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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
January 18 2011 10:42 GMT
#21
gogo moonglade Would be nice to see him represent SEA as he is definitely the best player to come out of there, and would give IEM the best chance for a high showing out of SEA server
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krysis2010
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore53 Posts
January 18 2011 11:53 GMT
#22
GOGO ! Sign up for a chance to go to Germany!!!
former eSports organiser// now studying.
Shuffleus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia764 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 13:06:45
January 18 2011 13:06 GMT
#23
On January 18 2011 19:42 ZlaSHeR wrote:
gogo moonglade Would be nice to see him represent SEA as he is definitely the best player to come out of there, and would give IEM the best chance for a high showing out of SEA server


I wouldn't bet on it, I'd be assuming he'd have to off-race in order to qualify on a map pool like that, no Terrans or Protoss out there are still incompetent enough to lose a P/TvZ on Steppes or Delta.
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Rhodan
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia232 Posts
January 18 2011 13:59 GMT
#24
Map Pool is pretty terrible, theres a reason no tournaments use steppes or DQ anymore;

Steppes is an autowin for T in TvP and TvZ and P in PvZ

DQ is almost as bad for ZvP and ZvT and so-so PvT

Especially in Bo1... either way, worth a shot I guess so I signed up could get lucky with my opponents on certain maps =/
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok." - Liquid`Tyler
krysis2010
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore53 Posts
January 18 2011 15:43 GMT
#25
Hey guys! Map pool has been updated! You can check it out in the link below!

http://www.esl-asia.net/sea/sc2/1on1/iem5sc2quali/leagueinfo/


1st Round Xel Naga Caverns
2nd Round Jungle Basin
3rd Round Metalopolis
4th Round Scrap Station
5th Round Steppes of War
6th Round Shakuras Plateau
7th Round Delta Quadrant
Quarter Final (see rules) (see rules)
Semi Final (see rules) (see rules)
Final (see rules) (see rules)

This is based on a setting of max signups.

former eSports organiser// now studying.
Raiju
Profile Joined December 2007
Australia235 Posts
January 18 2011 23:04 GMT
#26
[QUOTE]On January 18 2011 22:59 Rhodan wrote:
Steppes is an autowin for T in TvP and TvZ and P in PvZ

DQ is almost as bad for ZvP and ZvT and so-so PvT


U have no idea what ur talking about
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
January 18 2011 23:24 GMT
#27
I was sad that I was going to miss this...


Till I saw everything about the comp other than "IEM".

But seriously the format is pretty atrocious :/. Bo1s with broken as hell maps?
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Xp
Profile Joined January 2011
China63 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 03:48:51
January 19 2011 03:48 GMT
#28
The format is BO1 until the quarter finals.

Those "hell maps" as you call them are included into the ESL Intel Extreme Masters European and American Championship. When our Asia Winner will reach the World Finals in Germany with each single match valued at least a couple hundreds/thousands dollars, it will be better for him to have already played the maps during his own qualifier/championship.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
January 19 2011 04:59 GMT
#29
Just because they are used in the other ESL IEM tournaments does not make them better maps. They are still horrible and still should not be used.
I like how ESL tries to do so well, and they have a strong community, but in my opinion ESL always fails with what they try to do. Money is the only real reason I think ESL is seems so successful.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Xp
Profile Joined January 2011
China63 Posts
January 19 2011 05:49 GMT
#30
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.
aLt)nirvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Singapore848 Posts
January 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#31
oh dear the format/maps T_T.

im not playing in this but i pity players with a geniune shot at winning IEM SEA aka glade having to go against say a decent toss on jungle basin or terran on steeps in a BO1 which will really screw him over.
sc2sea.com - The SEA / ANZ community
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
January 19 2011 09:01 GMT
#32
Format and maps aside, hoping to see some competition and some solid games. Good luck to everyone entering I'll be tuning in for surreeee.

Bo1 really sucks but lol :<
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
January 19 2011 09:02 GMT
#33
All maps should be based on a veto system, so that noone has to play on the most garbage maps for their race/matchup.
Xp
Profile Joined January 2011
China63 Posts
January 19 2011 09:23 GMT
#34
Unless we use two time the same maps during the Bo1 Phase, we do not have any other choice than using those conflicts maps.
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
January 19 2011 09:49 GMT
#35
On January 19 2011 18:23 Xp wrote:
Unless we use two time the same maps during the Bo1 Phase, we do not have any other choice than using those conflicts maps.


There is no problem using the same maps twice. From a competitive standpoint, in bo1's you absolutely will need to use the same maps twice or more simply because there are 3-4 balanced maps per matchup at most.
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 01:32:28
January 21 2011 01:32 GMT
#36
On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.


If the maps disadvantage a better player/potential chamion such that he will lose to the lesser player in a bo1 series, it wouldn't be fair to his chances.

IMO the bo1 map should just be XNC as it's probably the most balanced map out there, maybe Shakuras.
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Shuffleus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia764 Posts
January 22 2011 04:48 GMT
#37
On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.


On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.



The logic used to come to this argument is so unbelievably broken. Have you played on these maps? If not, let me tell you something; There is no way in the world you're going to find a Zerg qualifying from SEA or any other region if you continue to use those maps. They are horrendous for Zerg in all but a mirror matchup, literally unplayable against competent competition.

Why do you believe that the IEM qualifiers in Europe produced 10 terrans and 2 protoss? This isn't an oddity; it's a direct result of the Maps. Players like dimaga just don't qualify because 'Europe terrans are better', they don't qualify because your map pool essentially inhibits them from competing.

