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IndridCold
Profile Joined August 2010
United States385 Posts
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#561
everyone saying that it was an unwinable position if squirtle got a 3rd up there needs to look at squirtles micro (or lack there of) in game 1............ he let like 6 collosi get picked off without taking out a single corrupter. IdrA needs to try to win these "impossible" games sometimes. We've seen people come back, and that 1 time it happens in 100 tries could be game 5 of the quarter finals at the IEM World Championship.
Evil Geniuses needs a LoL team.... Pobelter/Altec fan
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#562
For anyone following both this and the gsl PLEASE make sure you post in the correct thread when Jinro win or lose.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Zorkey
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands167 Posts
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#563
<-- Idra fan
<-- Sooo sad ;<<<<<

but he will do better in the future. hes still far ahead compared to other "Foreigners".

Oh well switching to GSL, Jinro is starting!
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 09:56:14
March 03 2011 09:55 GMT
#564
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Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51712 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 09:56:39
March 03 2011 09:56 GMT
#565
Slightly off-topic, but is there a gif yet of the epic chair-fall of Day[9] from Day 1?
Commentator
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 03 2011 09:56 GMT
#566
i disagree with attacking there being the lesser of two evils.

if he wanted to have just the slightest chance of winning. he might as well just go and base trade and hit the natural or something. There was no way he can win that fight without corruptors going down the choke.

Or he could have waited for spire as it was just completed and make a few corruptors and went all in anyway.

No doubt he was in a very bad situation due to the failed roach aggression. But i still think that was a bad decision.
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
March 03 2011 09:56 GMT
#567
On March 03 2011 18:50 Bobble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


the latter. IdrA hasn't really trained against protoss, Moon, on the other hand, has ZvP down pat.


Maybe there's something to this. I've always thought of ZvT as Idra's best matchup.

It's funny, Moon beat Squirtle with Hydra drops, which I remember Idra doing in the beta after the roach nerfs.
Warent
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden205 Posts
March 03 2011 09:56 GMT
#568
On March 03 2011 18:48 KonohaFlash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:45 Leetley wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:39 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
People don't understand, the Protoss who was already somewhat ahead in economy would've easily won the game with his 3rd up inbetween their bases and constant Collossi harass.

But then again, people don't understand hehe ;P

Idra had 3rd base coming up and that engagement was just a terrible decision. He still had a change to win the game if he wouldn't have attacked there. Basically Idra just trashed everything.


Yea, so he should just let Squirtle get his third up, which is right next to Idra's main and allow him to slowly creep up with his army and slowly destroy Idra's base?

I'm pretty sure Idra knows what he's doing and the fact he committed to the engagement means that he had to prevent the third from going up.


Obviously the decision to attack wasn't the best decision. He might have lost later on anyway if he instead decided to let the toss get his third base up, but we will never know.
"More drones!"
Greekarmy
Profile Joined May 2010
Greece66 Posts
March 03 2011 09:56 GMT
#569
On March 03 2011 18:55 nihlon wrote:
For anyone following both this and the gsl PLEASE make sure you post in the correct thread when Jinro win or lose.


You mean when Jinro wins?
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 09:58:15
March 03 2011 09:57 GMT
#570
On March 03 2011 18:52 DrainX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:47 Eury wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


Don't draw conclusions based on a couple of games.

What he says is correct though. Idra is probably a better player than Moon but ZvP is by far Idras weakest matchup. He tries to make it sound like ZvP is completely broken when other players manage to win where he doesn't. Idra is the person having trouble beating Protoss players, not zergs in general. At least not so far in this tournament or in Assembly before it.

The Protoss in Assembly obviously aren't as good as Korean Toss (PvZ). Had this been Socke vs Idra, he probably would've taken it, recall he did beat WhiteRa 2 days ago.

I haven't seen any Zerg do well against the top Toss, particularly when they play well.
PressureTested
Profile Joined June 2003
Australia83 Posts
March 03 2011 09:57 GMT
#571
On March 03 2011 18:56 GTR wrote:
Slightly off-topic, but is there a gif yet of the epic chair-fall of Day[9] from Day 1?


yes we need this plz! get on it people
You can't teach that
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
March 03 2011 09:58 GMT
#572
On March 03 2011 18:50 Bobble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


the latter. IdrA hasn't really trained against protoss, Moon, on the other hand, has ZvP down pat.

Moon has said he plays mostly on ladder the same as Idra because he only has 2 sc2 team mates and i dont think either of them play P I know lyn plays T not sure about Soccer.

A lot of people assumed Moon would be bad but both Moon and Lyn have improved a lot now they are spending more time on SC2.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
March 03 2011 09:58 GMT
#573
On March 03 2011 18:52 DrainX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:47 Eury wrote:
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


Don't draw conclusions based on a couple of games.

What he says is correct though. Idra is probably a better player than Moon but ZvP is by far Idras weakest matchup. He tries to make it sound like ZvP is completely broken when other players manage to win where he doesn't. Idra is the person having trouble beating Protoss players, not zergs in general. At least not so far in this tournament or in Assembly before it.

Absolutely false and any korean zerg can attest to that. Squirtle just played poorly against Moon and Moonglade.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
March 03 2011 09:58 GMT
#574
Idra's issue with every match up, is hes 99.9% predictable in everything he does but makes up for it with great mechanics, when he runs into people that know how to exploit his game he loses.
walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
March 03 2011 09:58 GMT
#575
What a disappointing, but predictable, way to end the game. If IdrA's idea of 'strategy' is choosing the worst possible time and place to attack (with a unit composition that is pretty damned bad), it's no wonder he decided to leave Korea.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
March 03 2011 09:59 GMT
#576
Nooooooooo, I am going to IEM on saturday and now Idra won't be playing.... T_T

I'm so going to throw this to Squirtles head:
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zYwi3c
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland1811 Posts
March 03 2011 09:59 GMT
#577
Well, idra was always saying that ZvP is his worst matchup. Squirtle is very good protoss.
We cant blame IdrA for this attack, he just couldnt let Squirtle get 3rd base ;<
I'm getting the derection.
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
March 03 2011 09:59 GMT
#578
On March 03 2011 18:55 Irrelevant wrote:
Pokeman is still hanging in there, you can do it!


The only way to beat Squirtle is to find a new player called Bulbasaur.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
March 03 2011 09:59 GMT
#579
IdrA.. nooo .. oh well - there is always MLG hehe
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Sephimos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States144 Posts
March 03 2011 09:59 GMT
#580
Other tournaments need to follow MLG's lead and eliminate horizontal spawns on Shakuras, it's such an absurd advantage for Terran//Protoss vs Zerg. Horizontal spawns on Shak are what maps would look like, if Blizz specifically asked Protoss and Terran players, "How can we make a map, where Zerg almost cannot possibly win"?

I say this as a Master's League toss, there have been so many games I've won on horizontal Shak against Z where I thought afterwards, "Man, thank god that map is so imba".
You see!! YOU SEEEEE!! -Sen
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