Team Liquid beats Mouz 4-2 Mouz wins over Prime 4-3 EG beats Mouz 4-3 EG beats Team Liquid 4-3 Root takes the series of Mouz 4-3 EG comes back and beats Prime 4-3 Team Liquid wins over Prime 4-3 Root beats Team Liquid 4-1
Finals EG takes 1st place with a 4-0 win over Root
For each individual results of the games and links to the youtube videos, CLICK HERE*
*Edward gave me access to his account to edit the original post. Thanks. -ptbl
Welcome to the 1st Annual Machinima Realm Invitational tournament
Participating Teams: EG, Mouz, Prime, Root, and Team Liquid,
The tournament has a prize pool of $2500. 1st Team Place: $2000 2nd Team Place: $500
The format for each team match-up will be 4 1v1's and 2 2v2 matches. If it is necessary, there will an ace match 7th game, which will be a 1v1. Matches will be played on players' own time, and Crota will cast the replays
About the Caster Crota is the offical caster of the Machinima Realm Invitational. He has cast over 600 videos. He has been casting SC2 games since the beta. http://www.youtube.com/user/BlizShouter
Wow that some teams mouse = pretty much the #1 team in EU prime = #2 or 3 in Korea Root = #1 in Canada ? EG and TL = do i need to mention anything? Interesting that 2v2 is included
Err Prime didn't even send their top 4 players maka,check , foxer and hongun isn't on the line up while junwi and july who isnt even on the team is on.
This tourney must have been organized months ago. July and Junwi haven't been part of Prime for ages. I know Crota mentioned on his stream that he's been trying to set this up for a while, so who knows?
Also Prime lineup looks a bit suspect, are they definitely confirmed to play with those people?
But pretty fantastic tournament I have to say, looking forward to it. I'd expect it to be between TL and Prime to decide the winner, but mouz is quite strong too and Root can be there or thereabout as well.
Crota, congrats! I am very impressed with the lineup of the teams. I remember you announcing on your stream about hosting and casting a team tournament. This has gone beyond my wildest expectations. Great job!
wtf why 2 2v2s? if youre goina add 2v2 atleast jus do 1 . no one practices 2v2!!! with the exception of drewbie catz strife axslav, that should be fun to watch btw
Eh, take this tourny with a grain of salt. This tourny does not seem to be so much about trying to show who is best so much as an attempt to spread e-sports.
On January 08 2011 05:47 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, take this tourny with a grain of salt. This tourny does not seem to be so much about trying to show who is best so much as an attempt to spread e-sports.
Just because fnatic and KawaiiRice isn't part of this tournament, doesn't mean you have to trash it. I think we should be glad that sponsors and casters are willing to put on sc2 events and help spread e-sports.
On January 08 2011 05:47 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, take this tourny with a grain of salt. This tourny does not seem to be so much about trying to show who is best so much as an attempt to spread e-sports.
Just because fnatic and KawaiiRice isn't part of this tournament, doesn't mean you have to trash it. I think we should be glad that sponsors and casters are willing to put on sc2 events and help spread e-sports.
On January 08 2011 05:47 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, take this tourny with a grain of salt. This tourny does not seem to be so much about trying to show who is best so much as an attempt to spread e-sports.
Just because fnatic and KawaiiRice isn't part of this tournament, doesn't mean you have to trash it. I think we should be glad that sponsors and casters are willing to put on sc2 events and help spread e-sports.
On January 08 2011 05:47 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, take this tourny with a grain of salt. This tourny does not seem to be so much about trying to show who is best so much as an attempt to spread e-sports.
Just because fnatic and KawaiiRice isn't part of this tournament, doesn't mean you have to trash it. I think we should be glad that sponsors and casters are willing to put on sc2 events and help spread e-sports.
lolwut? That came out of nowhere.
I am correct in my observation, right?
I was actually referring to the complaints about 2v2. Being the hardcore tourny site TL is, 2v2s are often just played for fun or with casual friends. My point was that it was not a tourny to prove who is really the best player in the world, but to create one hell of a show for people who may not be familiar with the SC II e-sports scene.
Not only that, the prize pool will also add more hype, tension, and excitement to the matches. Especially for finals.
On January 08 2011 05:47 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, take this tourny with a grain of salt. This tourny does not seem to be so much about trying to show who is best so much as an attempt to spread e-sports.
Just because fnatic and KawaiiRice isn't part of this tournament, doesn't mean you have to trash it. I think we should be glad that sponsors and casters are willing to put on sc2 events and help spread e-sports.
lolwut? That came out of nowhere.
I am correct in my observation, right?
I was actually referring to the complaints about 2v2. Being the hardcore tourny site TL is, 2v2s are often just played for fun or with casual friends. My point was that it was not a tourny to prove who is really the best player in the world, but to create one hell of a show for people who may not be familiar with the SC II e-sports scene.
Not only that, the prize pool will also add more hype, tension, and excitement to the matches. Especially for finals.
Oh my bad. I thought you were trashing the tournament when you said "take it with a grain of salt." Are we still cool?
On January 08 2011 05:47 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, take this tourny with a grain of salt. This tourny does not seem to be so much about trying to show who is best so much as an attempt to spread e-sports.
Just because fnatic and KawaiiRice isn't part of this tournament, doesn't mean you have to trash it. I think we should be glad that sponsors and casters are willing to put on sc2 events and help spread e-sports.
lolwut? That came out of nowhere.
I am correct in my observation, right?
I was actually referring to the complaints about 2v2. Being the hardcore tourny site TL is, 2v2s are often just played for fun or with casual friends. My point was that it was not a tourny to prove who is really the best player in the world, but to create one hell of a show for people who may not be familiar with the SC II e-sports scene.
Not only that, the prize pool will also add more hype, tension, and excitement to the matches. Especially for finals.
Oh my bad. I thought you were trashing the tournament when you said "take it with a grain of salt." Are we still cool?
Haha, no problem at all. I take it that you often visit the stream?
On January 08 2011 05:47 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, take this tourny with a grain of salt. This tourny does not seem to be so much about trying to show who is best so much as an attempt to spread e-sports.
