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EG better not be late :p
gl to both
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Back to the mirror!
Really looking forward to Strelok vs IdrA though. I think it'll turn out like this.
MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslav
MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL
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Easy win for mouz i guess.
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EG upset 3-2 in ace match.
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3-1 Mouz in my opinion with IdrA taking EG's sole victory.
Would've liked to see IdrA vs MorroW, maybe in the ace match
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On February 21 2011 02:20 AxionSteel wrote:3-1 Mouz in my opinion with IdrA taking EG's sole victory. Would've liked to see IdrA vs MorroW, maybe in the ace match
I would honestly not want to see that as a final match man. Morrow has such a solid ZvP and ZvT but his ZvZ...... Dreamhack finals....... Ugh.....
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i think the acematch will be the deciding factor. pvps are quite volatile so can't really predict the results of those games and morrow his zvz just wasn't that good (in assembly, atleast) compared to strifecro's.
idra vs strelok is probably going to idra's favor
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2pvp
1zvz 
Think I'll just wait for the results. Good luck to both teams.
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MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslav
MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL
ACE
MouzMorroW <Jungle Basin> EGIdrA
imo
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On February 21 2011 02:26 IAttackYou wrote:
I would honestly not want to see that as a final match man. Morrow has such a solid ZvP and ZvT but his ZvZ...... Dreamhack finals....... Ugh.....
He doesn't seem to like roaches in ZvZ, which is pretty standard. A few minutes ago in the Go4SC2 he went 9pool spinecrawler rush to win after lings and banes in the first two matches.
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On February 21 2011 02:31 Mandalor wrote:
MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslav
MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL
ACE
MouzMorroW <Jungle Basin> EGIdrA
imo
I wouldn't expect Mouz to send MorroW. His ZvZ is terrible, and IdrA's is great. MaNa would be a more likely ace, I think, or Naama--someone without a huge matchup weakness. And that would make the last game a lot less predictable. This thing looks really close.
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don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^
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All mirror matches except for Strelok vs. Idra. Interesting, I guess this makes it more of a coin flip though given how deadly Mana is in PvP and Morrow in ZvZ I don't really see EG at an advantage here.
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I hope EG manages not to lose 1-3 and wins 3-2.
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On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^
What did Demuslim say?
In my opinion Morrow's ZvZ is really strong.
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I want an Idra vs Morrow acematch, that will be completely epic!
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On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? .
He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe.
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On February 21 2011 02:34 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:31 Mandalor wrote:
MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslav
MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL
ACE
MouzMorroW <Jungle Basin> EGIdrA
imo I wouldn't expect Mouz to send MorroW. His ZvZ is terrible, and IdrA's is great. MaNa would be a more likely ace, I think, or Naama--someone without a huge matchup weakness. And that would make the last game a lot less predictable. This thing looks really close.
Morrow's ZvZ is definitely not terrible, just because he played poorly in one series, he has a decent ZvZ record with plenty of wins, but I do agree that Mana is much more likely to be the Ace, especially considering a strong Protoss is Idra's admitted weakness.
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I'm actually expecting this match to be really close. Hopefully EG will take this.
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prediction:
(P)MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> (P)EGAxslav
(Z)MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> (Z)EGStrifeCro
(T)MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> (Z)EGIdrA
(P)MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> (P)EGiNcontroL
ACE
MouzStrelok<Jungle Basin> EGIdrA
I dunno if Axslav is gonna win but he looked godly on Incontrol's stream last night plus the guy seems to be really good at theorycrafting, so I think EG is gonna have a star on their hands.
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On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe.
Cool, he should say that to his teammates (e.g. Incontrol). Some people are judging to fast after watching one bo3 or bo5. It's like saying that Tyler and Huk are horrible in PvP after watching the Bo3 against Socke.
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On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe.
Out of what the 3 good zergs in europe 
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On February 21 2011 02:51 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe. Cool, he should say that to his teammates (e.g. Incontrol). Some people are judging to fast after watching one bo3 or bo5. It's like saying that Tyler and Huk are horrible in PvP after watching the Bo3 against Socke.
Lol did you even read his post, is DeMuslim gonna call Incontrol one of the best ZvZers in europe...
Also even if he was bigging up one of his team-mates, he wouldn't just sprout bullshit
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EG have the only pretty certain win with Idra (no disrespect to Strelok), the rest being mirror matches makes them all really hard to call (though MorroW really should beat StrifeCo).
I'd definitely give the edge to EG though due to the Idrafactor, for Mouz to stand a chance at winning they can't afford to even let it get to an ace match.
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On February 21 2011 02:53 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:51 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe. Cool, he should say that to his teammates (e.g. Incontrol). Some people are judging to fast after watching one bo3 or bo5. It's like saying that Tyler and Huk are horrible in PvP after watching the Bo3 against Socke. Lol did you even read his post, is DeMuslim gonna call Incontrol one of the best ZvZers in europe... Also even if he was bigging up one of his team-mates, he wouldn't just sprout bullshit
What? I'm just referring to Incontrol's statement in the SOTG podcast after Assembly, that Morrow is horrible in ZvZ.
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It's hard to predict a volatile match up, and I wouldn't be surprised if I was completely wrong here, but:
(P)MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> (P)EGAxslav
Mana seems more experienced in PvP and has defeated Axslav in the past. His PvP record is really quite stellar. Axslav will hopefully bring in a new strategy tailored to counter Mana, but short of that Mana's experience will likely pull through.
(Z)MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> (Z)EGStrifeCro
A lot of ZvZ comes down to experience and micro, and Morrow has these over StrifeCro. This is not to say StrifeCro cannot upset, but Morrow has to be favored here.
(T)MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> (Z)EGIdrA
IdrA said in some recent tournament that he'd much rather face Terran than Protoss, and that his ZvT is quite solid. Given that Strelok likes to play predictable macro games, IdrA will likely have the edge over him.
(P)MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> (P)EGiNcontroL
I don't know enough about HasuObs's PvP to call this, so I'll just go with the player I want to win.
Ace match: I think Mouz will send Mana, especially if he wins against Axslav. But you never know with these things, since Mana might not be online or available. If they send Mana, however, it'll be quite hard for EG to respond. None of their Zerg players want to face Protoss, if IdrA's opinions are anything to judge by, and if Axslav has already lost to Mana then it'll be hard for him to triumph.
I see Mana taking this ace match for Mouz, 2-1, against either Axslav, IdrA, or InControl.
If Mana is for some reason not available, however, the match up becomes more in EG's favor. IdrA's ZvZ is probably equal to if not better than Morrow's, and the same is true if they send Strelok. HasuObs is another alternative but Mouz doesn't seem to like using him for ace.
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I've been missing these a lot, so I'm glad I'm finally home on a Sunday where I can watch one.
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(P)MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> (P)EGAxslav
(Z)MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> (Z)EGStrifeCro
(T)MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> (Z)EGIdrA
(P)MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> (P)EGiNcontroL
EGiNcontroL <Jungle Basin> MouzMorroW
or
EGIdrA <Jungle Basin> MouzMorroW
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On February 21 2011 02:50 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:34 imareaver3 wrote:On February 21 2011 02:31 Mandalor wrote:
MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslav
MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL
ACE
MouzMorroW <Jungle Basin> EGIdrA
imo I wouldn't expect Mouz to send MorroW. His ZvZ is terrible, and IdrA's is great. MaNa would be a more likely ace, I think, or Naama--someone without a huge matchup weakness. And that would make the last game a lot less predictable. This thing looks really close. Morrow's ZvZ is definitely not terrible, just because he played poorly in one series, he has a decent ZvZ record with plenty of wins, but I do agree that Mana is much more likely to be the Ace, especially considering a strong Protoss is Idra's admitted weakness.
Good point but I think MaNa's weakest matchup is PvZ as well, so I'd say it may be more likely to see Naama or Strelok as the ace.
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I predict axslav and strifecro to win for eg, and strelok and hasu to win for mouz.
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On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe.
Yeah I have no idea where this "Morrow has weak zvz" comes from. Guess when something is written often enough on a forum others take it over from there and start believing it.
Morrows zergling / baneling control is awesome.
predictions:
(P)MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> (P)EGAxslav
(Z)MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> (Z)EGStrifeCro
(T)MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> (Z)EGIdrA
(P)MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> (P)EGiNcontroL
Kind of sucks that the Ace match is played on Jungle.
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MorroW vs IdrA in the ace match would be terriffic. We'll see just how "bad" MorroW's ZvZ is. IdrA might be surprised.
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Shame about all the mirrors, but should be a good watch, anyway.
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On February 21 2011 03:28 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe. Yeah I have no idea where this "Morrow has weak zvz" comes from. Guess when something is written often enough on a forum others take it over from there and start believing it. Morrows zergling / baneling control is awesome. predictions: (P)MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> (P)EGAxslav(Z)MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> (Z)EGStrifeCro (T)MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> (Z)EGIdrA(P)MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> (P)EGiNcontroL Kind of sucks that the Ace match is played on Jungle.
It comes from a bunch of a-holes at SOTG talking out of their asses. They watched 1 series with him vs Ret and passed judgement.
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^ LOL you sound really mad.
Anyways GL to both teams. EG Fighting!
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On February 21 2011 03:35 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 03:28 Redox wrote:On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe. Yeah I have no idea where this "Morrow has weak zvz" comes from. Guess when something is written often enough on a forum others take it over from there and start believing it. Morrows zergling / baneling control is awesome. predictions: (P)MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> (P)EGAxslav(Z)MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> (Z)EGStrifeCro (T)MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> (Z)EGIdrA(P)MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> (P)EGiNcontroL Kind of sucks that the Ace match is played on Jungle. It comes from a bunch of a-holes at SOTG talking out of their asses. They watched 1 series with him vs Ret and passed judgement.
Four matches of a top player + he justification for having bad ZvZ = g.g.
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MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslav
MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL
MouzMorroW <Ace> EGIdrA
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hmm is this being played on NA?
i hope so for idras case lol
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I'm looking forward to casting this! GL to both teams : )
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On February 21 2011 03:36 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ LOL you sound really mad.
Anyways GL to both teams. EG Fighting!
