EPT[IEM] Day 3 - Page 25
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:38 n0ise wrote: 'nobody saw that coming' hmm? Just what I thought. After Idra saying for weeks he can't beat protoss it's not weird he got eliminated by Squirtle, Especially after he won 4 of 5 matches tuesday and only got wrecked by a toss. ZvP is quite clearly his weakest MU by far. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:40 meRz wrote: Still a really shitty decision. He could've waited for corruptors and taken a 4th, there was no way Squirtle would push just yet and idras Spire just went up. Saying IdrA had no choice doesn't really make sense. No, it does not. If he did not attack, cannon + colossus push would of killed idras main. It's just as effective as turret/tank. Colossi just have to stay around the cannons and stalkers and corruptors cannot cnipe them (they don't have vikings 9 range) Even if he waited, colossus can attack the lair basically from the opening to the choke, another area he cannot attack. | ||
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entlassen
United States139 Posts
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:40 meRz wrote: Still a really shitty decision. He could've waited for corruptors and taken a 4th, there was no way Squirtle would push just yet and idras Spire just went up. Saying IdrA had no choice doesn't really make sense. His 3rd was later and his main was going down if that third base finished for protoss (which it would if he didn't engage). There was no right decision to be made at that point. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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Saragas
Germany431 Posts
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:41 Spectorials wrote: The decision was: - Lose now by not attacking and letting toss get 3 bases (none of which could be attacked). - Try to kill the toss army while the Colossus count is low and catch him out while he is moving out. I think he made the right decision to move down. The reason why he lost is because he scouted that late and also his spire was not done... ... you are going to catch colossus w/sentries in a narrow passage without corrupters? please show me the replays | ||
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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:41 ooni wrote: You don't seem to understand though, expanding would been better. That was just pure suicide 0 chance of winning against protoss in small choke with collosus and FF. Idra was put on a bad spot and made a mistake it's pretty simple. A lot of players had made a lot of mistakes, idra isn't a god. He did have a 4th base lol. He had a 4th and another Macro hatch near his natural. The problem is the fact that Squirtle took his base inbetween the bases of himself and Idra. It's basically the same thing Terran does on this map with PF, except you can forcefield the choke. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2982 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:40 Angelbelow wrote: YES it was a bad engagement but TLO just explained it perfectly. Protoss on 3base is incredibly tough to play against. His chances of winning would still have been better if he choose not to attack rather than charging a collossi, sentry, stalker army in an alley with no air support. Maybe he thought Squirtle would have only one Collossus by the time. | ||
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MaleficOR
United States315 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:41 Felix_mk wrote: Massively disapointed in idra... This, I'm a huge IdrA fan and will always be rooting for him, but there is no excuses why he lost so badly it was just very bad play from him and it makes me sick. | ||
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:40 meRz wrote: Still a really shitty decision. He could've waited for corruptors and taken a 4th, there was no way Squirtle would push just yet and idras Spire just went up. Saying IdrA had no choice doesn't really make sense. he would have died while the 2-3 corrupter he could afford were spawning. I think some of the issue here is the time it takes the spire to finish, going lair, then hydra, then spire, then waiting for corrupters, you don't get them out in the time it takes a toss to get 2 collo chronoed out of a robotics. | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
I'm getting disconnected/frozen images very often but it was very smooth the last two days. | ||
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Broodwich
United States393 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:42 Vorenius wrote: Just what I thought. After Idra saying for weeks he can't beat protoss it's not weird he got eliminated by Squirtle, Especially after he won 4 of 5 matches tuesday and only got wrecked by a toss. ZvP is quite clearly his weakest MU by far. Pretty sure in his interview with takesen post group play he said he didn't have confidence in his ZvP right now. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:43 Saragas wrote: Right now, ZvP isnt a good Match-Up for ANY Zerg :> True but I was trying to stay clear of any balance discussion  | ||
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Bobble
Australia1493 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:43 entlassen wrote: who's squirtle fighting in the semis? ace, moon, or the winner of the next match? He plays Moon. | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
Well i think the last attack from idra was OK, if that third bases goes up and squirtle puts cannons there the game is over too - he didnt have a spire down? did he? so trying to engage there was probably the best thing to do - i wonder what people have said if idra just didnt engange there and died like 10 minutes later. What Idra did really poorly is not scout that squirtle is breaking his rocks - even if a phenix killed his spotter overlord thats the most important thing to replace. | ||
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Saragas
Germany431 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:44 SpiffD wrote: lol i can't wait for TLO's match later. Did anyone catch when he was playing ? 14:55 CET. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4728 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:39 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: People don't understand, the Protoss who was already somewhat ahead in economy would've easily won the game with his 3rd up inbetween their bases and constant Collossi harass. But then again, people don't understand hehe ;P I believe people do understand. But even when the situation is bad, that is no reason to engage at the worst possible angle on the map. Commiting suicide (because he had to know that fight was unwinable) is not something I would do when otherwise there still might be a fighting chance later on. Squirtle still can mess up. But of course, after the failed Roach-Rush it was an uphill battle. But you are not forced to let that scotuing probe into your base, so still Idras own fault. | ||
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