Just because fnatic and KawaiiRice isn't part of this tournament, doesn't mean you have to trash it. I think we should be glad that sponsors and casters are willing to put on sc2 events and help spread e-sports.
lolwut? That came out of nowhere.
I am correct in my observation, right?
I was actually referring to the complaints about 2v2. Being the hardcore tourny site TL is, 2v2s are often just played for fun or with casual friends. My point was that it was not a tourny to prove who is really the best player in the world, but to create one hell of a show for people who may not be familiar with the SC II e-sports scene.
Not only that, the prize pool will also add more hype, tension, and excitement to the matches. Especially for finals.
Oh my bad. I thought you were trashing the tournament when you said "take it with a grain of salt." Are we still cool?
Haha, no problem at all. I take it that you often visit the stream?
KawaiiRice is one of my favorite streams. I like the japanese music he plays. Plus, Terran is probably my most favorite race.
I think 2vs2 deserves a chance - I mean back in Beta people complained about the 2vs2 maps being too big after they kicked out the 1vs1 maps out of the 2vs2 ladder rotation, but now people are complaining about the 1vs1 maps being too small -- so maybe the 2vs2 maps are really good for 2vs2 on competitive level and there is no reason why starcraft should be played solely 1vs1 in the pro circuit (except lazyness).
On January 08 2011 06:26 TBO wrote: I think 2vs2 deserves a chance - I mean back in Beta people complained about the 2vs2 maps being too big after they kicked out the 1vs1 maps out of the 2vs2 ladder rotation, but now people are complaining about the 1vs1 maps being too small -- so maybe the 2vs2 maps are really good for 2vs2 on competitive level and there is no reason why starcraft should be played solely 1vs1 in the pro circuit (except lazyness).
I enjoy competitive 2v2 matches. I remember watching TLO and Laejten in the 2on2 Ladies Choice tournament. Some great games.
2v2 was played for YEARS at the korean proleague. Is kinda dumb say that 2x2 is casual.
I just didn't quite understand one thing. Kiwikaki, for exemple, will have to play 4 times at the same map? It really really suck, and I wonder why he didn't put shakuras at the rotation :S
On January 08 2011 06:33 debasers wrote: 2v2 was played for YEARS at the korean proleague. Is kinda dumb say that 2x2 is casual.
I just didn't quite understand one thing. Kiwikaki, for exemple, will have to play 4 times at the same map? It really really suck, and I wonder why he didn't put shakuras at the rotation :S
everyone is playing the same map 4 times. teams decided which map they want each of their players to play on, and they play on that map against all 4 teams
On January 08 2011 06:33 debasers wrote: 2v2 was played for YEARS at the korean proleague. Is kinda dumb say that 2x2 is casual.
I just didn't quite understand one thing. Kiwikaki, for exemple, will have to play 4 times at the same map? It really really suck, and I wonder why he didn't put shakuras at the rotation :S
everyone is playing the same map 4 times. teams decided which map they want each of their players to play on, and they play on that map against all 4 teams
oh, ty. Well, not to bad, at least they can choose the players. The bad thing is that there are a lot of Mirror matchups!
Also, Naama talked to you at your stream, saying about playing a match, I was wondering what it was at that time, now I know, lol
Wow, I looked again and there isn't a single zerg at Lost Temple and Delta Quadrant, they are all at the first 2 maps. That really suck for the entertainment, mirrors suck so much >:
Nice! Some 2v2s! I would really like to see some restrictions though so the games don't result in one player pooling the other player minerals the whole time or something like that. Either way those teams are awesome and I can't wait to see them.
(A little ironic, seeing as I'm posting on TEAMLIQUID.net, but: ) I'm rooting for EG. They've always been the favorite of mine, and when IdrA joined, it just got better.
I am excited to see how the koreans match up, some people are complaining about prime's lineup but lol. July / Junwi / Polt / Lotze are all code A or better and are sick monsters T_T
On January 08 2011 09:00 drewbie.root wrote: I am excited to see how the koreans match up, some people are complaining about prime's lineup but lol. July / Junwi / Polt / Lotze are all code A or better and are sick monsters T_T
Polt is pretty sick. People don't give him enough credit, he's not tip of the S class, but I would say on a good day he's one of the better players, and July/Junwi, well, they're awesome by default. I dunno about Lotze, he hasn't really impressed me much.
On January 08 2011 05:27 Wolf wrote: Remove the 2v2s and I'll get interested
Don't do this.
high level 2v2's are rare to see, and seeing these teams 2v2 potential is awesome, the last thing I want to see is to have it removed because not only does it give it a unique flair but hopefully everyone can see how awesome teams like Drewbie+Catz, Strifecro+Axslav, TLO+Jinro, etc. can be at 2v2's.
On January 08 2011 05:31 lazyfeet wrote: No fnatics?
fairly surprised myself, but that doesn't mean that this tournament won't still be amazing
On January 08 2011 06:14 Turgid wrote: Maybe they're just trying to make 2v2s competitive again. There used to be professional 2v2 players, after all.
I agree, anyone complaining about 2v2's being in this just hasn't really seen how good some of these 2v2 players are.
Drewbie is a former A or A+ 2v2 player in Starcraft 2 I believe, and that is NO small feat. Strifecro and Axslav were known to be one of the best 2v2 pairs in WC3.
One last question though, why is it that they're called Prime, but there are players with both the IM, Prime, and ST tags? Is this just supposed to be the random group of koreans team or something? Because it looks to be a big group of people from scattered teams.
I like the way the map pool is set up. It's kind of interesting. No more zvt on lost temple.
The lineup is awesome as well. I'm curious as to whether demuslim will play for EG in someone's place as he has been added to team EG recently.
I can't wait!
I don't understand what the fuss is about fnatic though. Yes they are a great team, but they aren't the only one that aren't participating. There are only so many spots. There are plenty of teams from korea just as qualified as fnatic (and just as qualified as any of the teams picked to play), anyway. I guess it's just the way the cookie crumbles?