I'm always mad when people hate on someone for no good reason what so ever. The people on SOTG are experts on doing just that. They're worse than most fat, ugly bullies I've seen over the years (no offense Incontrol).
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Hoping for EG to pull this out.
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It's funny because I'm not sure I would describe anybody on SotG as fat, much less ugly.
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a bully would, which makes yusername a big bully
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On February 21 2011 03:56 pieisamazing wrote:
It's funny because I'm not sure I would describe anybody on SotG as fat, much less ugly.
oooooooooooooh JP... so hot...
Doesn't the stream go up a little while before the tournament starts?
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Morrow has good zergling micro, but from what I've seen he doesn't make very good decisions in ZvZ. Maybe someone can point me to a few games where this isn't the case.
EG Fighting!
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On February 21 2011 03:53 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 03:36 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ LOL you sound really mad.
Anyways GL to both teams. EG Fighting! I'm always mad when people hate on someone for no good reason what so ever. The people on SOTG are experts on doing just that. They're worse than most fat, ugly bullies I've seen over the years (no offense Incontrol).
why u so mad man
chill bro
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On February 21 2011 03:58 Inky87 wrote:
Morrow has good zergling micro, but from what I've seen he doesn't make very good decisions in ZvZ. Maybe someone can point me to a few games where this isn't the case.
EG Fighting!
I honestly don't think his ZvZ is much better or worse than most other top zergs. It's more the matchup that creates weird situations. That's not to say he can't learn a lot in that matchup as he's cleary behind the best of the best.
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nice lineups, I think EG will take it. Strifecro pretty beast at zvz
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i think 3-1 or 3-0 for mouz
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On February 21 2011 03:53 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 03:36 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ LOL you sound really mad.
Anyways GL to both teams. EG Fighting! I'm always mad when people hate on someone for no good reason what so ever. The people on SOTG are experts on doing just that. They're worse than most fat, ugly bullies I've seen over the years (no offense Incontrol).
only you're hate can destroy them
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Sheth is now my favorite caster.
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This game was pretty much over as soon as Mana's first big blink ended up just landing him on top of Axslav's Zealots, normally his blink play is great but that was just bad -___-
Probably guarantees EG win the clanwar xD
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On February 21 2011 04:14 Asha` wrote:
This game was pretty much over as soon as Mana's first big blink ended up just landing him on top of Axslav's Zealots, normally his blink play is great but that was just bad -___-
Yep. Terrible play by Mana this game for some reason.
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I personally think MorroW does great decisions and micro in zerg, the only thing he does wrong is openings and upgrade timing.
he should go 15 hatch 15 pool and get +1 attack as soon as possible, then he would be able to take anyone.
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People should probably stop doubting axslav considering how well he keeps doing in these team leagues
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On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe.
O.O Dreamhack....
I don't think Morrow would be sent out for the ace though, because they have to assume that EG will send out IdrA, and IdrA would stomp Morrow just like Ret did, if not harder, Idra is weakest to protoss though.
In team games it's not always about sending each other strongest player out for the ace, but rather playing off the maps, and the suspected opponents weak/strong MU's
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On February 21 2011 04:17 syllogism wrote:
People should probably stop doubting axslav considering how well he keeps doing in these team leagues
Not really doubting Axslav is good, just think Mana is the better player (both overall and in that match up) and lost because he played that poorly.
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I have never really seen axslav play before and had thought of him as not that great a player but regardless of how badly mana played or whatever I was really impressed with how he played. Will definately be watching out for him more now
GG axslav! go EG
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On February 21 2011 04:17 Kazzabiss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe. O.O Dreamhack.... I don't think Morrow would be sent out for the ace though, because they have to assume that EG will send out IdrA, and IdrA would stomp Morrow just like Ret did, if not harder, Idra is weakest to protoss though. In team games it's not always about sending each other strongest player out for the ace, but rather playing off the maps, and the suspected opponents weak/strong MU's
I agree that MorroW would probably lose, but people need to stop acting like his ZvZ is shit because he lost to ret in a huge euro lan finals. MorroW beat ret earlier in the gcpl and ive seen him beat haypro convincingly, so he is no slouch. A lot of people forget that these are bo1s, so pretty much anyone could take anyone with some good fortune.
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I think EG wins 3-0 imo Strifecro > Morrow, Idra > Strelok. Can't wait for idra vs strelok!
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I really like the patrolling probe that Axslav keeps between the untaken mains. 1-0 for EG!
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Morrows ZvZ is fine, i just think the point was IdrA's ZvZ would crush anybodys but Ret. Idk how Strifeco's is, so we'll have to see
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On February 21 2011 04:23 1Eris1 wrote:
Morrows ZvZ is fine, i just think the point was IdrA's ZvZ would crush anybodys but Ret. Idk how Strifeco's is, so we'll have to see
strifes zvz is good from what I have seen. Really solid but this is the first time I have seen him not hatch first in this mu
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Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/
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Bo1 sucks. :/
Not in a team league... that's how they've always worked.
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On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/
I wouldn't be so sure
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On February 21 2011 04:31 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/ I wouldn't be so sure
Judging by the army coming towards Morrow right now, I'd be very sure.
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On February 21 2011 04:32 DreamScaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:31 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/ I wouldn't be so sure Judging by the army coming towards Morrow right now, I'd be very sure.
My point being idra v strelok isn't a free win to idra, despite being the huge favorite
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gg strifeco, well this one's over lol
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Very strong showing by EG today.
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Strifecro and Axslav were such good pickups for EG, they've both done really well in all of these team leagues.
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On February 21 2011 04:33 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:32 DreamScaR wrote:On February 21 2011 04:31 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/ I wouldn't be so sure Judging by the army coming towards Morrow right now, I'd be very sure. My point being idra v strelok isn't a free win to idra, despite being the huge favorite
Certainly not, as that game just showed bo1 doesnt give the better player a great chance to win. Especially with when there's luck involved.
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On February 21 2011 04:34 FrostShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:33 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:32 DreamScaR wrote:On February 21 2011 04:31 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/ I wouldn't be so sure Judging by the army coming towards Morrow right now, I'd be very sure. My point being idra v strelok isn't a free win to idra, despite being the huge favorite Certainly not, as that game just showed bo1 doesnt give the better player a great chance to win. Especially with when there's luck involved.
Yeah but a ZvT on scrap station is something different then a ZvZ on blistering.
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This stream is so god damn crispy sweet super quality. Even though i normally have big issues with justin.tv this stream is AWESOME. love the league as well.
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On February 21 2011 04:34 FrostShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:33 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:32 DreamScaR wrote:On February 21 2011 04:31 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/ I wouldn't be so sure Judging by the army coming towards Morrow right now, I'd be very sure. My point being idra v strelok isn't a free win to idra, despite being the huge favorite Certainly not, as that game just showed bo1 doesnt give the better player a great chance to win. Especially with when there's luck involved.
Lol Morrow being better player. He got outplayed, get over it.
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He should've canceled the hatchery...
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The underdogs are doing really well so far Hope Strelok wins so we get to see Incontrol play too.
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It's just the volatility of the match ups. I'd agree with Gretorp that these were upsets, although I think I underestimated Axslav. I thought he had lost to Mana in GCPL when in fact, now that I've checked, he lost to Kiwikaki. Kiwi's PvP is one of the best in the world, so it's not really a minus on the part of Axslav.
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Strelok is going to have his work cut out for him
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idk bout the first game but strifecro vs morrow I wouldn't say morrow's an underdog he's been playing super super super good lately and his zvz is super solid as well I wasn't surprised that he won at all but maybe he was the underdog just doesn't feel like it to me
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Strelok isn't even the best Ukranian Terran these days with Kas around hehe xD
If he wins, I shall be absolutely astounded =p
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On February 21 2011 04:37 blade55555 wrote:idk bout the first game but strelok vs morrow I wouldn't say morrow's an underdog he's been playing super super super good lately and his zvz is super solid as well I wasn't surprised that he won at all but maybe he was the underdog just doesn't feel like it to me
it was strifeco vs morrow
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So many people doubting EG being proved wrong. PvP is so volatile and Axslav is such a smart guy that it isn't a surprise to see him win. And Strifecro's best MU is probably ZvZ, which IS Morrow's worst (who does he have to practice against?). Not surprising to see them win at all. EG should clean up at this point but even if Mous comes back, it is clear that EG has a lot more depth than people like to admit.
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On February 21 2011 04:39 pieisamazing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:37 blade55555 wrote:idk bout the first game but strelok vs morrow I wouldn't say morrow's an underdog he's been playing super super super good lately and his zvz is super solid as well I wasn't surprised that he won at all but maybe he was the underdog just doesn't feel like it to me it was strifeco vs morrow
I meant that my bad i'll edit that :D
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CC first for Strelok...let's see how IdrA responds to this.
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If that happens, just say what the in-game clock is at for everybody to line up to?
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ooh interesting I have been seeing 14 CC a little bit more lately when terrans scout zergs hatch first. This game should be interesting ^_^
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lol, this is a pretty sad stream..
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On February 21 2011 04:43 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
If that happens, just say what the in-game clock is at for everybody to line up to?
thats what i was thinking
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I actually love technical difficulties! :D Makes the game feel so much more down to earth and the community more personal. <3
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can some1 update this or are we in the first game and still 0-0??
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On February 21 2011 04:35 pieisamazing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:34 FrostShadow wrote:On February 21 2011 04:33 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:32 DreamScaR wrote:On February 21 2011 04:31 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/ I wouldn't be so sure Judging by the army coming towards Morrow right now, I'd be very sure. My point being idra v strelok isn't a free win to idra, despite being the huge favorite Certainly not, as that game just showed bo1 doesnt give the better player a great chance to win. Especially with when there's luck involved. Lol Morrow being better player. He got outplayed, get over it.
You don't think Morrow is a better player than Strifecro?
Seriously?
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On February 21 2011 04:39 fadestep wrote:
So many people doubting EG being proved wrong. PvP is so volatile and Axslav is such a smart guy that it isn't a surprise to see him win. And Strifecro's best MU is probably ZvZ, which IS Morrow's worst (who does he have to practice against?). Not surprising to see them win at all. EG should clean up at this point but even if Mous comes back, it is clear that EG has a lot more depth than people like to admit.
