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Nada, July and Boxer were well past their primes on BW, just serving as coaches rather than playing much as B-level class players were stomping them..
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Jaedong/Flash or Stork switching over to sc2, suddenly their respective races will become 'imbal', well at least according to all the people screaming that in this thread particular, because the mechanics are very similar (but not the same as bw), and they are simply on another level in terms of game-sense/ability/strategies
Prime example: IMMvP, a b-level terran (although he was the best T player for Woojin which isnt stating much), completely wrecking the competition ever since he started playing although his GSL results have thus far been disappointing.
There's a strong correlation to many of the players dominating the scene being all being somewhat high-level or mid-tier brood war players and it's not coincidence...
Also to note, it's interesting to note how much love there is to foreign players (IdrA, Jinro, Ret. etc...) and countless posts congratulating them on their incredible play and strategies however when a korean players win (especially the ones who's based their play around <15 minutes), all people can yell about is how much cheese, how much the GSL lacks real games and so forth...
Sigh...
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On January 18 2011 01:10 Silfurstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 01:04 cuppatea wrote:
Makes you wonder how badly someone like Flash would decimate the competition in SC2 when a mid level BW pro like mvp can ascend to the top so quickly. Seeing other top BW players' results in Sc2 (Nada, July, Boxer), even past their prime, I think we can assume that it's simply not the same game, thus a direct comparison is probably not accurate.
As you say, they're past their prime and don't have the hunger they once did. Nada won't move into the oGs house because he has other shit going on in his life and Boxer won't move into any pro team house because he's shacked up with his girlfriend.
You take a guy like Flash, who is flat out a better RTS player than anyone currently playing SC2 and have him commit himself to this game the way he does BW (which he basically lives for) and he will make all these guys we think are great now look like noobs.
A guy like Rainbow was saying in the beta that this game was more strategical so he could compete fine despite being too old by BW standards but now he's completely been left behind by mvp (the best BW player to switch so far and now arguably the best SC2 player in the world) and active B-teamers like MarineKing.
Same shit with Protoss. Tester, an old BW pro, was top dog, then Genius, a more recent B teamer came along and he was at the top, until a better B teamer than him in MC took over. Are you telling me that if Stork, Bisu or Kal made the switch (much better players than any of the above) they wouldn't be likely to take the Protoss crown?
You take any of the top 5 on the current Power Rank list, give them 2 or 3 months of hardcore SC2 practice and they will destroy anyone currently playing this game (and I come from a WC3 background so it's not as if I want to just see ex-BW pros wrecking the competition).
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What is up with TSL (The SCV Life)? Whenever they're players lose, they lose in the ugliest and most disappointing ways. Do these guys not ladder or something?
It's as if fundamentally, they don't understand the game well enough to even attempt a proper response.
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SC2 as an E-sport has really, really let me down. I've watched maybe 3 SC2 series that have compared to the AVERAGE quality I get from watching a pro BW series. I cant remember the last time I watched a BW tourny game end after both guys sent out their army and the bigger army won so the other player GGed. I believe this is due to maps, large army control groups (they tend to move as a large ball of units), and the way blizzard developed the units in general.
I'll still root for Idra and Jinro... and I'll watch their games... but my level of interest has dropped dramatically. *big sad face*
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On January 18 2011 01:09 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 01:04 cuppatea wrote:
In mvp's last 17 matches (including the Gisado race war), he's gone:
17-0 in series
31-2 in maps
With wins over (amongst others):
NesTea
MarineKing
FruitDealer
Tester
Choya
NaDa
Zenio
TheStC
IdrA
Leenock
Hyperdub
He's so dominant at this point I think I'd be more surprised see him drop a map en route to winning this GSL than not winning it at all.
Makes you wonder how badly someone like Flash would decimate the competition in SC2 when a mid level BW pro like mvp can ascend to the top so quickly. I barely know anything about Flash but if his BW wins depends mostly on his macro mechanics he won't go far in SC2. SC2 depends a lot on timings and strategy.
Lol hilarious post of the day. Saying Flash is just a mechanics hound was so... I dno, 2009?
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On January 18 2011 01:40 neoenigma wrote:
SC2 as an E-sport has really, really let me down. I've watched maybe 3 SC2 series that have compared to the AVERAGE quality I get from watching a pro BW series. I cant remember the last time I watched a BW tourny game end after both guys sent out their army and the bigger army won so the other player GGed. I believe this is due to maps, large army control groups (they tend to move as a large ball of units), and the way blizzard developed the units in general.