On January 08 2011 11:57 Xeris wrote: i'm surprised too
What, your sad that July is playing? Or just jealous?
Have to say this tournament looks just awesome! So many good games we can expect. And finally there is more attention to teams in sc2. Also good selection of the teams.
im rooting for root (damn im clever)... the main reason is cuz they have the best streams (catz/drewbie/qxc). especially qxc... his fans on the stream are absolutely hilarious with their constant pms lol...
and it'd be nice to see the most localized clan relative to me do well
On January 08 2011 05:06 GP wrote: This tourney must have been organized months ago. July and Junwi haven't been part of Prime for ages. I know Crota mentioned on his stream that he's been trying to set this up for a while, so who knows?
I think they are in Prime the CLAN but not Prime the TEAM. Im almost sure Prime has a clan and a team.
On January 08 2011 05:06 GP wrote: This tourney must have been organized months ago. July and Junwi haven't been part of Prime for ages. I know Crota mentioned on his stream that he's been trying to set this up for a while, so who knows?
I think they are in Prime the CLAN but not Prime the TEAM. Im almost sure Prime has a clan and a team.
Prime is first and foremost a clan, with a subdivision team in their lineup. It is the same with the SlayerS clan, which also fields a competitive team.
On January 08 2011 12:00 TT1 wrote: lol eg over fnatic, paying idra gets u invited to leagues tho
I also believe fnatic deserves in but are you really going to try to take a shit on EG in the attempts to get in? Because obviously that'll do nothing but hurt your guys credibility.
On January 08 2011 12:00 TT1 wrote: lol eg over fnatic, paying idra gets u invited to leagues tho
I also believe fnatic deserves in but are you really going to try to take a shit on EG in the attempts to get in? Because obviously that'll do nothing but hurt your guys credibility.
did i talk shit? i said fnatic deserves the spot more than eg and due to our results its true
On January 08 2011 12:00 TT1 wrote: lol eg over fnatic, paying idra gets u invited to leagues tho
I also believe fnatic deserves in but are you really going to try to take a shit on EG in the attempts to get in? Because obviously that'll do nothing but hurt your guys credibility.
did i talk shit? i said fnatic deserves the spot more than eg and due to our results its true
Is there some history/bad blood between EG and fnatic? Just wondering.
I'm not saying you're talking shit, I'm saying you're taking a shit on them for being in the tournament. Yes fnatic deserves to be in, but isn't that more the tournament organizers fault for thinking that EG attracts more viewers to the tournament than fnatic? Yes fnatic has beaten EG in clanwars a couple months ago but has a clan war with both teams best lineup been shown? no. Don't blame them for accepting the invite.
Jinro answered that for those who are still asking, supposedly Prime is both a clan and a team. So you can be part of the clan, but not an actual team member.
On January 09 2011 12:24 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm not saying you're talking shit, I'm saying you're taking a shit on them for being in the tournament.
That's kind of loaded to be honest. If anything, he took a shit on the tournament for picking EG over fnatic, although I wouldn't really call it "shitting" in the first place.
Nobody blamed EG for anything. I can't imagine how the organizers believe EG's lineup (up until the Ace) matches the standards of other teams involved, especially compared to Fnatic's hypothetical lineup, but it's their call I suppose.
I do genuinely wonder as to why fnatic doesn't even seem to have been contacted though (from what could be assumed from tt1/xeris's posts).
On January 09 2011 12:24 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm not saying you're talking shit, I'm saying you're taking a shit on them for being in the tournament.
That's kind of loaded to be honest. If anything, he took a shit on the tournament for picking EG over fnatic, although I wouldn't really call it "shitting" in the first place.
Nobody blamed EG for anything. I can't imagine how the organizers believe EG's lineup (up until the Ace) matches the standards of other teams involved, especially compared to Fnatic's hypothetical lineup, but it's their call I suppose.
I do genuinely wonder as to why fnatic doesn't even seem to have been contacted though (from what could be assumed from tt1/xeris's posts).
yea but i shouldnt have singled eg out, its not as if they forced the tournament organizors into making their decision.. their just capitalizing off the opportunity that was presented to them, cant be blamed.. sorry guys had a shitty day and sadly i cant control my emotions alot of the time
The games are starting to be posted up now. Games 1-4 between mousesports and Team Liquid are going up today. Enjoy!!!
Here is a link to the tournament "landing page." There will be annontations to every match in the tournament on the first spreadsheet for your convience.
I'm not sure if annontations work from the embedded player so you may have to go to my home channel to be able to click it.
The games are starting to be posted up now. Games 1-4 between mousesports and Team Liquid are going up today. Enjoy!!!
Here is a link to the tournament "landing page." There will be annontations to every match in the tournament on the first spreadsheet for your convience.
I'm not sure if annontations work from the embedded player so you may have to go to my home channel to be able to click it.
On January 08 2011 05:06 GP wrote: This tourney must have been organized months ago. July and Junwi haven't been part of Prime for ages. I know Crota mentioned on his stream that he's been trying to set this up for a while, so who knows?
I think they are in Prime the CLAN but not Prime the TEAM. Im almost sure Prime has a clan and a team.
That's interesting, wouldn't that be a conflict of interests with their regular team? I guess if they're still part of the clan, it just seems weird, because though this is a clan war, it's a money tournament obviously aimed at teams. Do any of the other participating teams even have public clans?
I dislike the fact that 4 hellions can roast your probes even when you have a bunch of stalkers defending. You can't expect a protoss to leave more forces close to each expansion, can you? This + banshee let Jinro outmacro his opponent. Still, a very nice and action-packed game.
This is so cool; like the players involved and the amount of money up for grabs is just ridiculous! I am so pumped for this it is going to be crazy good..
nice set up as well - love 2v2s being incorporated in
I would guess it's because TLO is the trickiest player to play against and he can race pick as well, whereas Jinro and Ret are pretty much the exact opposites (which isn't to say they're not better overall).
On January 10 2011 22:54 Talin wrote: I would guess it's because TLO is the trickiest player to play against and he can race pick as well, whereas Jinro and Ret are pretty much the exact opposites (which isn't to say they're not better overall).