Nobody is proved wrong. If they would play again tomorrow most people would still put Mana and Morrow as the favorites. It's BO1 and 2 mirror matches, so it can go either way, nobody said that Axslav and Strifecro can't win a Bo1.
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On February 21 2011 04:46 cuppatea wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:35 pieisamazing wrote:On February 21 2011 04:34 FrostShadow wrote:On February 21 2011 04:33 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:32 DreamScaR wrote:On February 21 2011 04:31 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/ I wouldn't be so sure Judging by the army coming towards Morrow right now, I'd be very sure. My point being idra v strelok isn't a free win to idra, despite being the huge favorite Certainly not, as that game just showed bo1 doesnt give the better player a great chance to win. Especially with when there's luck involved. Lol Morrow being better player. He got outplayed, get over it. You don't think Morrow is a better player than Strifecro? Seriously?
I believe the point he is making is that, while there is more variability in bo1's, it's not like strifecro did some snipe build against Morrow. Morrow didn't play that well and Strifecro beat him straight up, regardless of who the "better" player normally is.
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On February 21 2011 04:46 cuppatea wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:35 pieisamazing wrote:On February 21 2011 04:34 FrostShadow wrote:On February 21 2011 04:33 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:32 DreamScaR wrote:On February 21 2011 04:31 syllogism wrote:On February 21 2011 04:29 Redox wrote:
Oh well seems like this clan war is already over, due to bo loss by Morrow.
Bo1 sucks. :/ I wouldn't be so sure Judging by the army coming towards Morrow right now, I'd be very sure. My point being idra v strelok isn't a free win to idra, despite being the huge favorite Certainly not, as that game just showed bo1 doesnt give the better player a great chance to win. Especially with when there's luck involved. Lol Morrow being better player. He got outplayed, get over it. You don't think Morrow is a better player than Strifecro? Seriously?
Overall, but in ZvZ I wouldn't consider MorroW that amazing to say he is better than StrifeCro, considering StrifeCro is one of the best ZvZ'ers in North America.
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Lol at strelock's drop....
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what kind of drop was that...
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WTF is Strelok doing? He forgot about hos drop?!
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Well idra just let strelok back into the game by suiciding 30-40 banelings and doing almost no damage. I think he got a bit cocky due to the terrible mistakes strelok made and just wanted to end it instantly. Honestly, after all the blunders and failed harasses, strelok should have lost immediately.
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strelok coming back!
ragequitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt :O
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On February 21 2011 04:53 syllogism wrote:
Well idra just let strelok back into the game by suiciding 30-40 banelings and doing almost no damage. I think he got a bit cocky due to the terrible mistakes strelok made and just wanted to end it instantly.
Think he felt he was so far ahead he could just bust his way through. Solid marine splits w/ a few tanks and the planetary was all like, "lol nope."
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idras banelings are not being cost effective at all, hes throwing this game
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IdrA leaveing without a GG
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wow, strelok wins after a bad start
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Can't stop laughing, that was so absurd.
No idea how Idra conspired to lose from that point -__-
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On February 21 2011 03:26 SiguR wrote:
I predict axslav and strifecro to win for eg, and strelok and hasu to win for mouz.
3 for 3 so far!
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that game made me wanna blow my brains out
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loss was completely on Idra not playing well
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Wow Strelok makes all these blunders early game then Idra just kinda fell apart after his attack failed.
Well played by little strelok hope for ace match now idra vs Strelok :D
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No gg gets me every time, lol, so funny
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Lol idra. Strelok looked pretty good, I think if he refines that build a bit, we could see it become a lot more common
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On February 21 2011 04:55 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 03:26 SiguR wrote:
I predict axslav and strifecro to win for eg, and strelok and hasu to win for mouz.
3 for 3 so far!
Very nice It pays to root for the underdogs in this clan war, it seems! Upsets all around.
But now we have a match up that doesn't have an underdog. Wonder who'll win?
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NICE win by Strelok!
even got the compliment from Idra !
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On February 21 2011 02:14 Telcontar wrote:
Back to the mirror!
Really looking forward to Strelok vs IdrA though. I think it'll turn out like this.
MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslav
MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
gotta love predictions :D
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Strelok had an enormous path to go to get back into the game, and he did. While idrA kind of buckled. He was miles ahead.
well played by strelok.
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IdrA had this, and then he send in banelings and lost them all twice.
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On February 21 2011 04:55 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:53 syllogism wrote:
Well idra just let strelok back into the game by suiciding 30-40 banelings and doing almost no damage. I think he got a bit cocky due to the terrible mistakes strelok made and just wanted to end it instantly. Think he felt he was so far ahead he could just bust his way through. Solid marine splits w/ a few tanks and the planetary was all like, "lol nope."
IdrA actually forgot that he played zerg after Strelok did all those mistakes. You may remember, even with all that advantage, it took quite a while for IMLosira to actually kill ZeNEXByun in GSTL.
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+ Show Spoiler +Holy fuck, Strelok with the awesome comeback. Idra's just leaves with no gg after he loses two hatches.
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I predict inc loses his PvP in practice looked pretty weak yesterday. Getting destroyed by bubbles repeatedly.
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no wonder idra is leaving korea, i like the guy but his play lately has not been the level it should be.
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Strelock imo looked pretty bad, it's pretty apparent that his multi-tasking is extremely poor. That being said, Idra blew the massive lead he had.
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On February 21 2011 04:57 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:55 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On February 21 2011 04:53 syllogism wrote:
Well idra just let strelok back into the game by suiciding 30-40 banelings and doing almost no damage. I think he got a bit cocky due to the terrible mistakes strelok made and just wanted to end it instantly. Think he felt he was so far ahead he could just bust his way through. Solid marine splits w/ a few tanks and the planetary was all like, "lol nope." IdrA actually forgot that he played zerg after Strelok did all those mistakes. You may remember, even with all that advantage, it took quite a while for IMLosira to actually kill ZeNEXByun in GSTL.
That's actually what is surprising. Normally IdrA is very, very meticulous in keeping his advantage in the game and wearing his opponent down, especially in ZvT vs planetary fortressed area.
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On February 21 2011 04:57 Audigy wrote:
no wonder idra is leaving korea, i like the guy but his play lately has not been the level it should be.
Buy a clue.
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Planetary Fortress 1 : IdrA 0
But yeah, muta bling was a bad choice from IdrA. he tried attacking the PF about 2-3 times without any real damage. he was too committed to the unit comp.
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Strelok clearly played great, i mean did you see the fact that he made a planetary fortress?
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Idra's decision making was pretty questionable in this game...
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Idra actually played perfectly until that misjudgement while Strelok played poorly. He was so far ahead he thought he could just end it but like someone said, he forgot he is zerg.
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Nony knows when he says strelok is one of the best players,hes very underrated !
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I'm surprised he lost so quickly in one moment.
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On February 21 2011 04:57 Audigy wrote:
no wonder idra is leaving korea, i like the guy but his play lately has not been the level it should be.
Do you realise that Idra has been going further and further in the GSL, finishing top 8 in the last season? What games are you basing this on?
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On February 21 2011 04:58 zoLo wrote:
Planetary Fortress 1 : IdrA 0
But yeah, muta bling was a bad choice from IdrA. he tried attacking the PF about 2-3 times without any real damage. he was too committed to the unit comp.
The unit comp was fine, he just needed to right click the planetary with his first baneling attack to break the defensive position, and once that was down he had more than enough to take it as you could see with the following attacks.
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On February 21 2011 04:58 zoLo wrote:
Planetary Fortress 1 : IdrA 0
But yeah, muta bling was a bad choice from IdrA. he tried attacking the PF about 2-3 times without any real damage. he was too committed to the unit comp.
It was not so much the PF but the tanks that killed the banelings.
Idras contol in that attack was just not good.
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On February 21 2011 04:59 syllogism wrote:
Idra actually played perfectly until that misjudgement while Strelok played poorly. He was so far ahead he thought he could just end it but like someone said, he forgot he is zerg.
Strelok's play wasn't horrible, Idra was just always one step ahead and defended the harass beautifully. Strelok's only big blunder was forgetting about the drop.
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So annoying when the OP doesn't get updated I just tuned in -_-.
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On February 21 2011 05:00 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:59 syllogism wrote:
Idra actually played perfectly until that misjudgement while Strelok played poorly. He was so far ahead he thought he could just end it but like someone said, he forgot he is zerg. Strelok's play wasn't horrible, Idra was just always one step ahead and defended the harass beautifully.
Well, the initial drop was horrible, but I did edit my evaluation to be a bit less harsh. His banshees, hellions and the first drop did 0 damage while losing everything, he lost his tech lab that was almost done reseraching stim. I wish a zerg could recover after something like that.
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On February 21 2011 04:58 Nik0 wrote:
Strelok clearly played great, i mean did you see the fact that he made a planetary fortress?
a very seful talent toi have
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On February 21 2011 04:58 AlBundy wrote:
Idra's decision making was pretty questionable in this game...
You can't really make many decisions on that map if you commit to ling/bane/muta. The game will be stretched out even if you're ahead. Terran can turtle so well with the map architecture, and if you don't harass you will die to timing pushes through the bridge.
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Not trying to take anything away from Strelok. Nice win, but many people seem to forget that you cant really micro with the delay from Korea. IdrA is pretty good at those ling+bling+muta attacks and the attacks might have ended up differently if he wasn't playing from Korea... then again it might have ended in just the same way.
Also, I am pretty sure IdrA went with a full on attack against Streloks third since he knew he had to deny it or loose. He could not let Strelok fortify that position.
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On February 21 2011 04:58 Nik0 wrote:
Strelok clearly played great, i mean did you see the fact that he made a planetary fortress?
pretty much
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On February 21 2011 05:02 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:58 AlBundy wrote:
Idra's decision making was pretty questionable in this game... You can't really make many decisions on that map if you commit to ling/bane/muta. The game will be stretched out even if you're ahead. Terran can turtle so well with the map architecture, and if you don't harass you will die to timing pushes through the bridge.
I wish Idra would have did more harass with the mutas. Yeah Terran can turtle, but Strelok's army is so immobile Idra could have done some dual pronged attacks rather than doing something silly like trying to fight it head on.
