On January 17 2011 20:04 Nu11 wrote: I can't believe people still believe there is even a shred of competitive play left in this game. Requiring end of tech tree to deal with tier 1 and 1.5 is retarded.
Hats off to MVP, I 100% agree he is incredible, but there was absolutely nothing protoss could do to win. No protoss could win those games, not a single one, with any build order. Its unbeatable.
You serious? No protoss could stop a 1 marine 1 marauder 1 scv poke?
And going stargate earlier would have nullified those raven pushes. In fact i think White-Ra did it all the time on saturday
Just very sloppy play from Tester
I think I've never seen white-ra going for a stargate in PvT....ever. Reps/VODs?
In the first 2 games tester tech-ed way too hard, I think. The stargate never payed off in the slightest, even a robo-bay would've been better there, I think.
WhiteRa was one of the pioneers of stargate against Terran. Opting to go for relatively quick voidrays to force a lot of marines, then tech switching to chargelot/HTs to punish it.
Again, Reps/VODs? I've seen this style, though not from him...and ages ago. I watched many games from homestorycup and didn't see him go for stargate vs T once, but I didn't see all his games.
@ admins: I hope you are ok with this discussion since the LR is over.....if not I'm sorry
On January 17 2011 20:04 Nu11 wrote: I can't believe people still believe there is even a shred of competitive play left in this game. Requiring end of tech tree to deal with tier 1 and 1.5 is retarded.
Hats off to MVP, I 100% agree he is incredible, but there was absolutely nothing protoss could do to win. No protoss could win those games, not a single one, with any build order. Its unbeatable.
Don't be stupid. Tester had an expo up in the first two games and MVP attacked with all his scvs before the expos really started paying for themselves. Tester bascially shot himself on the foot in the 3rd game. The better player won and I'm saying that as a protoss.
I am not going to say MVP is a bad player (or thrash him like some other posters here), but I would have respected him more, if he showed us a macro game like the one he had against that zerg opponent in Ro16.(which was a sick match)
MVP is a good player with lots of skill, but neither rushin (ie 3 rd game), or all-ins (1st and 2nd ones) are barely skillful. I was expecting much more than this. IMHO this series was as lame as it gets.
And don't get me started on the skill issue by saying, "but he kited."
Half-decent plats can kite with stimmed MM balls, Oh god.
On January 17 2011 20:04 Nu11 wrote: I can't believe people still believe there is even a shred of competitive play left in this game. Requiring end of tech tree to deal with tier 1 and 1.5 is retarded.
Hats off to MVP, I 100% agree he is incredible, but there was absolutely nothing protoss could do to win. No protoss could win those games, not a single one, with any build order. Its unbeatable.
lol Tester went 2 base all in which didnt pay off what do you expect to happen? Tester could have tech DT to regain his map control and stall time for HT and expand. Why didnt he do that? Cause he is desperate for a win and wanted to give all in a try. MVP being who he is wont allow that to succeed. Tell you what that all in is scary. 7 sentries with full energy against MM? MVP just outplayed Tester crazily. Tbh Tester shouldnt even be in code S, code A material.
You are so good dude, teching to DT when a raven is there and he is all in one base.JESUS what game did you watched ?
On January 17 2011 20:17 ftd.rain wrote: We should all just pretend that massing MM and pulling scvs is impressive and skillful from now on, you know, for the sake of the game.
BitByBit does this. You think he would have beaten Tester 3-0?
Stop trolling the LR thread for goodness' sakes. Or at least for the 'sake of the game'.
What I get from this is that a lesser skilled player executing a strategy will see worse returns than a player with more skill. If the matchup were really as imbalanced as you seem to be leading us to believe, I'd think it wouldn't matter who's behind the wheel.
On January 17 2011 20:17 ftd.rain wrote: We should all just pretend that massing MM and pulling scvs is impressive and skillful from now on, you know, for the sake of the game.
BitByBit does this. You think he would have beaten Tester 3-0?
Stop trolling the LR thread for goodness' sakes. Or at least for the 'sake of the game'.
Think it's kinda funny since in GSL1 Tester was known as the anti-cheese after that sick hold of the bunker rush in his base. Let's face it, Tester just got outclassed today, but thatdoesn't mean he isn't better than Rain/Clide or at least on equal footing with Jinro/MK. The problem here is just that MVP is by far the best player in the tournament right now (closely followed by Nestea and maybe Nada/MKP) and that anyone is going to have a hard time vs him.