I'll still root for Idra and Jinro... and I'll watch their games... but my level of interest has dropped dramatically. *big sad face*
Complaining and whining about it won't help. You either watch now if you like it, or don't. Either way, it will get better with or without you lol.
Like I don't understand. Maps are getting rotated out of GSL. Large army control groups have nothing to do with anything (will BW become big army clashing together if you can control everything under 1 hotkey???).
And really, your last sentence is just irrelevant. "The game is generally bad". Yeah well if you want an actual argument, you need to be more specific...
Regardless, GIVE IT TIME LOL. You can watch BW until then.
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All the emo in here is cute. 
Loved both series. NesTea is a hero zerg but I don't know if he can take out MVP. That dude is on a mission.
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Agh the protoss! Aiur is once again disappointed. I'm starting to get the feeling 4 gate + hallucinate or robo is going to be the only safe build against terran.
Need more Huk!
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IMMvp vs Nada finals imo.
IMMvp deserves to win this tournament by far.
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On January 18 2011 01:59 darmousseh wrote:
Agh the protoss! Aiur is once again disappointed. I'm starting to get the feeling 4 gate + hallucinate or robo is going to be the only safe build against terran.
Need more Huk!
I think that Stargate into Citadel will become more standard.
Stargate just stops a lot of builds from Terran and gives you map control.
While chargelots stop all those timing pushes from Terran.
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On January 18 2011 01:19 GinDo wrote:
Wow people really hate Terran Matches where the Terran is
A) Not Jinro
B) Wins
Makes me happy to be a Terran
I have this imprssion...
I never follow the recommend thread pool if a terran wins coz it´s ALWAYS NO
and sometimes they no some awesome games....
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seems like mvp will be playing nestea if the schedule matches the bracket, or is it?
if thats the case, then it will be an interesting semi final for sure
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On January 18 2011 02:02 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 01:59 darmousseh wrote:
Agh the protoss! Aiur is once again disappointed. I'm starting to get the feeling 4 gate + hallucinate or robo is going to be the only safe build against terran.
Need more Huk! I think that Stargate into Citadel will become more standard. Stargate just stops a lot of builds from Terran and gives you map control. While chargelots stop all those timing pushes from Terran.
And then a cloaked banshee happens.
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On January 18 2011 01:09 Dionyseus wrote:
I barely know anything about Flash but if his BW wins depends mostly on his macro mechanics he won't go far in SC2. SC2 depends a lot on timings and strategy.
If you don't know anything about Flash, then don't comment on him, as that makes you sound ignorant.
Flash has excllent timing in his attacks - that's part of why he is the best BW player in the last year and a half.
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People never like when someone wins and it doesn't look impressive.
I could watch a 4-6 minute brood war game and be really, really impressed by the winner. Even if it was a rush or w-ever. Because to win those games you needed really solid execution and great timing. In starcraft 2 it's more of a yawn.
Whether it's a protoss four gate or some random terran play (they all seem to work) doesn't really matter.
I mean. I can imagine 4-gating being a really cool super-offensive move that you get to see once in awhile and that takes some really crisp execution to pull off. But the way it is now is just boring and stupid.
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i feel Nestea vs Jinro coming up.
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flash's scouting acumen and game sense would totally translate to sc2. his raw mechanics isn't actually the best, or at any rate cannot explain his performance. guys like baby and effort have better multitasking, jaedong/stork/best/bisu in the first 15 minutes etc have equivalent macro mechanics. flash just makes better decisions consistently.
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MVP laughing and what not after his matches kind of gives the impression that he's just toying with his opponent. In this case, it was Tester, who is no push over. IMNestea looked impeccable against choya, clearly outclassed him as I would my 2k protoss friends. And yet Nestea says it's more or less impossible for him to beat MVP.
MVP is clearly at the top of the SC2 world ATM.
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Neither result suprises me.
Choya is but a rock on the highway before Nestea. Tester hasn't been great in a very long time while MVP is largely considered the best Terran in the world by Koreans. TSL is full of fail recently.
Heavy fav to win the GSL is comming from this side of the bracket (MVP should beat Nestea imo).
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