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I just think this kinda shows that Scrap Station is not actually a terrible map for nonzergs. You can turtle very well on it
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On February 21 2011 05:02 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:58 AlBundy wrote:
Idra's decision making was pretty questionable in this game... You can't really make many decisions on that map. If you commit to ling/bane/muta the game will be stretched out even if you're ahead. Terran can turtle so well with the map architecture, and if you don't harass you will die to timing pushes through the bridge.
Correct me if I'm wrong but in my eyes:
-He double expanded, then he let Terran get a 3rd.
-He tried to take a gold and a 5th, but didn't actually do anything in order to defend them. No static defenses, no queens, no units.
-He built a ton of zerglings but did nothing with them.
-He built some Mutalisks, but definitely not as much as I'm used to see. Usually I see Idra just get a critical mass of mutalisks, it wasn't the case in this game.
-His unit control was not the best, as seen during the attack vs. PF and the lack of good timings as well as double pronged attacks
edit: I forgot that his units lacked some upgrades, unlike Strelok's ones.
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IdrA was kicking Streloks ass for the whole game, but lost because of 1 mistake. That's just how it is for zerg.
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On February 21 2011 05:03 zyglrox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:58 Nik0 wrote:
Strelok clearly played great, i mean did you see the fact that he made a planetary fortress? pretty much
Don't make excuses for Idra throwing away a massive lead. Strelok with the beautiful drops (aside from the first lol) made a great come back,
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On February 21 2011 05:07 chickensmasher wrote:
IdrA was kicking Streloks ass for the whole game, but lost because of 1 mistake. That's just how it is for zerg.
:o that's just how it is in starcraft
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On February 21 2011 05:03 TheCrow wrote:
Not trying to take anything away from Strelok. Nice win, but many people seem to forget that you cant really micro with the delay from Korea. IdrA is pretty good at those ling+bling+muta attacks and the attacks might have ended up differently if he wasn't playing from Korea... then again it might have ended in just the same way.
Also, I am pretty sure IdrA went with a full on attack against Streloks third since he knew he had to deny it or loose. He could not let Strelok fortify that position.
pretty sure it was played on NA so strelok would also have a delay which actually hurts terran more
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Is it just me, or the stream is kinda awfully lagging
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what is the score, op not opdated :<
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On February 21 2011 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:07 chickensmasher wrote:
IdrA was kicking Streloks ass for the whole game, but lost because of 1 mistake. That's just how it is for zerg. :o that's just how it is in starcraft
Exactly right!.
His 1 mistake was throwing his entire army into a PF and tank position. Thats a pretty big mistake. You shouldnt be able to recover from it.
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On February 21 2011 05:09 ccHaZaRd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:03 TheCrow wrote:
Not trying to take anything away from Strelok. Nice win, but many people seem to forget that you cant really micro with the delay from Korea. IdrA is pretty good at those ling+bling+muta attacks and the attacks might have ended up differently if he wasn't playing from Korea... then again it might have ended in just the same way.
Also, I am pretty sure IdrA went with a full on attack against Streloks third since he knew he had to deny it or loose. He could not let Strelok fortify that position. pretty sure it was played on NA so strelok would also have a delay which actually hurts terran more
KR - US has more delay than EU - US though.
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On February 21 2011 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:07 chickensmasher wrote:
IdrA was kicking Streloks ass for the whole game, but lost because of 1 mistake. That's just how it is for zerg. :o that's just how it is in starcraft
According to this statement Strelok would have already lost then, if he gets his ass kicked so much?
NOTE: i'm arguing only because your argument sounds slightly weird, provided that chickensmashers argument is true.
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On February 21 2011 05:10 Samurai- wrote:
what is the score, op not opdated :<
2-1 for EG
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On February 21 2011 05:10 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 21 2011 05:07 chickensmasher wrote:
IdrA was kicking Streloks ass for the whole game, but lost because of 1 mistake. That's just how it is for zerg. :o that's just how it is in starcraft Exactly right!. His 1 mistake was throwing his entire army into a PF and tank position. Thats a pretty big mistake. You shouldnt be able to recover from it.
Yet Strelok should be allowed to recover from doing 0 damage with blueflame hellions, cloaked banshees, the early drops and losing both tech lab upgrades.
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On February 21 2011 05:14 coddan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:10 Darpa wrote:On February 21 2011 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 21 2011 05:07 chickensmasher wrote:
IdrA was kicking Streloks ass for the whole game, but lost because of 1 mistake. That's just how it is for zerg. :o that's just how it is in starcraft Exactly right!. His 1 mistake was throwing his entire army into a PF and tank position. Thats a pretty big mistake. You shouldnt be able to recover from it. Yet Strelok should be allowed to recover from doing 0 damage with blueflame hellions, cloaked banshees, the early drops and losing both tech lab upgrades.
And zerg is supposed to be able to remax and throw waves of units at you.
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wow incontrol got so rolled
axslav for ace!!
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Yeah ACE match! Great play by hasuobs.
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On February 21 2011 04:55 SiguR wrote:
I predict axslav and strifecro to win for eg, and strelok and hasu to win for mouz.
Holy crap, I'm 4 for 4 . I've been smoking the magical prediction pipe.
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On February 21 2011 05:10 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:09 ccHaZaRd wrote:On February 21 2011 05:03 TheCrow wrote:
Not trying to take anything away from Strelok. Nice win, but many people seem to forget that you cant really micro with the delay from Korea. IdrA is pretty good at those ling+bling+muta attacks and the attacks might have ended up differently if he wasn't playing from Korea... then again it might have ended in just the same way.
Also, I am pretty sure IdrA went with a full on attack against Streloks third since he knew he had to deny it or loose. He could not let Strelok fortify that position. pretty sure it was played on NA so strelok would also have a delay which actually hurts terran more KR - US has more delay than EU - US though.
Yeah but remember that Strelok is Ukrainian. I doubt that his delay is much better.
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Inc destroyed.. Here we go ace. :D
Those german PvPers man, taking down americans left and right.
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On February 21 2011 05:13 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:10 Samurai- wrote:
what is the score, op not opdated :< 2-1 for EG
tnx
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wow great play by hasu, incontroll got schooled
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No way IdrA is awake for the Ace match... my guess is Axslav, but we'll see.
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On February 21 2011 05:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
No way IdrA is awake for the Ace match... my guess is Axslav, but we'll see.
idra's in the U.S.
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It's like the GCPL teams conspire to have ace matches.
But really, I think this is how Mana should've played but didn't. Blink stalkers give you map control, so why not expand?
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I normally hate PvP, but that was really beautiful. So perfect.
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On February 21 2011 05:18 HeroHenry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
No way IdrA is awake for the Ace match... my guess is Axslav, but we'll see. idra's in the U.S.
No he's not.
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On February 21 2011 05:18 HeroHenry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
No way IdrA is awake for the Ace match... my guess is Axslav, but we'll see. idra's in the U.S.
No he is not
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On February 21 2011 05:18 HeroHenry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
No way IdrA is awake for the Ace match... my guess is Axslav, but we'll see. idra's in the U.S.
I dont think so, he did say he was returning sometime in March
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On February 21 2011 05:18 HeroHenry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
No way IdrA is awake for the Ace match... my guess is Axslav, but we'll see. idra's in the U.S.
Wot? If you're talking about "moving back to the US", that's not until March. Unless he's in the US at this exact moment for some other reason I'm unaware of.
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Oh wow, Hasu's play was fantastic.
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On February 21 2011 05:10 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 21 2011 05:07 chickensmasher wrote:
IdrA was kicking Streloks ass for the whole game, but lost because of 1 mistake. That's just how it is for zerg. :o that's just how it is in starcraft Exactly right!. His 1 mistake was throwing his entire army into a PF and tank position. Thats a pretty big mistake. You shouldnt be able to recover from it.
I'm going to comment on this one not going to say balance or anything. But when its 4 bases vs 3 and throwing your first army into that didn't lose the game for Idra. While yes it definitely evened things out and he definitely didn't have the advantage of before but after that first attempt had he stopped would have been good. Except he did it I think 2-3 times in a row? That would cause his loss which imo more so then that first one.
Doing it multiple times wasn't the smartest thing I think he coulda taken the planetary then retreated as he had a shitload of banes being morphed at this third anyway.
But I could be wrong but I do wish Idra hadn't done that after the first attack failed .
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Hopefully Incontrol will play ace match.
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At first I was feeling a bit sceptical about that, felt that Hasu didn't really have any clear timing to abuse his blink stalkers before Inc got his robo pumping units, but using it for map control while ninja'ing an expo and going double robo collo was very nice.
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incontrol such a choker
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On February 21 2011 05:12 kusto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 21 2011 05:07 chickensmasher wrote:
IdrA was kicking Streloks ass for the whole game, but lost because of 1 mistake. That's just how it is for zerg. :o that's just how it is in starcraft According to this statement Strelok would have already lost then, if he gets his ass kicked so much? NOTE: i'm arguing only because your argument sounds slightly weird, provided that chickensmashers argument is true.
i dont know how you got there. you think every mistake leads to a loss? that's ridiculous. it's certainly not what i said!
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if incontrol had scouted that hidden expo, what could he have done to pull ahead? would that warp prism harass been effective on it? never really got a look at what defense it had
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On February 21 2011 05:22 CEPEHDREI wrote:incontrol such a choker
what a nice thing to say.
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oh man EG must be wishing they had demuslim
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On February 21 2011 05:21 AlBundy wrote:
Hopefully Incontrol will play ace match.
You a mouz fan I presume? ^^
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On February 21 2011 05:22 CEPEHDREI wrote:incontrol such a choker
Please kindly shut the fuck up.
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worst....drumrolls....EVAR....
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On February 21 2011 05:21 AlBundy wrote:
Hopefully Incontrol will play ace match.
I think Inc would say his PvP is his worst matchup... with Mouz having both Hasu and Mana around, it would seem an odd choice. Granted, Inc's PvZ is really good, so if it was a level 3 mindgame hoping they'd pick morrow it could work out... I'd wager Axslav though.
edit: Announced as Strelok vs Axslav.
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Axslav not crushing this would be an upset imo.