TLO being in Europe helps. He won't face too much of a latency issue. Also, almost everyone on Team Liquid could be considered an Ace.
On January 10 2011 22:54 Talin wrote: I would guess it's because TLO is the trickiest player to play against and he can race pick as well, whereas Jinro and Ret are pretty much the exact opposites (which isn't to say they're not better overall).
TLO being in Europe helps. He won't face too much of a latency issue. Also, almost everyone on Team Liquid could be considered an Ace.
you make a good point about latency. I also agree with the poster above you about TLO, what was i thinking????? ofc he is the perfect choice, i would have just thought the "ace" spot would go to your best player, which based on performance is Jinro.
If you look at the other team's Ace players, they are the most successful from their team (unless im being an ass and they aren't lol)
On January 10 2011 22:54 Talin wrote: I would guess it's because TLO is the trickiest player to play against and he can race pick as well, whereas Jinro and Ret are pretty much the exact opposites (which isn't to say they're not better overall).
I actually think that they just divided people the more evenly they could, so TLO ended up getting the ace because he isn't playing any 1v1
On January 10 2011 22:54 Talin wrote: I would guess it's because TLO is the trickiest player to play against and he can race pick as well, whereas Jinro and Ret are pretty much the exact opposites (which isn't to say they're not better overall).
I actually think that they just divided people the more evenly they could, so TLO ended up getting the ace because he isn't playing any 1v1
On January 10 2011 22:54 Talin wrote: I would guess it's because TLO is the trickiest player to play against and he can race pick as well, whereas Jinro and Ret are pretty much the exact opposites (which isn't to say they're not better overall).
TLO being in Europe helps. He won't face too much of a latency issue. Also, almost everyone on Team Liquid could be considered an Ace.
not sure if that applies to haypro but probably to every other player on the team. hope haypro shows some results soon.
Just in case you didn't know. The Tournament Scheduling Page for the Machinima Realm Invitational is located at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLXf8ozgGmA. The youtube video is being constantly updated.
On January 10 2011 22:49 emythrel wrote: not that i don't think TLO is an ace... but was suprised not to see Jinro or Ret as the ace, mainly Jinro tho.
Should be pretty cool to see these matches!
Because you had to commit to the same lineup in all matches (good policy) we chose not to sit out an additional player for 4 team matches in a row. When every player only plays once it doesn't matter who plays ace and who plays before. We like random on metalopolis.
On January 10 2011 22:49 emythrel wrote: not that i don't think TLO is an ace... but was suprised not to see Jinro or Ret as the ace, mainly Jinro tho.
Should be pretty cool to see these matches!
Because you had to commit to the same lineup in all matches (good policy) we chose not to sit out an additional player for 4 team matches in a row. When every player only plays once it doesn't matter who plays ace and who plays before. We like random on metalopolis.
makes sense when put like that. When you say you like random on metal, do you mean TLO is playing random?
Why not put some random time during the week and cast live "from replays"? Say, collect all the reps for one week, then cast them on thursday evening (not on weekend, there are always tournaments)?
It feels hard to get excited over a tournament where matches are played and casted at completely random points in time, at least for me
On January 12 2011 22:42 lazyfeet wrote: If they are not gonna put the game live at least put the youtube link to the op. Its hard for me to find them.
On January 12 2011 22:42 lazyfeet wrote: If they are not gonna put the game live at least put the youtube link to the op. Its hard for me to find them.
Honestly I find going to that video kinda annoying, its a neat idea but I've just been looking up Crota on sc2casts and it makes it abit easier to see rather than buffering a video and waiting for that intro just to see the games list.
Either way all these games are basically much watch imo ;o.
On January 12 2011 22:42 lazyfeet wrote: If they are not gonna put the game live at least put the youtube link to the op. Its hard for me to find them.
Honestly I find going to that video kinda annoying, its a neat idea but I've just been looking up Crota on sc2casts and it makes it abit easier to see rather than buffering a video and waiting for that intro just to see the games list.
Either way all these games are basically much watch imo ;o.
Oh, that's where the "hidden" videos can be found. Good to know.
Why wasn't this at least mentioned in a TL Weekly? I mean it's Team Liquid fighting in this for 2000$ and produces awesome games with top-level players.
Why wasn't this at least mentioned in a TL Weekly? I mean it's Team Liquid fighting in this for 2000$ and produces awesome games with top-level players.
On January 13 2011 02:57 1Eris1 wrote: after how badly prime is doing in the gsl im not suprised they'd try to take part in foreign events
Well I am sure they agreed to this ahead of time and got the teams set up before they announced it, so the GSL wasn't very far in at that point or may have not even started... so I am not sure how that is a factor. If you are referring to GSL 3, they didn't do too bad at all.
In sc2casts there's a game between ret and July, as though July was in Prime. I know he was FantaPrime for some time, but I thought he was Startale now. ???
I overheard a pretty big spoiler about some of the games while listening to huks stream. Although that isn't entirely relevant, it's at least confirmation that we should be expecting some more vods pretty soon involving team liquid players . Liquid fighting!
This tournament has an awesome lineup and I really really like the way the matchups are handled regarding maps.. I am absolutely LOVING that we get to see our north american and european players matched up against a bulk of korean players.
I find it interesting that Liquid picked TT & ZZ as their 2v2 teams. I think TZ is one of the strongest 2v2 compositions, so I'm glad to see ROOT made both of their 2v2 teams TZ
On January 13 2011 16:34 KudosX wrote: I find it interesting that Liquid picked TT & ZZ as their 2v2 teams. I think TZ is one of the strongest 2v2 compositions, so I'm glad to see ROOT made both of their 2v2 teams TZ
Hayder plays Terran in 2v2, and the other two are R/T.
It's a shame this event isn't being broadcast at a specific time, live or from replays. It's a bit hard to get hyped for a tournament where the results for all the different matchups are trickling in one by one.
Why wasn't this at least mentioned in a TL Weekly? I mean it's Team Liquid fighting in this for 2000$ and produces awesome games with top-level players.
