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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
March 03 2011 09:45 GMT
#501
How come there wasn't an interview between the players? I would have liked to heard their thoughts on the series =\
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
March 03 2011 09:45 GMT
#502
On March 03 2011 18:39 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
People don't understand, the Protoss who was already somewhat ahead in economy would've easily won the game with his 3rd up inbetween their bases and constant Collossi harass.

But then again, people don't understand hehe ;P

Idra had 3rd base coming up and that engagement was just a terrible decision. He still had a change to win the game if he wouldn't have attacked there. Basically Idra just trashed everything.
sigol
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom134 Posts
March 03 2011 09:45 GMT
#503
On March 03 2011 18:43 entlassen wrote:
who's squirtle fighting in the semis? ace, moon, or the winner of the next match?

he plays moon
I'm the man who has the ball, I'm the man who can throw it faster than fuck.
Astans
Profile Joined October 2010
205 Posts
March 03 2011 09:45 GMT
#504
Protoss late game vs zerg is very strong in these chokepoints. Blink stalkers, colossus moving up and down elevation levels, and forcefields are a deadly combination.

Maybe what zerg was missing was not bigger maps but more open maps. Looking forward to see if zergs find a counter.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 09:47:23
March 03 2011 09:45 GMT
#505
Idra only got into the do-or-die situation in the first place because of his failed half-hearted attack on Squirtle's front in the beginning. He should've either went all-in completely or just drone up hard and all-in push later. His economy was basically equal to Squirtle's all game all because of that, which is a disaster in ZvP.

Either way, close spawns on Shakuras like that is a near unwinnable game, unless you have a MASSIVE econ advantage which Idra most certainly did not have.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 09:47:28
March 03 2011 09:45 GMT
#506
On March 03 2011 18:38 TechnoBoy wrote:
picked the worst spot to fight and kept forcing it


On March 03 2011 18:38 DusTerr wrote:
Very poor engagement choice - however squirtle may have been able to just deny a retreat anyway


You dont seem to realize, that even if he had his spire up, if you let the P establish a base inches away from you, your main base is gone. If your control is very good you can delay it, and you might go that road if you have your 4th coming up. Idra's 3rd was delayed he did not even had that running yet i think. It didnt matter if he lost there trying to kill him off before canons and critical ammount of colossi hit or with corruptors vs a fortified P position. I guess idra thought this way he has liek 30% chance to win, the other way close to 0
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
doihy
Profile Joined August 2010
668 Posts
March 03 2011 09:45 GMT
#507
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
March 03 2011 09:46 GMT
#508
On March 03 2011 18:44 SpiffD wrote:
lol i can't wait for TLO's match later. Did anyone catch when he was playing ?

14:55 CET

But ofc it can be delayed.
But I am a little bit afraid that he didn't have the preparation for it because of his casting. Will be very tough against Hasu.
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
March 03 2011 09:46 GMT
#509
On March 03 2011 18:44 SpiffD wrote:
lol i can't wait for TLO's match later. Did anyone catch when he was playing ?


14:00 GMT (+00:00)
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
March 03 2011 09:46 GMT
#510
On March 03 2011 18:43 ChApFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 18:40 Angelbelow wrote:
YES it was a bad engagement but TLO just explained it perfectly. Protoss on 3base is incredibly tough to play against.


His chances of winning would still have been better if he choose not to attack rather than charging a collossi, sentry, stalker army in an alley with no air support.

Maybe he thought Squirtle would have only one Collossus by the time.


Absolutely false. Squirtle would have destroyed his main by abusing that back way. Ive seen Incontrol do it over and over on his stream. Its pretty rough for Zerg. IdrA was already behind after his roach bust got scouted. Squirtles army was already pretty scary too.

If you dont believe me at least trust what TLO has to say. He summed it up perfectly.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
March 03 2011 09:46 GMT
#511
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.

lol, what has moon done in the GSL? That's a much better barometer of skill. What you're implying is beyond silly.
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
March 03 2011 09:46 GMT
#512
squirtle played it smart, and executed fairly well. Protoss air builds against zerg have been so strong. Unfortunate positions obviously though for idra.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
March 03 2011 09:47 GMT
#513
Well against a 3base-Protoss it is hard. But there is a little timing window until the base really "kicks in"!
I think, if he retreated after all those FFs went up, waited a round of reinforcements and attacked against maybe just half the FFs (and maybe even corruptors) he could had have a better chance!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
March 03 2011 09:47 GMT
#514
On March 03 2011 18:45 doihy wrote:
How come Moon is able to beat Squirtle, but IdrA can't? Hmmmmm...... Idra has to admit either, Moon is better than him, or Moon plays differently in ZvP that allows him to beat most protoss (squirtle, socke) easily.


Don't draw conclusions based on a couple of games.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
March 03 2011 09:47 GMT
#515
You'd rather have a situation which is difficult to win than one that is impossible. That was Idra's stubborn 'fuck it all' mindset showing.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
March 03 2011 09:47 GMT
#516
That wasn't the worst possible choke. They were closer toward the middle of the back alley, which meant Squirtle needed multiple forcefields to split. If Idra didn't engage there, then Squirtle would then hold his back ramp, which obviously is no bueno.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
March 03 2011 09:47 GMT
#517
On March 03 2011 18:47 Longshank wrote:
You'd rather have a situation which is difficult to win than one that is impossible. That was Idra's stubborn 'fuck it all' mindset showing.

No, it was him choosing the lesser of two evils.
Broodwich
Profile Joined February 2009
United States393 Posts
March 03 2011 09:48 GMT
#518
On March 03 2011 18:44 idonthinksobro wrote:
all squirtle can do is abuse stuff, he didnt play a single straight up macro game ever.

Well i think the last attack from idra was OK, if that third bases goes up and squirtle puts cannons there the game is over too - he didnt have a spire down? did he? so trying to engage there was probably the best thing to do - i wonder what people have said if idra just didnt engange there and died like 10 minutes later.

What Idra did really poorly is not scout that squirtle is breaking his rocks - even if a phenix killed his spotter overlord thats the most important thing to replace.


That scouting point was a non-issue. He had NO chance at the point in the game. He could have seen the rocks get broken and it wouldn't have mattered. Squirtle's army size and composition were going to wreck what Idra had. It wasn't a scouting issue, he was incredibly behind after the roach rush.
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
March 03 2011 09:48 GMT
#519
opening speedling against a forge-expand is autoloss IMO. There is nothing you do to with 2nexus (chrono), acess to 4gas, and a wall.

Ty blizzard.
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
March 03 2011 09:48 GMT
#520
So it was 3-2 to Squirtle? 5 games in an hour? Shame it was so pointlessly early.
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