The all ins that mvp used are fairly common. Like that is a standard build, which in of itself is bullshit, but I would like point out, compositions like this is why protoss rush for collosi so fast. Its the natural response. I'm glad artosis is playing protoss now, as it seems he's finally understanding why protoss do what they do.
sad day for protoss GSL1 and 2 we have no toss representation in round of 4 we regain our confidence back when MC won GSL 3 and now it happen yet again =/
I want to see Nestea smash MVP... so terran can cry some more for buffs when it is clear that they don't need them. "but no terran has won a GSL /cry"
But seriously I would love to see a Jinro vs MVP fight, and for Jinro to roll MVP with his beautiful macro skills. At least Jinro knows how to win TvPs with style.
On January 17 2011 20:19 Providence wrote: So what do you guys think--Nestea or MVP? Both have noted in the interviews as thinking the other is going to win, which I think is quite cool and cute :D
MVP vs Z has been brutal to watch lately, completely annihilated all of them and I see him doing that again to NesTea too.
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Tester reminds me of the sort of flashy sports star that people love to watch because he does some exciting and clutch plays at times, even if he gets beaten by poor mistakes at others. Like a tennis player who saves match point with an incredible winner, only to double fault the next point and throw the match away.
On January 17 2011 20:18 Lipski wrote: funny thing is, in game 3 it was tester who went all in with 7(8?) gates off 2 bases, and got manhandled. IMMvP is just better. tester is way overrated, going for fast expo, and losing 6 probes to 1 marauder, 1 marine and an scv, and not scouting that bunker. also, while his probes were pwned by kiting marine+marauder, his stalker was attacking empty bunker. seriously, i can't imagine MC losing like that.
Tester basically had to go all in in game 3 because he was so far behind. So that is not really a 'funny thing'. Tester, for the most part, played sloppy tonight. He did have a few moments though.
On January 17 2011 20:25 2l84that wrote: I am not going to say MVP is a bad player (or thrash him like some other posters here), but I would have respected him more, if he showed us a macro game like the one he had against that zerg opponent in Ro16.(which was a sick match)
MVP is a good player with lots of skill, but neither rushin (ie 3 rd game), or all-ins (1st and 2nd ones) are barely skillful. I was expecting much more than this. IMHO this series was as lame as it gets.
And don't get me started on the skill issue by saying, "but he kited."
Half-decent plats can kite with stimmed MM balls, Oh god.
Wasn't game 3 a macro game from MVP?
If I recall correctly it was Tester who chose to stay on 2 base and all-in gateway push. At one point MVP was making his fourth, and Tester was nowhere near his third. If that isn't overwhelming macro play then I don't know what is.
On January 17 2011 20:17 osten wrote: Fun matches today, a little technical difficulties both with the stream and games but what is the deal with Tastosis feeling the urge to call the game too early. Several times today and it's like it's growing. They never focus on what is happening in a battle, there's 90% almost always Artosis saying he will win...... No the other guy will win..... No he will win... yeah... No the other guy.. All these exciting swings is why starcraft is fun, but it's being thrown away I think because we don't need a horoscope. Nobody will ever surpass these commentators but there are things to improve.
You complained about it earlier in the thread and you still feel the need to repeat yourself?
Really?
What are you talking about I was talking about the fight on shakuras, an entire different set.
And your way of aggro discussing is by simply saying "Really?" What is your thing?
On January 17 2011 20:25 2l84that wrote: I am not going to say MVP is a bad player (or thrash him like some other posters here), but I would have respected him more, if he showed us a macro game like the one he had against that zerg opponent in Ro16.(which was a sick match)
MVP is a good player with lots of skill, but neither rushin (ie 3 rd game), or all-ins (1st and 2nd ones) are barely skillful. I was expecting much more than this. IMHO this series was as lame as it gets.
And don't get me started on the skill issue by saying, "but he kited."
Half-decent plats can kite with stimmed MM balls, Oh god.
On January 17 2011 20:29 DarkRise wrote: sad day for protoss GSL1 and 2 we have no toss representation in round of 4 we regain our confidence back when MC won GSL 3 and now it happen yet again =/
On January 17 2011 20:25 2l84that wrote: I am not going to say MVP is a bad player (or thrash him like some other posters here), but I would have respected him more, if he showed us a macro game like the one he had against that zerg opponent in Ro16.(which was a sick match)
MVP is a good player with lots of skill, but neither rushin (ie 3 rd game), or all-ins (1st and 2nd ones) are barely skillful. I was expecting much more than this. IMHO this series was as lame as it gets.
And don't get me started on the skill issue by saying, "but he kited."
Half-decent plats can kite with stimmed MM balls, Oh god.
Actually, it takes a lot of skill to know when to all-in and when to not. In the first game Tester goes Nexus off of one gate before cyber core and MVP scouted it. Why would you not time an all in right as the expo finishes? Third game MVP macro'd way better than tester. I'm not sure what you're basing your comments off of
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