On January 13 2011 16:34 KudosX wrote: I find it interesting that Liquid picked TT & ZZ as their 2v2 teams. I think TZ is one of the strongest 2v2 compositions, so I'm glad to see ROOT made both of their 2v2 teams TZ
Hayder plays Terran in 2v2, and the other two are R/T.
Oh! I'm silly thinking that TLO still picks Terran and not Random
Very good choice for teams in 2v2 then!
I really look forward to the 2v2 matches, oddly enough. I think all of the hardcore tournament watchers get to see enough 1v1 that it's nice to have some variety thrown in there
For some reason I find the play-the-youtube-vid-to-click-links-to-other-vods really cumbersome and I fear you guys might be missing out on a lot of viewers making them go through this (even though its very hip and 21st century-ish - plus I might be completely wrong)
I drafted a quick Liquipedia page that has the vods and the format (so far) linked in a pretty straightforward way (it doesn't look like much yet but I'll tidy it up later). Please keep (or help me keep) this up-to-date (you can do it yourself too, it's pretty easy to do) and add this to the OP. Cheers.
On January 13 2011 23:29 Pholon wrote: For some reason I find the play-the-youtube-vid-to-click-links-to-other-vods really cumbersome and I fear you guys might be missing out on a lot of viewers making them go through this (even though its very hip and 21st century-ish - plus I might be completely wrong)
I drafted a quick Liquipedia page that has the vods and the format (so far) linked in a pretty straightforward way (it doesn't look like much yet but I'll tidy it up later). Please keep (or help me keep) this up-to-date (you can do it yourself too, it's pretty easy to do) and add this to the OP. Cheers.
On January 13 2011 23:29 Pholon wrote: For some reason I find the play-the-youtube-vid-to-click-links-to-other-vods really cumbersome and I fear you guys might be missing out on a lot of viewers making them go through this (even though its very hip and 21st century-ish - plus I might be completely wrong)
I drafted a quick Liquipedia page that has the vods and the format (so far) linked in a pretty straightforward way (it doesn't look like much yet but I'll tidy it up later). Please keep (or help me keep) this up-to-date (you can do it yourself too, it's pretty easy to do) and add this to the OP. Cheers.
edit 2: updating now with the vods from post above ^
Thanks you guys, its great to get some help in this. I'm still hoping to get more views on these videos as I would love to host another tournament like this and have it be larger... the views are just not coming in. Any other ideas on how to increase the views on these videos?
Well I can tell you as a regular user that I check this thread almost every time it shows in the left menu, but the lack of written match results, and any schedule in the OP turns me off every time.
I once started to watched the video to see what the deal is, but gave up after 10 seconds.
It's really not that hard, there's a ton of examples on how to make a nice tournament thread, have the OP show results in a nice format, have schedules posted in few timezones, and update it regularly.
If there are VODs, provide links to them in the OP.
On January 13 2011 23:29 Pholon wrote: For some reason I find the play-the-youtube-vid-to-click-links-to-other-vods really cumbersome and I fear you guys might be missing out on a lot of viewers making them go through this (even though its very hip and 21st century-ish - plus I might be completely wrong)
I drafted a quick Liquipedia page that has the vods and the format (so far) linked in a pretty straightforward way (it doesn't look like much yet but I'll tidy it up later). Please keep (or help me keep) this up-to-date (you can do it yourself too, it's pretty easy to do) and add this to the OP. Cheers.
edit 2: updating now with the vods from post above ^
Thanks you guys, its great to get some help in this. I'm still hoping to get more views on these videos as I would love to host another tournament like this and have it be larger... the views are just not coming in. Any other ideas on how to increase the views on these videos?
You might want to try live-casting some of the games (for example, the 2v2s would certainly be an interesting novelty) and put it as event on the calendar. Right now, it just seems very under the radar to most I think.
I'd like to point out that it is a major pain in the ass to just find the results for the different matches... I'm not interested in watching every single matchup but I am interested in the results, and the only way that I've found of finding out is to skip around in the individual games and hope the caster gets around to mentioning what the score is (which is not always the case at all). That or hoping someone mentions the results in this thread.
I guess it'll help your hits on youtube, but damn is it inconvenient. There's just too much stuff to watch, but I really like keeping up with teamleagues.
On January 13 2011 23:29 Pholon wrote: For some reason I find the play-the-youtube-vid-to-click-links-to-other-vods really cumbersome and I fear you guys might be missing out on a lot of viewers making them go through this (even though its very hip and 21st century-ish - plus I might be completely wrong)
I drafted a quick Liquipedia page that has the vods and the format (so far) linked in a pretty straightforward way (it doesn't look like much yet but I'll tidy it up later). Please keep (or help me keep) this up-to-date (you can do it yourself too, it's pretty easy to do) and add this to the OP. Cheers.
edit 2: updating now with the vods from post above ^
Thanks you guys, its great to get some help in this. I'm still hoping to get more views on these videos as I would love to host another tournament like this and have it be larger... the views are just not coming in. Any other ideas on how to increase the views on these videos?
Hi Crota,
The matches don't have to be live, but you need to live stream some replays. Like someone mentioned, you could stream some of the 2v2 replays. People like anticipation. Once anticipation builds up, you get hype, which means more viewers.
So, having some sort of schedule would be great. It'll give the tournament more focus. I think you should make a new thread where you can update it with results and links to the you tube video. RootEdward hasn't been doing anything with the original post.
P.S. Loved it when The Wifey aka Honey dual casted with you.
On January 14 2011 07:26 Bash wrote: I'd like to point out that it is a major pain in the ass to just find the results for the different matches... I'm not interested in watching every single matchup but I am interested in the results, and the only way that I've found of finding out is to skip around in the individual games and hope the caster gets around to mentioning what the score is (which is not always the case at all). That or hoping someone mentions the results in this thread.
I guess it'll help your hits on youtube, but damn is it inconvenient. There's just too much stuff to watch, but I really like keeping up with teamleagues.
I totally agree - As Bo7 series are concluded, I'll be updating annontation on the tournament home page that I currently have setup on my channel so its easy to see what the current standings are.