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Strelok vs Axslav, this should be a really good game. People underestimate Axslav constantly and I think that he wil overcome that and get the win.
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On February 21 2011 05:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:21 AlBundy wrote:
Hopefully Incontrol will play ace match. I think Inc would say his PvP is his worst matchup... with Mouz having both Hasu and Mana around, it would seem an odd choice. Granted, Inc's PvZ is really good, so if it was a level 3 mindgame hoping they'd pick morrow it could work out... I'd wager Axslav though. edit: Announced as Strelok vs Axslav.
Ok thanks for the explanation.
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we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks."
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Axslav will win the ace imo, not been all that impresed by Strelok's TvP but perhaps he'll surprise me
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Omfg, majority is wrong about the announcement.
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What could iNcontroL have done there? This blink stalker "base trade" build seems incredibly annoying to deal with if you didn't kill him in the early game.
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On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks."
You shouldn't feel bothered by the comments of 1 douche. Most people realize you're awesome.
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On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks."
Hey no worries man, everyone knows how crazy PvP is
edit: As far as the Ace match goes, Axslav literally has one of the top 3 PvTs for foriegners, but hey, Strelok just beat idra on scrap, so you never know
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Well said iNcontroL. I always cheer for you but nobody can win them all.
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Gretorp is trolling us...
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I've probably made the mistake Idra made 100 times :D
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NASL, not Starcraft, but StarLeague!
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I cheered for you to win Incontrol, but it turns out my predictions were totally wrong, like a perfect storm, so in retrospect I probably should've cheered against you so you would win
I'm kind of interested in how you guys imagined the other match ups would go down, though. It seems a lot of these GCPL matches have been coming down to the wire as of late.
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On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks."
I agree. I'd like to add that no matter the player's performance, insults are disrespectful and uncalled for; these players train very hard, and strive for getting better at the game, as well as providing an entertaining show.
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On February 21 2011 05:29 iamke55 wrote:
What could iNcontroL have done there? This blink stalker "base trade" build seems incredibly annoying to deal with if you didn't kill him in the early game.
My theory on PvP is fairly weak, as it is my worst matchup as well... but given their build orders and how it played out I don't think there was much he could do. If he had perhaps been able to snipe Hasuobs'... obs, he could have attacked while leaving a sentry or two to forcefield. However, once Inc's faster colossus can't be put to use, at that point there's not much he can do while pinned back by blink stalkers giving time for Hasu to catch up in tech and have the better eco, while relatively safe.
Also: I'd say bad form on Mouz's part. If Strelok is held in another match, grab a different player for the Ace match. Shitty that if it's who they want they can't use him, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles, imo.
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Strelok showing superior anti-idra tactics, throw away several units for free, then turtle/expand waiting for idra to throw his own units away, and to finish him off, drop and attack from all sides. super ultra high level strategy, only the top of the top of the top top players can comprehend it
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On February 21 2011 05:32 NexUmbra wrote:NASL, not Star craft, but Star League!
:O MIND BLOWN!!
also, Strelok must be tired after playing the zotac and bo5 finales going to the 5th now..
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Thanks for the insight iNcontroL.
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On February 21 2011 05:33 Zelniq wrote:
Strelok showing superior anti-idra tactics, throw away several units for free, then turtle/expand waiting for idra to throw his own units away, and to finish him off, drop and attack from all sides. super ultra high level strategy, only the top of the top of the top top players can comprehend it
But why did IdrA choose to throw his units away?
This is not a critique, I'm a zerg player and would really like to know.
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On February 21 2011 05:34 ratMortar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:33 Zelniq wrote:
Strelok showing superior anti-idra tactics, throw away several units for free, then turtle/expand waiting for idra to throw his own units away, and to finish him off, drop and attack from all sides. super ultra high level strategy, only the top of the top of the top top players can comprehend it But why did IdrA choose to throw his units away? This is not a critique, I'm a zerg player and would really like to know.
He probably felt like he should be enough ahead to just roll over Strelok, but the Planetary coupled with the tanks and marines were enough to hold it off.
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zotac cup is done now. Game should start any second
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On February 21 2011 05:36 mdma-_- wrote:zotac cup is done now. Game should start any second
who won? ^^
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Please no spoilers about Zotac cup
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On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks."
Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical.
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On February 21 2011 05:34 ratMortar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:33 Zelniq wrote:
Strelok showing superior anti-idra tactics, throw away several units for free, then turtle/expand waiting for idra to throw his own units away, and to finish him off, drop and attack from all sides. super ultra high level strategy, only the top of the top of the top top players can comprehend it But why did IdrA choose to throw his units away? This is not a critique, I'm a zerg player and would really like to know.
Terrans securing that 3rd PF is a nightmare. Yeah he should've waited, but he just felt way ahead and probably assumed he'd do more damage than he did. It was overzealous, he should've went for the rocks for some ling run-ins. I don't know if going after the tanks was smarter than just right clicking the PF (he already gave up on the well-spread marines).
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On February 21 2011 05:36 Coulthard wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:36 mdma-_- wrote:zotac cup is done now. Game should start any second who won? ^^
+ Show Spoiler +
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On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical.
there difference he is a pro player, not some forum troll. his opinion is actually valued. thats why he a successful coach and caster as well.
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How can you say someone choked in a Bo1 PvP? lol
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Nechio left the game with a comment that would make Idra proud in the last game ;-) "I hope you won`t qualify for TSL3 because u are just a stupid race abuser"
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On February 21 2011 05:42 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Nechio left the game with a comment that would make Idra proud in the last game ;-) "I hope you won`t qualify for TSL3 because u are just a stupid race abuser"
but nerchio is T too right?
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On February 21 2011 05:42 Strut wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. there difference he is a pro player, not some forum troll. his opinion is actually valued. thats why he a successful coach and caster as well.
Well, then where is the line of where you're allowed to speculate on why someone lost? If people aren't allowed to say their thoughts about the game there would be no point in having live report threads.
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On February 21 2011 05:42 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Nechio left the game with a comment that would make Idra proud in the last game ;-) "I hope you won`t qualify for TSL3 because u are just a stupid race abuser"
Honestly Nerchio and Lalush are on a whole other level of BM than IdrA
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On February 21 2011 05:45 coddan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:42 Strut wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. there difference he is a pro player, not some forum troll. his opinion is actually valued. thats why he a successful coach and caster as well. Well, then where is the line of where you're allowed to speculate on why someone lost? If people aren't allowed to say their thoughts about the game there would be no point in having live report threads.
saying someone choked isnt constructive in the least. Anyone that's played competitive sports knows calling someone a choke is a slap in the face.
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DT GG. Nice defense and good forcefields from Axslav. Congrats to EG.
edit: Scratch the congrats, i always forget gcpl is bo3 finals, despite like every gcpl ending in the ace match.
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On February 21 2011 05:44 TheLovingone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:42 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Nechio left the game with a comment that would make Idra proud in the last game ;-) "I hope you won`t qualify for TSL3 because u are just a stupid race abuser" but nerchio is T too right?
Nerchio is Z (used to be Random)
He's actually sort of like a European IdrA, very bad-mannered but in a funny way sometimes.
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^ Not over yet. Ace is BO3
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Gotta love these I-hope-he-missed-1-ff-so-win Terrans being crushed.
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On February 21 2011 05:48 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
DT GG. Nice defense and good forcefields from Axslav. Congrats to EG.
Not over yet! Ace is bo3
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i dont understand why terrans just try and gamble and hope forcefields wont be good...
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On February 21 2011 05:47 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:45 coddan wrote:On February 21 2011 05:42 Strut wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. there difference he is a pro player, not some forum troll. his opinion is actually valued. thats why he a successful coach and caster as well. Well, then where is the line of where you're allowed to speculate on why someone lost? If people aren't allowed to say their thoughts about the game there would be no point in having live report threads. saying someone choked isnt constructive in the least.
It also shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. It's one thing if incontrol had done some gigantic blunder that looked like a choke... but there was nothing of the sort. He was behind from the start and the game played out to its logical conclusions with the builds in mind.
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lol an ad comes up as soon as the DT enters the T base.
/fail
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On February 21 2011 05:48 Logros wrote:
Gotta love these I-hope-he-missed-1-ff-so-win Terrans being crushed.
or people like you that QQ even when terrans lose
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God that was beautiful play
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...Nice timing on the ads there. Axslav gets DT's into strelok's base, they're almost to the mineral line annndddddd COMMERCIAL. Commercial ends, game is over, lol.
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Really nice defense by Axslav, absolutely clutch forcefields.
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What I want to know is why there are Ads for Clarisil playing on a stream that includes 99.9% men...
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Aughhh justin.tv. Lags terribly at 720p, followed by the commercial just as the dts were walking in. Commercial ends and the score screen is up.
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On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical.
Your such an angry person. Every post in this thread I have seen is full of anger jesus you need to chill a bit.
Impressive play by Axlave great defense and then DT's was pretty entertaining ^_^
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On February 21 2011 05:45 coddan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:42 Strut wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. there difference he is a pro player, not some forum troll. his opinion is actually valued. thats why he a successful coach and caster as well. Well, then where is the line of where you're allowed to speculate on why someone lost? If people aren't allowed to say their thoughts about the game there would be no point in having live report threads.
Who said you're not allowed to speak your thoughts? Do you see people getting banned for speculating on why people lost?
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On February 21 2011 05:42 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Nechio left the game with a comment that would make Idra proud in the last game ;-) "I hope you won`t qualify for TSL3 because u are just a stupid race abuser"
I know its off topic, but tournaments should really think about banning Nerchio, at least for some time. This BM after every single game he loses is getting out of hand.
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On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical.
As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes.
I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching.
The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right?
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I've never encountered any ads on justin tv... might be a region-specific thing.
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On February 21 2011 05:50 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. Your such an angry person. Every post in this thread I have seen is full of anger jesus you need to chill a bit. Impressive play by Axlave great defense and then DT's was pretty entertaining ^_^
It looked more like a boring build order win for me (not to take something away from axslav).
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hey geoff, <3, dont let the haters get you down.
ps: you should probably care less . nothing good comes out of arguing with strangers.
