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KonohaFlash
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1590 Posts
March 03 2011 09:51 GMT
#541
On March 03 2011 18:50 -Strider- wrote:
I will pray for not having a PvP finals


It's most likely going to Happen, unless Moon can pull of some sick Builds.
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
March 03 2011 09:51 GMT
#542
On March 03 2011 18:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:46 Angelbelow wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:43 ChApFoU wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:40 Angelbelow wrote:
YES it was a bad engagement but TLO just explained it perfectly. Protoss on 3base is incredibly tough to play against.


His chances of winning would still have been better if he choose not to attack rather than charging a collossi, sentry, stalker army in an alley with no air support.

Maybe he thought Squirtle would have only one Collossus by the time.


Absolutely false. Squirtle would have destroyed his main by abusing that back way. Ive seen Incontrol do it over and over on his stream. Its pretty rough for Zerg. IdrA was already behind after his roach bust got scouted. Squirtles army was already pretty scary too.

If you dont believe me at least trust what TLO has to say. He summed it up perfectly.

It's always better to wait in your main with an arc as well as sunken spore than to go into a sure loss fight obviously.


But wasting more resources on spore will make him more behind, there is no need for squirtle to attack, he can just sit on his third and keep massing the deathball while simultaneously expanding at further positions.

It was an unwinable position.
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#543
On March 03 2011 18:47 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


Don't draw conclusions based on a couple of games.

What he says is correct though. Idra is probably a better player than Moon but ZvP is by far Idras weakest matchup. He tries to make it sound like ZvP is completely broken when other players manage to win where he doesn't. Idra is the person having trouble beating Protoss players, not zergs in general. At least not so far in this tournament or in Assembly before it.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 09:54:51
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#544
On March 03 2011 18:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:46 Angelbelow wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:43 ChApFoU wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:40 Angelbelow wrote:
YES it was a bad engagement but TLO just explained it perfectly. Protoss on 3base is incredibly tough to play against.


His chances of winning would still have been better if he choose not to attack rather than charging a collossi, sentry, stalker army in an alley with no air support.

Maybe he thought Squirtle would have only one Collossus by the time.


Absolutely false. Squirtle would have destroyed his main by abusing that back way. Ive seen Incontrol do it over and over on his stream. Its pretty rough for Zerg. IdrA was already behind after his roach bust got scouted. Squirtles army was already pretty scary too.

If you dont believe me at least trust what TLO has to say. He summed it up perfectly.

It's always better to wait in your main with an arc as well as sunken spore than to go into a sure loss fight obviously.


If your intention is to survive a little longer then yeah. But I think his mentality is I kill this 3rd or be forced into a extremely difficult situations. We all know IdrA as an emotional player, he probably doesnt believe he can win if that toss gets that expo up.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Ashby
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia204 Posts
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#545
On March 03 2011 18:48 dubRa wrote:
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On March 03 2011 18:44 StUfF wrote:
Anyone having issues with the IEM streams?

I'm getting disconnected/frozen images very often but it was very smooth the last two days.


Try to update your flash player. It worked for me.


How do I update my flash player? Because I'm getting huge lag also.
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SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#546
Wtf is with everyone saying crap like" but there is no excuses why he lost so badly it was just very bad play from him and it makes me sick." seriosly? He just played an incredibley hard series and went 2-3 and people are just shitting all over him.
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
philly5man
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom356 Posts
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#547
On March 03 2011 18:50 KiNGxXx wrote:
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On March 03 2011 18:49 philly5man wrote:
Event 2 stream is counterstrike for me - is my player not working correctly or?

No, it's ok. Next SC2 game will be in around an hour.



Oh OK, thank you. An hour for Jinro!
Sephimos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States144 Posts
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#548
I can't help but wonder if going corrupter instead of hydras wouldn't have been preferable in that last game situation. Squirtle has been extremely predictable this tournament, air > colossi every single time, I don't get why idrA wouldn't start getting a critical corrupter force quickly. Corrupters could even ward off air units better, which is the only reason idrA got the hydras.

Iono, I don't want to armchair general someone like idrA.

That being said, I'll be glad when it's MLG time and retarded spawn locations are eliminated.
You see!! YOU SEEEEE!! -Sen
Huckleuro
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom294 Posts
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#549
Did i just see Day9 poke his head into the background of the CS commentary with a massive cheesy grin on?
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#550
Go watch GSL and support Jinro(playing in about 5 mins) while waiting for Moonglade vs Morrow(about an hour)!
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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
March 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#551
On March 03 2011 18:52 DrainX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:47 Eury wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


Don't draw conclusions based on a couple of games.