On January 13 2011 23:29 Pholon wrote: For some reason I find the play-the-youtube-vid-to-click-links-to-other-vods really cumbersome and I fear you guys might be missing out on a lot of viewers making them go through this (even though its very hip and 21st century-ish - plus I might be completely wrong)
I drafted a quick Liquipedia page that has the vods and the format (so far) linked in a pretty straightforward way (it doesn't look like much yet but I'll tidy it up later). Please keep (or help me keep) this up-to-date (you can do it yourself too, it's pretty easy to do) and add this to the OP. Cheers.
edit 2: updating now with the vods from post above ^
Really appreciated this; plus the post above you with the direct links; this had the potential to be a really kick ass tournament with a lot of attention and hype; it's a shame the promo/updates weren't executed properly;
On January 14 2011 07:51 debasers wrote: I also think that you should make each CW at a time, I mean, the way that's being done, you're just throwing matches away.
Trying to line up multiple clan wars at the same time in one tournament across realms was more diffucult then I thought it would be. The tournament is already scheduled to take place over four weeks and that was the longest I could hold my tournament license from Blizzard. I will be casting some of the 2v2s today in a little bit so you can check it out on the livestream. There will be some technical stuff as well as I will be preping the cast for a VoD
Crota plz Update the OP with spoiler-tagged results and links to the VODs, make it clearer that here are Top foreigner Clans Fighting each other including Team Liquid and Korean Clan Prime, I think many users don't take notice of this because they don't even realize what this event is and how awesome it is because they just skip through the topic names and/or OP.
As it is right now you can't really get an idea of what this is all about without reading everything carefully. The thread title "1st Machinima Realm Invitational-EG/TL/ROOT/PRIME" is not standing out in any way and easily overlooked. I'm sure a lot of users only read "1st Machinima Realm something blah" and move on with their eyes because it really sounds like one of those many little tournaments without pro-line up.
Of course this is only a theory of mine, but there might be truth to it.
On January 14 2011 08:28 Leviance wrote: Crota plz Update the OP with spoiler-tagged results and links to the VODs, make it clearer that here are Top foreigner Clans Fighting each other including Team Liquid and Korean Clan Prime, I think many users don't take notice of this because they don't even realize what this event is and how awesome it is because they just skip through the topic names and/or OP.
As it is right now you can't really get an idea of what this is all about without reading everything carefully. The thread title "1st Machinima Realm Invitational-EG/TL/ROOT/PRIME" is not standing out in any way and easily overlooked. I'm sure a lot of users only read "1st Machinima Realm something blah" and move on with their eyes because it really sounds like one of those many little tournaments without pro-line up.
Of course this is only a theory of mine, but there might be truth to it.
Yup, most people (including me) are not bothered to watch a whole youtube video to find out what this is about. So updating the OP at least with links to the vids and with the complete linup (all player names and matches) could help somewhat. Also this thread should be updated everytime a new video comes out and if possible dates for the next video releases should be given. That way one might create at least some hype, as this is somewhat difficult with this youtube format.
On January 14 2011 08:41 iNcontroL wrote: I gotta say... we just played one of the most exciting games I have ever been a part of. EG vs ROOT going to have at least 1 SICK game for y'all.
I hope this is not a spoiler on who won, Mr. enthusiastic EG Member
To get more views include all vods in the op (or include the wiki article and hopefully I or other people will keep that article up to date) so that people can get to the matches + vods in an easy fashion. Like Odo echoed: people don't wanna watch some video to find out (though I like the idea).
On January 14 2011 08:28 Leviance wrote: Crota plz Update the OP with spoiler-tagged results and links to the VODs, make it clearer that here are Top foreigner Clans Fighting each other including Team Liquid and Korean Clan Prime, I think many users don't take notice of this because they don't even realize what this event is and how awesome it is because they just skip through the topic names and/or OP.
As it is right now you can't really get an idea of what this is all about without reading everything carefully. The thread title "1st Machinima Realm Invitational-EG/TL/ROOT/PRIME" is not standing out in any way and easily overlooked. I'm sure a lot of users only read "1st Machinima Realm something blah" and move on with their eyes because it really sounds like one of those many little tournaments without pro-line up.
Of course this is only a theory of mine, but there might be truth to it.
Crota didn't make the thread, so he can't update it. I contacted RootEdwards a couple of days ago through PM, but he hasn't responded. Do you think it might be worthwhile for Crota to make a completely new thread?
On January 14 2011 08:28 Leviance wrote: Crota plz Update the OP with spoiler-tagged results and links to the VODs, make it clearer that here are Top foreigner Clans Fighting each other including Team Liquid and Korean Clan Prime, I think many users don't take notice of this because they don't even realize what this event is and how awesome it is because they just skip through the topic names and/or OP.
As it is right now you can't really get an idea of what this is all about without reading everything carefully. The thread title "1st Machinima Realm Invitational-EG/TL/ROOT/PRIME" is not standing out in any way and easily overlooked. I'm sure a lot of users only read "1st Machinima Realm something blah" and move on with their eyes because it really sounds like one of those many little tournaments without pro-line up.
Of course this is only a theory of mine, but there might be truth to it.
Crota didn't make the thread, so he can't update it. I contacted RootEdwards a couple of days ago through PM, but he hasn't responded. Do you think it might be worthwhile for Crota to make a completely new thread?
Yeah, new OP that creates more hype would be the thing to do to get more viewers. Make sure that you can see names of top players in bold as soon as you open the thread
I should be uploading 3-5 games tonight depending on how many I can encode and upload. Its over 2 Gigs of information to upload so that always takes a while.
It will be interesting to see how Mach. experiment with this will go considering the majority of their following is with FPS. I understand this is realm but alot of fps players do not understand RTS.
does this thing have a dedicated website for it? coz i feel like it should.. At the moment i dont even know the results of most of the matches.. The liquipedia page helps but still, there's no official results page up anywhere that ive searched...
On January 08 2011 05:29 ptbl wrote: Interesting to see each of the team's aces.