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On February 21 2011 05:52 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:50 blade55555 wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. Your such an angry person. Every post in this thread I have seen is full of anger jesus you need to chill a bit. Impressive play by Axlave great defense and then DT's was pretty entertaining ^_^ It looked like a boring build order win for me (not to take something away from axslav).
Well was more exciting because if he forgot to FF he would have lost. While using chronoboost/putting down darkshrine and putting forcefields down and microing your army so that he can't snipe your sentries.
Was pretty nice to see how well axlav defended that ^^.
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On February 21 2011 05:52 AlBundy wrote:
I've never encountered any adds on justin tv... might be a region-specific thing.
I was about to ask about that. Do we have the luxury in Europe not to get games ruined by adds?
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I love watching the GCPL, the production quality is usually incredibly high and we've had some fantastic games in the past few weeks but who thought running ads was a good idea? In the Axslav vs Strelok game on JB, the stream was lagging a fair bit, so the post-game ad actually started before the end of the game!! We missed the DT play by Axslav and came back to the End game screen - SO disappointing!!
The mods then started banning everybody that complained about this in chat... sigh, they completely lost control of the channel.
edit: I should note that even when the stream wasn't lagging, the commentators didnt seem to realize/know ads were getting run, so most of the post-game commentary was overridden with the ad.
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incontroll and gretorp are two very smart players but for some reason just can't perform... everytime i cheer for them in a tourney they always drops out early... hope it's just luck!
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On February 21 2011 05:54 Joko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:52 AlBundy wrote:
I've never encountered any adds on justin tv... might be a region-specific thing. I was about to ask about that. Do we have the luxury in Europe not to get games ruined by adds?
Anyone using adblock plus or some equivalent does.
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On February 21 2011 05:55 Thrax wrote:
I love watching the GCPL, the production quality is usually incredibly high and we've had some fantastic games in the past few weeks but who thought running ads was a good idea? In the Axslav vs Strelok game on JB, the stream was lagging a fair bit, so the post-game ad actually started before the end of the game!! We missed the DT play by Axslav and came back to the End game screen - SO disappointing!!
The mods then started banning everybody that complained about this in chat... sigh, they completely lost control of the channel.
you missed a whole 2 dt blade swings before strelok's gg. dont know what ads u r talking about btw
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On February 21 2011 05:55 Thrax wrote:
I love watching the GCPL, the production quality is usually incredibly high and we've had some fantastic games in the past few weeks but who thought running ads was a good idea? In the Axslav vs Strelok game on JB, the stream was lagging a fair bit, so the post-game ad actually started before the end of the game!! We missed the DT play by Axslav and came back to the End game screen - SO disappointing!!
The mods then started banning everybody that complained about this in chat... sigh, they completely lost control of the channel.
So what you are saying is that they are not Incontrol?
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On February 21 2011 05:54 Joko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:52 AlBundy wrote:
I've never encountered any adds on justin tv... might be a region-specific thing. I was about to ask about that. Do we have the luxury in Europe not to get games ruined by adds?
Looks like it, I wasn't bothered either
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If I had to give feedback about GCPL I'd say that the only missing thing is some kind of overlay, showing score & players' names / positions on the map.
Axslav fighting !
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Wow Axslav is so solid...
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It still amazes me the overwhelming amount of people in the chat rooms of these streams that are complete retards. From the ever predictable "rofl Terran imba" after each Terran victory to the constant attempts to enlighten pro players on what they did wrong after a loss. Then we have the blatant trolling.....but atleast this breed of idiot doesn't attempt to hide their retardedness - they just come straight out with it.
Incontrol is beyond correct in his previous post. He has gained the RIGHT to criticize other players because they are his peers, not some group of people way above his level.
Unfortunately we'll continue to see this idiocy because a) its the internet and b) the online gaming demographic is young males.
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On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right?
This argument essentially makes it impossible to criticize any pro player in any league, sports or otherwise. I've always hated the "don't criticize the quarterback, it's not like you are a pro yourself" argument. It suggests that all pro players in any sport are immune from criticism from their fans because their fans are not pros themselves.
How many times have you heard people say "ohhh Manning choked!" or whatever when talking about football, when it's painfully obvious he's 10000x better than the people drinking beer from their couch on a Sunday afternoon.
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Did Strelok not even notice the stalker that both spotted and attack his medivac? Just carried on with the drop, maybe he was thinking Axslav would presume he'd turn around or something?
This looks very good for Axslav now
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stream lagging even on 240p
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Looks like Strelok's micro is not top notch in this game.. Some units idling here & there
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Sheth is a pretty darn good caster but he has an annoying tendency to just say "oh man" over and over when the action starts. He should fix that.
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Axslav got a HUGE army of collossi / chargelots with some stalkers & sentries.
This is going to be gruesome.
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damn this is looking like a great game, they seem evenly matched.
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wow wasnt expecting that GG
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Axslav makes the wc3 transition community proud.
Such great play.
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Axslav played super solid that 2nd game well played by him good series grats EG!
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Axslav is really good. Wow.
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Wow Axslav is playing better and better everytime I watch him
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Aweeesome play. GJ Axslav
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Axslav continues to dominate in these team leagues, very impressive
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Axslav seriously has been the hottest player I've seen in the past month. Wow.
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Nicely played by Axslav, Strelok was a bit disappointing imo though.
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axslav is tearing up team leagues, gg's
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Did Axslav spot every single drop in that last game? . Pretty nice games today. Such an awesome event!
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Axlav looking very solid, I think he has what it takes to go far
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Well played from Axlav, the way he dealt with that simultaneous drop/hellion harrass was very nice.
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Axslav gives me a boner... no homo. Dude is such a monster. I hope he manages to qualify for the TSL in the few remaining opens.
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A convincing 2-0 by Axslav, he showed very solid play, even though Strelok may have made some small mistakes here & there. Nonetheless his drop play was very entertaining; I see a lot of Terran players just giving up the dropship play in mid and late-game, but Strelok really tries to abuse bio's mobility.
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iNcontroL
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On February 21 2011 06:04 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? This argument essentially makes it impossible to criticize any pro player in any league, sports or otherwise. I've always hated the "don't criticize the quarterback, it's not like you are a pro yourself" argument. It suggests that all pro players in any sport are immune from criticism from their fans because their fans are not pros themselves. How many times have you heard people say "ohhh Manning choked!" or whatever when talking about football, when it's painfully obvious he's 10000x better than the people drinking beer from their couch on a Sunday afternoon.
No.
You are free to be critical and post your thoughts but you MUST understand that when people are dumb about it what they say they are susceptible to being told to stfu from an actual pro. I promise you. NFL quarterbacks would say the same thing if you had their ear on a daily basis.
So with that said it goes a long way when someone has respect in their post. Not posting like a dick when discussing professional players.
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A lot of great matches today.. I was pleasantly surprised because I am not that much of a mirror fan.
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That was some pretty impressive control there at the end. He read that double prong attack perfectly. Just let his gates die until his colossus popped.
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Wow, from the sounds of it Mouz is out.
Fnatic, ROOT, Dignitas, EG, Empire, and Liquid possibly in a six-way tie?
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Axslav continues to prove why he deserves some serious recognition. It's a shame that the better known players lost but it's good in a way because guys like Strifecro and Axslav gain rep.
Hey EG, when is DeMuslim gonna get in on these tournaments?
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I'd like to see Sheth cast some more.
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Fantastic game by Axslav, he has been playing so well recently! Much love to EG, mouz and GosuCoaching for an entertaining afternoon.
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GJ and congratz to EG. But justin.tv just sucks hard for europeans I think. Stream laggs on every quality and some ppl got dissapointed by ads.
It is really very stupid to miss the crucial moments cause the stream fucks up for 5 seconds for every forcefield.
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On February 21 2011 06:15 ratMortar wrote:
Axslav continues to prove why he deserves some serious recognition. It's a shame that the better known players lost but it's good in a way because guys like Strifecro and Axslav gain rep.
Hey EG, when is DeMuslim gonna get in on these tournaments?
When his hands better and he's in top form after that.
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
On February 21 2011 06:15 ratMortar wrote:
Axslav continues to prove why he deserves some serious recognition. It's a shame that the better known players lost but it's good in a way because guys like Strifecro and Axslav gain rep.
Hey EG, when is DeMuslim gonna get in on these tournaments?
When his arm is healed again I'd presume 
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On February 21 2011 06:14 Azarkon wrote:
Wow, from the sounds of it Mouz is out.
Fnatic, ROOT, Dignitas, EG, Empire, and Liquid possibly in a six-way tie?
Could be a tie, though I don't know the last weeks match ups.
at the moment Dignitas are @ 5-1 and Fnatic, Liquid, and EG are @ 4-2
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I asked not to put me to ace since i was tired as hell and couldn't play any good. But sadly other mouses didn't want to play either
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Great second game Strelok!
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On February 21 2011 06:18 Strelok wrote:I asked not to put me to ace since i was tired as hell and couldn't play any good. But sadly other mouses didn't want to play either
GG - nice work against idra!
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I missed the first couple of matches, any have the results?
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Axslav is looking better and better every game he plays! He's got a new fan in me :D Fighting!!
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Can someone sum up the results please ?
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shit eg won.. they hold the tiebreak against us =/
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On February 21 2011 06:14 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:04 nvs. wrote:On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? This argument essentially makes it impossible to criticize any pro player in any league, sports or otherwise. I've always hated the "don't criticize the quarterback, it's not like you are a pro yourself" argument. It suggests that all pro players in any sport are immune from criticism from their fans because their fans are not pros themselves. How many times have you heard people say "ohhh Manning choked!" or whatever when talking about football, when it's painfully obvious he's 10000x better than the people drinking beer from their couch on a Sunday afternoon. No. You are free to be critical and post your thoughts but you MUST understand that when people are dumb about it what they say they are susceptible to being told to stfu from an actual pro. I promise you. NFL quarterbacks would say the same thing if you had their ear on a daily basis. So with that said it goes a long way when someone has respect in their post. Not posting like a dick when discussing professional players.
I agree with your stance but as an professional I think you should just be able to ignore such comments.
