pretty obvious there are issues here. Moon has been ignoring them by Allinning :x Edit: I went one too many counters. Hydra<collo<corrupter<voidray | ||
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Gunman_csz
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:53 GP wrote: I don't get how people can make excuses for Idra. Yes it's very hard to come back when Protoss are up a base, but not impossible. And if you're going to all-in, why pick the worst possible position imaginable? It was a silly all-in by Idra there, third base or not. He could have waited for corrupter, stalled with spine crawlers while he relocated his tech, or just try and counter attack the main where the terrain would have been much less optimal for toss. Yo do realize zerg needs massive economy advantage to overcome the protoss deathball, he was already behind when the third went up. | ||
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Broodwich
United States393 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:53 GP wrote: I don't get how people can make excuses for Idra. Yes it's very hard to come back when Protoss are up a base, but not impossible. And if you're going to all-in, why pick the worst possible position imaginable? It was a silly all-in by Idra there, third base or not. He could have waited for corrupter, stalled with spine crawlers while he relocated his tech, or just try and counter attack the main where the terrain would have been much less optimal for toss. I was more surprised that he chose the 5 RR for his early rush. Toss usually FEs on that map, 7 pool or 10 pool (as Dario noted) can be deadly against that. | ||
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vanhio
Niue1017 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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