You Justify your completely broken maps in the qualifing stage by explaining that they are the maps picked in the finals of the tournament but this doesn't address the issue at hand. Map imbalance is not a new thing, it is a well understood issue among the community and all signs point to maps like Steppes, Delta and to a lesser extent Jungle Basin and Lost Temple being almost unplayable/heavily imbalanced in ZvX Matchups. These maps are beyond unfair, they'll bring the finals of your tournament down to two races, and give one an inherent advantage at that.

If changing the maps at the finals is what is required to change the maps in the qualifiers then start there. But if you want the IEM to have any sort of balance integrity, these maps is what you should be addressing.
| QuanticGaming.com | There is no greater feeling then to find order in the chaos, as you slip the puzzle pieces in place.
Rhodan
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia232 Posts
January 22 2011 07:33 GMT
#38
On January 22 2011 13:48 MooiSh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.


On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.



The logic used to come to this argument is so unbelievably broken. Have you played on these maps? If not, let me tell you something; There is no way in the world you're going to find a Zerg qualifying from SEA or any other region if you continue to use those maps. They are horrendous for Zerg in all but a mirror matchup, literally unplayable against competent competition.

Why do you believe that the IEM qualifiers in Europe produced 10 terrans and 2 protoss? This isn't an oddity; it's a direct result of the Maps. Players like dimaga just don't qualify because 'Europe terrans are better', they don't qualify because your map pool essentially inhibits them from competing.

You Justify your completely broken maps in the qualifing stage by explaining that they are the maps picked in the finals of the tournament but this doesn't address the issue at hand. Map imbalance is not a new thing, it is a well understood issue among the community and all signs point to maps like Steppes, Delta and to a lesser extent Jungle Basin and Lost Temple being almost unplayable/heavily imbalanced in ZvX Matchups. These maps are beyond unfair, they'll bring the finals of your tournament down to two races, and give one an inherent advantage at that.

If changing the maps at the finals is what is required to change the maps in the qualifiers then start there. But if you want the IEM to have any sort of balance integrity, these maps is what you should be addressing.


Quoting this because its the truth sadly.

On an unrelated note, I thought I had signed up but it appears It didnt work.... so good luck to all playing
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok." - Liquid`Tyler
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
January 22 2011 07:47 GMT
#39
On January 22 2011 16:33 Rhodan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 13:48 MooiSh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.


On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.



The logic used to come to this argument is so unbelievably broken. Have you played on these maps? If not, let me tell you something; There is no way in the world you're going to find a Zerg qualifying from SEA or any other region if you continue to use those maps. They are horrendous for Zerg in all but a mirror matchup, literally unplayable against competent competition.

Why do you believe that the IEM qualifiers in Europe produced 10 terrans and 2 protoss? This isn't an oddity; it's a direct result of the Maps. Players like dimaga just don't qualify because 'Europe terrans are better', they don't qualify because your map pool essentially inhibits them from competing.

You Justify your completely broken maps in the qualifing stage by explaining that they are the maps picked in the finals of the tournament but this doesn't address the issue at hand. Map imbalance is not a new thing, it is a well understood issue among the community and all signs point to maps like Steppes, Delta and to a lesser extent Jungle Basin and Lost Temple being almost unplayable/heavily imbalanced in ZvX Matchups. These maps are beyond unfair, they'll bring the finals of your tournament down to two races, and give one an inherent advantage at that.

If changing the maps at the finals is what is required to change the maps in the qualifiers then start there. But if you want the IEM to have any sort of balance integrity, these maps is what you should be addressing.


Quoting this because its the truth sadly.

On an unrelated note, I thought I had signed up but it appears It didnt work.... so good luck to all playing


me too, lol
Shuffleus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia764 Posts
January 22 2011 07:54 GMT
#40
On January 22 2011 16:47 deth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 16:33 Rhodan wrote:
On January 22 2011 13:48 MooiSh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.


On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote:
It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion.



The logic used to come to this argument is so unbelievably broken. Have you played on these maps? If not, let me tell you something; There is no way in the world you're going to find a Zerg qualifying from SEA or any other region if you continue to use those maps. They are horrendous for Zerg in all but a mirror matchup, literally unplayable against competent competition.

Why do you believe that the IEM qualifiers in Europe produced 10 terrans and 2 protoss? This isn't an oddity; it's a direct result of the Maps. Players like dimaga just don't qualify because 'Europe terrans are better', they don't qualify because your map pool essentially inhibits them from competing.

You Justify your completely broken maps in the qualifing stage by explaining that they are the maps picked in the finals of the tournament but this doesn't address the issue at hand. Map imbalance is not a new thing, it is a well understood issue among the community and all signs point to maps like Steppes, Delta and to a lesser extent Jungle Basin and Lost Temple being almost unplayable/heavily imbalanced in ZvX Matchups. These maps are beyond unfair, they'll bring the finals of your tournament down to two races, and give one an inherent advantage at that.

If changing the maps at the finals is what is required to change the maps in the qualifiers then start there. But if you want the IEM to have any sort of balance integrity, these maps is what you should be addressing.


Quoting this because its the truth sadly.

On an unrelated note, I thought I had signed up but it appears It didnt work.... so good luck to all playing


me too, lol


I'm in the same boat it seems, ah well, i guess this gives me a less stressful way out of this tournament!
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