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On February 21 2011 06:18 Strelok wrote:I asked not to put me to ace since i was tired as hell and couldn't play any good. But sadly other mouses didn't want to play either
you are awesome
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On February 21 2011 06:14 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:04 nvs. wrote:On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? This argument essentially makes it impossible to criticize any pro player in any league, sports or otherwise. I've always hated the "don't criticize the quarterback, it's not like you are a pro yourself" argument. It suggests that all pro players in any sport are immune from criticism from their fans because their fans are not pros themselves. How many times have you heard people say "ohhh Manning choked!" or whatever when talking about football, when it's painfully obvious he's 10000x better than the people drinking beer from their couch on a Sunday afternoon. No. You are free to be critical and post your thoughts but you MUST understand that when people are dumb about it what they say they are susceptible to being told to stfu from an actual pro. I promise you. NFL quarterbacks would say the same thing if you had their ear on a daily basis. So with that said it goes a long way when someone has respect in their post. Not posting like a dick when discussing professional players.
Agreed. What nvs is talking about is incredibly annoying but is completely not the situation here.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 21 2011 06:23 TT1 wrote:
shit eg won.. they hold the tiebreak against us =/
So ironically, Liquid` retakes 2nd position since
fnatic > liquid
liquid > eg
eg > fnatic
and liquid has the best point differential
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On February 21 2011 06:23 Jungosi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:14 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 06:04 nvs. wrote:On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? This argument essentially makes it impossible to criticize any pro player in any league, sports or otherwise. I've always hated the "don't criticize the quarterback, it's not like you are a pro yourself" argument. It suggests that all pro players in any sport are immune from criticism from their fans because their fans are not pros themselves. How many times have you heard people say "ohhh Manning choked!" or whatever when talking about football, when it's painfully obvious he's 10000x better than the people drinking beer from their couch on a Sunday afternoon. No. You are free to be critical and post your thoughts but you MUST understand that when people are dumb about it what they say they are susceptible to being told to stfu from an actual pro. I promise you. NFL quarterbacks would say the same thing if you had their ear on a daily basis. So with that said it goes a long way when someone has respect in their post. Not posting like a dick when discussing professional players. I agree with your stance but as an professional I think you should just be able to ignore such comments.
Right now I am averaging .0001% response rate to shitty trolls.
I am working on improving it
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On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right?
Yeah, I should just respect your "authorita" and shut my mouth, right? No way, douchebag. You enjoy trashtalking and making fun of others just for the heck of it, yet still can't tolerate any negative comments about yourself on an internet forum. That's hypocracy in a nutshell, buddy.
It's not like you're best friends with everyone you talk shit about on SOTG. You just want to make them look bad, while getting complimented for it by all your fans. As soon as someone like myself starts criticizing you, you get all defensive and go on about how mean spirited we are. It's pathetic.
Do you know who you remind me of? Cartman. Only fatter and less funny.
Just like someone pointed out in another thread, this is you:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.html
Now feel free to ban me, bitch!
User was temp banned for this post because he tried to be a martyr.
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On February 21 2011 06:26 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:23 Jungosi wrote:On February 21 2011 06:14 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 06:04 nvs. wrote:On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? This argument essentially makes it impossible to criticize any pro player in any league, sports or otherwise. I've always hated the "don't criticize the quarterback, it's not like you are a pro yourself" argument. It suggests that all pro players in any sport are immune from criticism from their fans because their fans are not pros themselves. How many times have you heard people say "ohhh Manning choked!" or whatever when talking about football, when it's painfully obvious he's 10000x better than the people drinking beer from their couch on a Sunday afternoon. No. You are free to be critical and post your thoughts but you MUST understand that when people are dumb about it what they say they are susceptible to being told to stfu from an actual pro. I promise you. NFL quarterbacks would say the same thing if you had their ear on a daily basis. So with that said it goes a long way when someone has respect in their post. Not posting like a dick when discussing professional players. I agree with your stance but as an professional I think you should just be able to ignore such comments. Right now I am averaging .0001% response rate to shitty trolls. I am working on improving it
Then I guess the only thing left to say : good job! :D
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^ The link is broken and boy you hella mad.
Anyway, the standings are now tricky :/. So many possible way top4 since it's all very close. I think next week is going to decide it all.
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posting a broken link right before you know a ban is incoming. awesome
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On February 21 2011 06:23 Jungosi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:14 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 06:04 nvs. wrote:On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? This argument essentially makes it impossible to criticize any pro player in any league, sports or otherwise. I've always hated the "don't criticize the quarterback, it's not like you are a pro yourself" argument. It suggests that all pro players in any sport are immune from criticism from their fans because their fans are not pros themselves. How many times have you heard people say "ohhh Manning choked!" or whatever when talking about football, when it's painfully obvious he's 10000x better than the people drinking beer from their couch on a Sunday afternoon. No. You are free to be critical and post your thoughts but you MUST understand that when people are dumb about it what they say they are susceptible to being told to stfu from an actual pro. I promise you. NFL quarterbacks would say the same thing if you had their ear on a daily basis. So with that said it goes a long way when someone has respect in their post. Not posting like a dick when discussing professional players. I agree with your stance but as an professional I think you should just be able to ignore such comments.
I'm so sick of this 'professionalism' bullshit. Anyone remember djWheat's excellent post on professionalism and what a crock it is?
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On February 21 2011 06:28 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? Yeah, I should just respect your "authorita" and shut my mouth, right? No way, douchebag. You enjoy trashtalking and making fun of others just for the heck of it, yet still can't tolerate any negative comments about yourself on an internet forum. That's hypocracy in a nutshell, buddy. It's not like you're best friends with everyone you talk shit about on SOTG. You just want to make them look bad, while getting complimented for it by all your fans. As soon as someone like myself starts criticizing you, you get all defensive and go on about how mean spirited we are. It's pathetic. Do you know who you remind me of? Cartman. Only fatter and less funny. Just like someone pointed out in another thread, this is you: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htmlNow feel free to ban me, bitch! User was temp banned for this post because he tried to be a martyr.
lol I know he's banned but am I the only one where every post this guy made in this thread was full of anger/hatred? Jesus full of hatred and anger this one is perhaps some time of shall calm him down .
Again Congrats to EG good CW was a fun series to watch and rooting for you guys to make it to playoffs which sounds like it should be the case ^_^.
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I'm so sick of this 'professionalism' bullshit. Anyone remember djWheat's excellent post on professionalism and what a crock it is?
it's a gentleman's game. i'm honestly surprised we don't see pros wearing tophats at tournaments.
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On February 21 2011 06:26 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:23 TT1 wrote:
shit eg won.. they hold the tiebreak against us =/ So ironically, Liquid` retakes 2nd position since fnatic > liquid liquid > eg eg > fnatic and liquid has the best point differential
yup the final spot is gonna come down to our last cw vs root, if they beat us wed have the same rec as them but then both root/eg would hold a tiebreak against us
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On February 21 2011 06:28 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? Yeah, I should just respect your "authorita" and shut my mouth, right? No way, douchebag. You enjoy trashtalking and making fun of others just for the heck of it, yet still can't tolerate any negative comments about yourself on an internet forum. That's hypocracy in a nutshell, buddy. It's not like you're best friends with everyone you talk shit about on SOTG. You just want to make them look bad, while getting complimented for it by all your fans. As soon as someone like myself starts criticizing you, you get all defensive and go on about how mean spirited we are. It's pathetic. Do you know who you remind me of? Cartman. Only fatter and less funny. Just like someone pointed out in another thread, this is you: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htmlNow feel free to ban me, bitch! User was temp banned for this post because he tried to be a martyr.
As horrible as this post is, I think there's something slightly resembling a valid point in there.
It doesn't make sense for players to be reading through LR threads and getting all upset over small shit like "aww inc choking" or whatever. Aren't these threads for the viewers anyway? How fucking tame and uninteresting would LR threads be if we weren't allowed to share our sentiment in the heat of passion while watching players we love or.. don't love.. duking it out?
You don't see soccer players or w/e being all like "HEY! Supporter of opposing team! Don't say mean stuff or talk about things you know nothing about! It makes us sad!" now do you.
edit: to be clear, I'm directing this at incontrol. I know mods wouldn't ban for criticisms against players expressed in a civilized manner. My point is that players should probably refrain from reading these threads if they can't handle all the stuff that inevitably is going to be said in them.
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On February 21 2011 06:40 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:26 Plexa wrote:On February 21 2011 06:23 TT1 wrote:
shit eg won.. they hold the tiebreak against us =/ So ironically, Liquid` retakes 2nd position since fnatic > liquid liquid > eg eg > fnatic and liquid has the best point differential yup the final spot is gonna come down to our last cw vs root, if they beat us wed have the same rec as them but then both root/eg would hold a tiebreak against us
Wow talk about epic how this is all coming down to it lol.
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On February 21 2011 06:40 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:26 Plexa wrote:On February 21 2011 06:23 TT1 wrote:
shit eg won.. they hold the tiebreak against us =/ So ironically, Liquid` retakes 2nd position since fnatic > liquid liquid > eg eg > fnatic and liquid has the best point differential yup the final spot is gonna come down to our last cw vs root, if they beat us wed have the same rec as them but then both root/eg would hold a tiebreak against us
That's why you are not going to lose right?
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On February 21 2011 06:43 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 06:28 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? Yeah, I should just respect your "authorita" and shut my mouth, right? No way, douchebag. You enjoy trashtalking and making fun of others just for the heck of it, yet still can't tolerate any negative comments about yourself on an internet forum. That's hypocracy in a nutshell, buddy. It's not like you're best friends with everyone you talk shit about on SOTG. You just want to make them look bad, while getting complimented for it by all your fans. As soon as someone like myself starts criticizing you, you get all defensive and go on about how mean spirited we are. It's pathetic. Do you know who you remind me of? Cartman. Only fatter and less funny. Just like someone pointed out in another thread, this is you: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htmlNow feel free to ban me, bitch! User was temp banned for this post because he tried to be a martyr. As horrible as this post is, I think there's something slightly resembling a valid point in there. It doesn't make sense for players to be reading through LR threads and getting all upset over small shit like "aww inc choking" or whatever. Aren't these threads for the viewers anyway? How fucking tame and uninteresting would LR threads be if we weren't allowed to share our sentiment in the heat of passion while watching players we love or.. don't love.. duking it out? You don't see soccer players or w/e being all like "HEY! Supporter of opposing team! Don't say mean stuff or talk about things you know nothing about! It makes us sad!" now do you. edit: to be clear, I'm directing this at incontrol. I know mods wouldn't ban for criticisms against players expressed in a civilized manner. My point is that players should probably refrain from reading these threads if they can't handle all the stuff that inevitably is going to be said in them.
