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Would be nice to see him represent SEA as he is definitely the best player to come out of there, and would give IEM the best chance for a high showing out of SEA server[SEA] Intel Extreme Masters SEA SC2 Asia Qualifier - Page 2
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Would be nice to see him represent SEA as he is definitely the best player to come out of there, and would give IEM the best chance for a high showing out of SEA server | ||
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krysis2010
Singapore53 Posts
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Shuffleus
Australia764 Posts
On January 18 2011 19:42 ZlaSHeR wrote: gogo moonglade Would be nice to see him represent SEA as he is definitely the best player to come out of there, and would give IEM the best chance for a high showing out of SEA serverI wouldn't bet on it, I'd be assuming he'd have to off-race in order to qualify on a map pool like that, no Terrans or Protoss out there are still incompetent enough to lose a P/TvZ on Steppes or Delta. | ||
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Rhodan
Australia232 Posts
Steppes is an autowin for T in TvP and TvZ and P in PvZ DQ is almost as bad for ZvP and ZvT and so-so PvT Especially in Bo1... either way, worth a shot I guess so I signed up could get lucky with my opponents on certain maps =/ | ||
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krysis2010
Singapore53 Posts
http://www.esl-asia.net/sea/sc2/1on1/iem5sc2quali/leagueinfo/ 1st Round Xel Naga Caverns 2nd Round Jungle Basin 3rd Round Metalopolis 4th Round Scrap Station 5th Round Steppes of War 6th Round Shakuras Plateau 7th Round Delta Quadrant Quarter Final (see rules) (see rules) Semi Final (see rules) (see rules) Final (see rules) (see rules) This is based on a setting of max signups. | ||
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Raiju
Australia235 Posts
Steppes is an autowin for T in TvP and TvZ and P in PvZ DQ is almost as bad for ZvP and ZvT and so-so PvT U have no idea what ur talking about | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
Till I saw everything about the comp other than "IEM". But seriously the format is pretty atrocious :/. Bo1s with broken as hell maps? | ||
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Xp
China63 Posts
Those "hell maps" as you call them are included into the ESL Intel Extreme Masters European and American Championship. When our Asia Winner will reach the World Finals in Germany with each single match valued at least a couple hundreds/thousands dollars, it will be better for him to have already played the maps during his own qualifier/championship. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
I like how ESL tries to do so well, and they have a strong community, but in my opinion ESL always fails with what they try to do. Money is the only real reason I think ESL is seems so successful. | ||
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Xp
China63 Posts
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore848 Posts
im not playing in this but i pity players with a geniune shot at winning IEM SEA aka glade having to go against say a decent toss on jungle basin or terran on steeps in a BO1 which will really screw him over. | ||
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
Bo1 really sucks but lol :< | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
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Xp
China63 Posts
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On January 19 2011 18:23 Xp wrote: Unless we use two time the same maps during the Bo1 Phase, we do not have any other choice than using those conflicts maps. There is no problem using the same maps twice. From a competitive standpoint, in bo1's you absolutely will need to use the same maps twice or more simply because there are 3-4 balanced maps per matchup at most. | ||
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote: It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion. If the maps disadvantage a better player/potential chamion such that he will lose to the lesser player in a bo1 series, it wouldn't be fair to his chances. IMO the bo1 map should just be XNC as it's probably the most balanced map out there, maybe Shakuras. | ||
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Shuffleus
Australia764 Posts
On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote: It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion. On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote: It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion. The logic used to come to this argument is so unbelievably broken. Have you played on these maps? If not, let me tell you something; There is no way in the world you're going to find a Zerg qualifying from SEA or any other region if you continue to use those maps. They are horrendous for Zerg in all but a mirror matchup, literally unplayable against competent competition. Why do you believe that the IEM qualifiers in Europe produced 10 terrans and 2 protoss? This isn't an oddity; it's a direct result of the Maps. Players like dimaga just don't qualify because 'Europe terrans are better', they don't qualify because your map pool essentially inhibits them from competing. You Justify your completely broken maps in the qualifing stage by explaining that they are the maps picked in the finals of the tournament but this doesn't address the issue at hand. Map imbalance is not a new thing, it is a well understood issue among the community and all signs point to maps like Steppes, Delta and to a lesser extent Jungle Basin and Lost Temple being almost unplayable/heavily imbalanced in ZvX Matchups. These maps are beyond unfair, they'll bring the finals of your tournament down to two races, and give one an inherent advantage at that. If changing the maps at the finals is what is required to change the maps in the qualifiers then start there. But if you want the IEM to have any sort of balance integrity, these maps is what you should be addressing. | ||
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Rhodan
Australia232 Posts
On January 22 2011 13:48 MooiSh wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote: It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion. On January 19 2011 14:49 Xp wrote: It has never been said they are better map. ESL is listening to the community, however in this case it is a regional qualifier to a big tournament. Why would we use other maps than those of this tournament, this would not benefit at all to our champion. The logic used to come to this argument is so unbelievably broken. Have you played on these maps? If not, let me tell you something; There is no way in the world you're going to find a Zerg qualifying from SEA or any other region if you continue to use those maps. They are horrendous for Zerg in all but a mirror matchup, literally unplayable against competent competition. Why do you believe that the IEM qualifiers in Europe produced 10 terrans and 2 protoss? This isn't an oddity; it's a direct result of the Maps. Players like dimaga just don't qualify because 'Europe terrans are better', they don't qualify because your map pool essentially inhibits them from competing. You Justify your completely broken maps in the qualifing stage by explaining that they are the maps picked in the finals of the tournament but this doesn't address the issue at hand. Map imbalance is not a new thing, it is a well understood issue among the community and all signs point to maps like Steppes, Delta and to a lesser extent Jungle Basin and Lost Temple being almost unplayable/heavily imbalanced in ZvX Matchups. These maps are beyond unfair, they'll bring the finals of your tournament down to two races, and give one an inherent advantage at that. If changing the maps at the finals is what is required to change the maps in the qualifiers then start there. But if you want the IEM to have any sort of balance integrity, these maps is what you should be addressing. Quoting this because its the truth sadly. On an unrelated note, I thought I had signed up but it appears It didnt work.... so good luck to all playing | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On January 22 2011 16:33 Rhodan wrote: Quoting this because its the truth sadly. On an unrelated note, I thought I had signed up but it appears It didnt work.... so good luck to all playing me too, lol | ||
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Shuffleus
Australia764 Posts
I'm in the same boat it seems, ah well, i guess this gives me a less stressful way out of this tournament! | ||
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