What he says is correct though. Idra is probably a better player than Moon but ZvP is by far Idras weakest matchup. He tries to make it sound like ZvP is completely broken when other players manage to win where he doesn't. Idra is the person having trouble beating Protoss players, not zergs in general. At least not so far in this tournament or in Assembly before it.

thats still an extremely small sample size regardless.
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
March 03 2011 09:53 GMT
#552
I don't get how people can make excuses for Idra. Yes it's very hard to come back when Protoss are up a base, but not impossible. And if you're going to all-in, why pick the worst possible position imaginable? It was a silly all-in by Idra there, third base or not. He could have waited for corrupter, stalled with spine crawlers while he relocated his tech, or just try and counter attack the main where the terrain would have been much less optimal for toss.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 09:54:43
March 03 2011 09:53 GMT
#553
On March 03 2011 18:51 idonthinksobro wrote:
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On March 03 2011 18:44 Malinor wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:39 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
People don't understand, the Protoss who was already somewhat ahead in economy would've easily won the game with his 3rd up inbetween their bases and constant Collossi harass.

But then again, people don't understand hehe ;P


I believe people do understand. But even when the situation is bad, that is no reason to engage at the worst possible angle on the map. Commiting suicide (because he had to know that fight was unwinable) is not something I would do when otherwise there still might be a fighting chance later on. Squirtle still can mess up.

But of course, after the failed Roach-Rush it was an uphill battle. But you are not forced to let that scotuing probe into your base, so still Idras own fault.


the roach rush wasnt failed, Idra forced cannons and killed the cyber core it was decent - normally if you go for ~5 roaches you dont expect to kill your opponent or do any damage at all.

his follow up was poor after delaying the core he should have made a lot more drones than he did - but the engagement he did was somewhat decent - waiting for voidray colossi to get cricital mass with the possibility to reeinforce with gateway units in your base basically is a bad spot.

Yeah could have dragged the game out rebuild his tech at another base and stuff but against a somewhat decent player that game is over.

Forcing a few cannons at that point in the game mean nothing. Making units for Zerg = falling behind in econ if you don't kill any workers, while making a few cannons for Protoss = sacrifice 6 zealots which are almost worthless anyhow. ZvP on even worker/base count is an AWFUL position to be in compounded by the fact that the P was set up about 2 inches from Idra's main.
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
March 03 2011 09:54 GMT
#554
On March 03 2011 18:52 DrainX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:47 Eury wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


Don't draw conclusions based on a couple of games.

What he says is correct though. Idra is probably a better player than Moon but ZvP is by far Idras weakest matchup. He tries to make it sound like ZvP is completely broken when other players manage to win where he doesn't. Idra is the person having trouble beating Protoss players, not zergs in general. At least not so far in this tournament or in Assembly before it.

Maybe atm he is... but moon obviously has a ton more potential.

I doubt idra will get much better then he currently is (superb macro, mediocore everything else).
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
Ultramus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 10:03:50
March 03 2011 09:54 GMT
#555
On March 03 2011 18:50 Bobble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


the latter. IdrA hasn't really trained against protoss, Moon, on the other hand, has ZvP down pat.


wat?


Moon did all-ins every game. And honestly? I think that's the best way to play ZvP right now. Late game toss is ludicrous. The fact that idra barely won game 4 is evidence of that, 3 base fully saturated vs toss on 2, and he still nearly lost. Don't ask me why Toss has the counter to the counter of the counter to hydras, which you can force by going SG anyways. Pretty obvious there are issues here. Moon has been ignoring them by Allinning :x

Edit: I went one too many counters. Hydra<collo<corrupter<voidray
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Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#556
On March 03 2011 18:53 GP wrote:
I don't get how people can make excuses for Idra. Yes it's very hard to come back when Protoss are up a base, but not impossible. And if you're going to all-in, why pick the worst possible position imaginable? It was a silly all-in by Idra there, third base or not. He could have waited for corrupter, stalled with spine crawlers while he relocated his tech, or just try and counter attack the main where the terrain would have been much less optimal for toss.


Yo do realize zerg needs massive economy advantage to overcome the protoss deathball, he was already behind when the third went up.
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
Broodwich
Profile Joined February 2009
United States393 Posts
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#557
On March 03 2011 18:53 GP wrote:
I don't get how people can make excuses for Idra. Yes it's very hard to come back when Protoss are up a base, but not impossible. And if you're going to all-in, why pick the worst possible position imaginable? It was a silly all-in by Idra there, third base or not. He could have waited for corrupter, stalled with spine crawlers while he relocated his tech, or just try and counter attack the main where the terrain would have been much less optimal for toss.


I was more surprised that he chose the 5 RR for his early rush. Toss usually FEs on that map, 7 pool or 10 pool (as Dario noted) can be deadly against that.
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#558
Link for replays ?
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#559
Idra's roach pressure would have been a lot more effective if Squirtle didn't go stargate. Once that voidray was out he denied Idra's third, and that's where everything really went downhill.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#560
Pokeman is still hanging in there, you can do it!
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