My issue was actually with the person incontrol originally responded to. He was just wrong. It's not like he was debating the merits of what Inc should have done, but instead saying he choked. If you have a basic understanding of the game, you'd see that was not the case and the poster was talking out of their ass. Just because InControl was the person telling him to shut the fuck up since he didn't know what he was talking about (as opposed to another forum member) doesn't suddenly make InControl wrong.
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During iNcontroL's game, I was like "scout that hidden xpo!" the whole time lol, funny how easy it is for spectators to play 3rd person but much harder to actually do it :p Great set of games, go Axslav!
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During iNcontroL's game, I was like "scout that hidden xpo!" the whole time lol, funny how easy it is for spectators to play 3rd person but much harder to actually do it Great set of games, go Axslav!
ya, eventually there's a breaking point where you notice "omg all that can't be supported off one base, there must be another one out there."
That's such a bad feeling.
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Despite all the drama in this thread lol this league is getting so close! Really coming down to the wire!
On a side note - if the OP could be updated with results that would make me super extremely happy and appreciative (thank you Xeris!)
Go go liquid!
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err results? can some1 update the op
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yep, missed it aswell, read some pages and i believe EG won 3-2 but updating results cant hurt
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The games were exciting. I got a little mad watching strelok vs idra as I feel like I've been in similar situations expecting my win to be given to me, but no such luck in the world of starcraft.
all were ggs to watch though, looking forward to more.
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On February 21 2011 02:48 grumpyone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:45 vdale wrote:On February 21 2011 02:39 butch wrote:
don't diss Morrow's ZvZ in here, u make DeMuslim go rageface @ esltv ^_^ What did Demuslim say? . He said that Morrow was one of the best ZvZ players in Europe.
That's because there are only around 4 pro zerg players in europe, so if you aren't good at the matchup, you're still one of the best >_>.
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Axslav > MaNa
Strifecro > MorroW
IdrA < Strelok
iNcontroL < HasuObs
Ace Match:
Axslav > Strelok
Axslav > Strelok
Overall:
EG 3:2 Mouz
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On February 21 2011 06:28 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:On February 21 2011 05:38 Yusername wrote:On February 21 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote:
we predicted morrow/strelok and with JB being first map we knew it would be strelok.
Ax was safest choice since he is better PvP and has a solid PvT. I am the better PvZ player and close in PvT but I would be a near def loss PvP so we went with Axslav
In my 1 game against hasuobs he did a style I prepared for. We were going to DT rush it but I backed out before the match cause he also does 3 gate robo on that map so I didn't want to def lose. His strat is susceptible to 4 gate and strong vs everything else after that. There is a LOT more going on in these games than a lot of you would know. When someone loses shitty comments are typically fucking retarded. It'd be best to just assume we know what is going on and there are other factors at play. It's a lot safer than "oh wow he choked" or "he sucks." Wow, you're such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to bash whoever you want, for the most retarded reasons, but when someone does the same to you, you instantly start crying. So damn typical. As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes. I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching. The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? Yeah, I should just respect your "authorita" and shut my mouth, right? No way, douchebag. You enjoy trashtalking and making fun of others just for the heck of it, yet still can't tolerate any negative comments about yourself on an internet forum. That's hypocracy in a nutshell, buddy. It's not like you're best friends with everyone you talk shit about on SOTG. You just want to make them look bad, while getting complimented for it by all your fans. As soon as someone like myself starts criticizing you, you get all defensive and go on about how mean spirited we are. It's pathetic. Do you know who you remind me of? Cartman. Only fatter and less funny. Just like someone pointed out in another thread, this is you: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htmlNow feel free to ban me, bitch! User was temp banned for this post because he tried to be a martyr.
This post reminds me about b.net bronze leaguers crying about an "elitism in this forum" . x)
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On February 21 2011 02:19 monx wrote:
EG upset 3-2 in ace match.
i said it first. :D
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Results? Discussions on InC's announcement? I come back from the gym to see nothing but flaming... LR Son, I Am Disappoint.
User was warned for this post
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On February 21 2011 07:24 monx wrote:i said it first. :D
While you were right about the result I don't see it as an upset tbh
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Oo, seems to be good CW, looking forward to see VOD's there are some games I'd really want to see.
GG's
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yeah I'm not sure how that counts as an upset. Axslav is incredible.
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wow the 4 original 1v1s went exactly opposite to what i thought would happen LOL.
I predicted mana, morrow, idra and incontrol to win. So many upsets this cw holy shit O_O
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Oh shit, Strelok took down IdrA? My man!
Well done to EG for taking it though. Axslav is such a beast, I wonder why we're not seeing more of him at online tournaments/LANs.
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wait... Idra isn't EG's Ace?
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On February 21 2011 08:52 dsousa wrote:
wait... Idra isn't EG's Ace?
It was like 5:27 am in Korea when they played. Idra vs Strelock was casted through a replay.
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Well done EG. And to strelok, great try man, it's hard to play when you're tired. I really liked your game vs idra, and i think that strat has a lot of potential!
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On February 21 2011 08:55 StyLeD wrote:It was like 5:27 am in Korea when they played. Idra vs Strelock was casted through a replay.
Weird that he's still in Korea, not playing in the GSL, with the GSL starting in 5 hours.....
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MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslav
MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
MouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL
MouzMorroW <Jungle Basin> EGIdra
Edit: Gaaahhh Inc is monitoring this thread. Sorry Inc
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On February 21 2011 10:00 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 08:55 StyLeD wrote:On February 21 2011 08:52 dsousa wrote:
wait... Idra isn't EG's Ace? It was like 5:27 am in Korea when they played. Idra vs Strelock was casted through a replay. Weird that he's still in Korea, not playing in the GSL, with the GSL starting in 5 hours.....
Yeah, but it wouldn't have mattered since he has to leave in the middle of the season.
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On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:
As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes.
I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching.
The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right?
You don't have to be a professional to critique one. I don't have to be a first class chef to complain that my food sucks, I don't have to be an NBA player to critique somebody when they brick all of their shots, and I don't need to be a SC2 pro to bitch about the play of one.
It is a really immature attitude to assume that your level of expertise in an area both allows you to be disrespectful to others while unilaterally demanding the respect of others.
On February 21 2011 06:14 iNcontroL wrote:
No.
You are free to be critical and post your thoughts but you MUST understand that when people are dumb about it what they say they are susceptible to being told to stfu from an actual pro. I promise you. NFL quarterbacks would say the same thing if you had their ear on a daily basis.
So with that said it goes a long way when someone has respect in their post. Not posting like a dick when discussing professional players.
The difference again here is that part of the reason you don't see people being random dicks to Manning (and then whatever response he might have to that) is that Manning doesn't go around being random dicks to people in the first place. How many times has he talked shit about a fellow NFL quarterback, or even more inappropriately, a fan or small-time player?
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By placing yourself in a spot where you are highly critical and sometimes offensive to other people, you have to accept that you will receive the same in return - whether or not you think they have the credentials to be allowed to critique you.
With all this said, big congrats to EG. I was rooting for you guys the whole way and I would personally have loved to see you win Incontrol. I 100% accredit any (which certainly isn't pro level ) success I have in PvZ to constantly trying to emulate your style, and am hoping you eventually show the same mastery in PvP so I can copy you again.
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On February 21 2011 10:33 fadestep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 05:51 iNcontroL wrote:
As someone later says the difference between you and I is you are a completely irrelevant spectator that should respect the people that play at this level because you have no concept of what it takes.
I am at that level and of a place where I can be critical of my peers play because I know them on a level both personally and professionally you couldn't conceive of matching.
The fact I am explaining this to you means there is a separation of perspective within this community. Please take this as a chance, not to repost with "you think you are better than all you bitch!" And maybe give what I say a chance... cause at the end of the day I wouldn't hope to explain expert piano play to a 13 year professional veteran.. why would you assume to have that right? You don't have to be a professional to critique one. I don't have to be a first class chef to complain that my food sucks, I don't have to be an NBA player to critique somebody when they brick all of their shots, and I don't need to be a SC2 pro to bitch about the play of one. It is a really immature attitude to assume that your level of expertise in an area both allows you to be disrespectful to others while unilaterally demanding the respect of others.
You don't have to be a professional to bitch about professional level play, but yes you do have to be a professional to critique it. Lower level players simply don't have the same understanding of the game as a professional. Sure, I can bitch and moan about how bad my food is, but do I really understand the intricacies of cooking, no. And here at TL, we like to hold a posting standard a little higher than the "sitting on the couch with a beer, whining" that seems to be so prevalent.
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On February 21 2011 10:07 Sworn wrote:MouzMaNa <Lost Temple> EGAxslavMouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro MouzStrelok <Scrap Station> EGIdrAMouzHasuObs <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL MouzMorroW <Jungle Basin> EGIdraEdit: Gaaahhh Inc is monitoring this thread. Sorry Inc
Are you predicting a clan war that is finished?
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On February 21 2011 08:15 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
wow the 4 original 1v1s went exactly opposite to what i thought would happen LOL.
I predicted mana, morrow, idra and incontrol to win. So many upsets this cw holy shit O_O
I'm not too surprised by the outcome, Lost Temple has to be Axslavs best map after seeing his performance time after time on there, and Strifecro has one of the best ZvZ's in NA (and I think we've seen that Morrows ZvZ has a strange style to it, after his games against Ret at Assembly).
On the other hand I was surprised to see the result of Idra's game since it was on Scrap station, didn't expect this to go to the Ace but Axslav really clutched it out.
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wow axslav so gosu these days. nice work EG!
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Goooo Axslav! If only my brain also had the 350apm that his does..
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nice! where can i get the replays from this?
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MouzMorroW <Blistering Sands> 
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