Root: QXC
EG: Idra
Team Liquid: TLO
Mouz: Strelok
Prime: Junwi
You have the most interesting "Ace" for TL and Mouz.
Really youtube community getting into supporting e-sports. RELEASE THE GRACKEN!
I'm actually really interested to know why TL has TLO playing the ace match but none of the individual matches. Is it because, since he plays all races, he can pick races based on map and take advantage of the bo3 ace match? Or is it just to give everyone some playing time?
On January 14 2011 22:32 strongandbig wrote: I'm actually really interested to know why TL has TLO playing the ace match but none of the individual matches. Is it because, since he plays all races, he can pick races based on map and take advantage of the bo3 ace match? Or is it just to give everyone some playing time?
On January 11 2011 15:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Because you had to commit to the same lineup in all matches (good policy) we chose not to sit out an additional player for 4 team matches in a row. When every player only plays once it doesn't matter who plays ace and who plays before. We like random on metalopolis.
On January 14 2011 20:54 nufcrulz wrote: does this thing have a dedicated website for it? coz i feel like it should.. At the moment i dont even know the results of most of the matches.. The liquipedia page helps but still, there's no official results page up anywhere that ive searched...
Jinro and TLO paired together in the 2v2, how delightfully overpowered. Fun match to watch, even though it was mostly one-sided. I like the casting fine, as well. Fast-paced, right on the battles, without being frantic.
I've updated the Tournament Schedule page to have all the correct annontations on every game that is currently out. It is the featured video on my channel. There are right now 25 games.
The 2v2s have been the most fun to cast. Game Six is also up between mousesports and Prime. A lot more games are currently scheduled this weekend. Apologies for not having a score board up as the games are often played out of order.
On January 17 2011 01:43 ricerocket wrote: haha, interesting that Jinro's mech lost to carriers in that TvP, that should shut up everybody who doubted MC's tech choice in the GSL
You were watching a different game than I was? EDIT: ok, I was indeed thinking/watching a different game, nvm
On January 18 2011 00:53 cilinder007 wrote: are there public replays somewhere ?
i think they will be released after crota has casted everything because he has exclusive coverage.
Good, because hearing this caster speak is like reading an eassay without any punctuation. He just never seems to shut up for 1 sec and feels like he should repeat everything thats going on on the screen. I'll wait for the reps ^^
This seems like an awesome tourney, but it's a bit underpublicized. Is there a website with official brackets etc? (Crota is doin a good job casting, but are there results somewhere?)
Is it possible if a mod can edit the OP and add these. I thought that almost no matches were played till I found this hidden in this thread.
On January 13 2011 23:07 ptbl wrote: I thought it would be nice to have direct links to the 1st Machinima Realm Tournament games. I'll be updating this post has more games are cast.
Wow, it's really hard to follow this tournament ? Such great teams and nice setup, but almost no proper updates? Result charts? Or am I missing something completely? It would be nice if we could get a good link. Thanks!
On January 19 2011 17:17 Drazzzt wrote: Wow, it's really hard to follow this tournament ? Such great teams and nice setup, but almost no proper updates? Result charts? Or am I missing something completely? It would be nice if we could get a good link. Thanks!
I updated the original post with a link to all the games and results. If you guys think I should make more changes, let me know. Thanks.
On January 19 2011 17:17 Drazzzt wrote: Wow, it's really hard to follow this tournament ? Such great teams and nice setup, but almost no proper updates? Result charts? Or am I missing something completely? It would be nice if we could get a good link. Thanks!
Sorry guys, I've been away for about a week and a half - apologies to Crota and ptbl too for not updating this thread - it will now be updated consistently, gl to all the teams in the rest of the matches!
On January 18 2011 00:53 cilinder007 wrote: are there public replays somewhere ?
i think they will be released after crota has casted everything because he has exclusive coverage.
Good, because hearing this caster speak is like reading an eassay without any punctuation. He just never seems to shut up for 1 sec and feels like he should repeat everything thats going on on the screen. I'll wait for the reps ^^
I'll write with punctuation then at the very least for you. I never realized how much time, energy and effort it goes into making a clan war like this. If I had to redo it, I would make a lot of changes so that everything is much more organized and viewers could follow the results much more easily.
As much fun as this tournament is and the replays have truly been a joy to cast, I don't know if I'll get to host another tournament like this. It really depends on the views on the videos themselves. I'll post in this thread if the replays ever become public as I need to check with Machinima to see how they want to release them if at all.
For those of you guys who are still confused about what is going on, please make sure to visit and check out the Liquipedia for current results as there are a number of great people out there who really stepped up in order to make this tournament easier to follow.
I'll be posting up some more games tonight as well. My computer has been recording, uploading and encoding videos 12 hours a day for the past 2 weeks from this tournament. I hope you guys enjoy it.
nice looking tournament, clan wars are always fun as its not about the individual but rather the team. good caster too, one of the lesser known one's on youtube. I'll pick liquid and prime for the finals
On January 21 2011 09:33 TALegion wrote: This is more of a publicity thing, not really a, "WE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT STARCRAFT!!!" tourney. 2v2's don't mean shit mostly :/
I have to disagree. I care deeply about StarCraft 2 and eSports. I may not be able to keep up to date on every event but I do try to follow it.
In terms of 2v2s, I know 1v1 is where the heart of the eSports scene lies but in terms of popularity, there are generally more multiplayer players then there are 1v1 players and the 2v2 matchups have been interesting. The idea behind the tournament was to pit one clan against another head to head and have it more of a "team feel" and 2v2 was one way to accomplish that.
On January 18 2011 00:53 cilinder007 wrote: are there public replays somewhere ?
i think they will be released after crota has casted everything because he has exclusive coverage.
Good, because hearing this caster speak is like reading an eassay without any punctuation. He just never seems to shut up for 1 sec and feels like he should repeat everything thats going on on the screen. I'll wait for the reps ^^
I'll write with punctuation then at the very least for you. I never realized how much time, energy and effort it goes into making a clan war like this. If I had to redo it, I would make a lot of changes so that everything is much more organized and viewers could follow the results much more easily.
As much fun as this tournament is and the replays have truly been a joy to cast, I don't know if I'll get to host another tournament like this. It really depends on the views on the videos themselves. I'll post in this thread if the replays ever become public as I need to check with Machinima to see how they want to release them if at all.
For those of you guys who are still confused about what is going on, please make sure to visit and check out the Liquipedia for current results as there are a number of great people out there who really stepped up in order to make this tournament easier to follow.
I'll be posting up some more games tonight as well. My computer has been recording, uploading and encoding videos 12 hours a day for the past 2 weeks from this tournament. I hope you guys enjoy it.
Crota
You're doing a good job, but please make the results easier to follow. This is a huge league for the community.
So if I understand the tiebreaker system correctly (from your last video, although for some reason you didn't explain it), it's about the amount of losses? That makes no sense at all tbh. With that format, a team that goes 0-4, 0-4, 4-3 and 4-2 (13 losses) will have a better record than a team that goes 3-4, 3-4, 4-3 and 4-3 (14 losses) even though the overall record of team 1 is 8-13 and that of team 2 14-14. Wins minus losses would be a much fairer way of deciding the tiebreaker.
On January 24 2011 17:21 Orome wrote: So if I understand the tiebreaker system correctly (from your last video, although for some reason you didn't explain it), it's about the amount of losses? That makes no sense at all tbh. With that format, a team that goes 0-4, 0-4, 4-3 and 4-2 (13 losses) will have a better record than a team that goes 3-4, 3-4, 4-3 and 4-3 (14 losses) even though the overall record of team 1 is 8-13 and that of team 2 14-14. Wins minus losses would be a much fairer way of deciding the tiebreaker.
It does make sense. Basically the same system applies in every tournament, results of complete matches count before results of individual sets.
On January 24 2011 17:21 Orome wrote: So if I understand the tiebreaker system correctly (from your last video, although for some reason you didn't explain it), it's about the amount of losses? That makes no sense at all tbh. With that format, a team that goes 0-4, 0-4, 4-3 and 4-2 (13 losses) will have a better record than a team that goes 3-4, 3-4, 4-3 and 4-3 (14 losses) even though the overall record of team 1 is 8-13 and that of team 2 14-14. Wins minus losses would be a much fairer way of deciding the tiebreaker.
It does make sense. Basically the same system applies in every tournament, results of complete matches count before results of individual sets.
Exactly, if you look at the game as completed series it may not make as much sense but with a tournament like this, I need to make sure that games that even if players have incomplete games, that the results are fair.
In the grand scheme of things though, the Tie breakers wont matter as of right now it looks like we will have a 4-0 team and a 3-1 team. I'll be making an announcement video shortly.
Meaning it is already guaranteed that EG + Root is guaranteed first and second place. The game between Prime and and Root will have no outcome on the results, Prime is last, and Root can still take first place with that game.
EG vs Root however will decide a winner of this tournament, So let's hope for some epic Drewbie vs Machine and Idra vs Kiwikaki matches! I'm excited to see who will win this. I really like these clan leagues going on ^^
On January 25 2011 10:16 Dezire wrote: very nice from idra not loosing a match so far! if i looked at that correctly :D
Yeah, especially that aggressive all-ining by PoltPrime lol. IdrA lost like 10 lings early on by leaving them at the Xel'naga tower by mistake and still managed to hold somehow....
On January 31 2011 17:36 Soulish wrote: crota needs to do more analysis and less play by play.
That would be putting a foot in the wrong direction since he's obviously clueless about the game.
What's with the personal attacks against Crota who's a member of TL? Instead of insulting someone, perhaps you can offer constructive criticism.
alright... crota go play 5hours a day till you start saying stuff that makes sense i guess im bitter because this tournament is awesome but no replays so we have to suffer listening to him .. :/
On January 31 2011 17:36 Soulish wrote: crota needs to do more analysis and less play by play.
That would be putting a foot in the wrong direction since he's obviously clueless about the game.
What's with the personal attacks against Crota who's a member of TL? Instead of insulting someone, perhaps you can offer constructive criticism.
alright... crota go play 5hours a day till you start saying stuff that makes sense i guess im bitter because this tournament is awesome but no replays so we have to suffer listening to him .. :/
Crota use to play a lot of SC2 and cast at the same time. However, his wife gave him an ultimatum to choose one. He chose casting, though I'm sure he stills plays sc2, but not as much as before.
If you don't like his casting style, you can always put it on mute .
On February 01 2011 01:47 Welmu wrote: Crota is very good commentator! I really enjoy watching his VODs even more than HDStarcraft's vods. I don't understand crititcsm against his style ._.
Me neither. I love Crota's style, but I guess everyone has their preferences. I always make sure to watch Husky, HD, and Crota's casts.
This tourney was a cool idea since it had teams from different continents playing each other, but I dislike the fact that a bunch of the series were decided by 2v2s. (lots of 4-3s) 2v2s are known to be more gimmicky and aside from Axslav and Strifecro or Drewbie and Cats, none of the other players practice 2v2s.
Meaning it is already guaranteed that EG + Root is guaranteed first and second place. The game between Prime and and Root will have no outcome on the results, Prime is last, and Root can still take first place with that game.
EG vs Root however will decide a winner of this tournament, So let's hope for some epic Drewbie vs Machine and Idra vs Kiwikaki matches! I'm excited to see who will win this. I really like these clan leagues going on ^^
Two teams qualify for a final so EG vs Root does not decide the winner of the tournament. As far as I know we can still qualify if Root loses the next two matches and ends up having a worse overall score.
desrow you are a prick! crota does a good job and if you don't like it, don't watch it! and btw you know he's writing here, so you should manner up and don't be such a spoiled little brat..
EG's just got the perfect lineup for this sort of thing. Two 2v2 teams that are nearly unstoppable and a top 20 player in the world to run their Ace match. They just need 1-2 wins out of their 4 1v1's which doesn't seem to be an issue when Axslav plays such a sick Protoss on Lost Temple, along with the other sets. Glad to see them do so well here.
Meaning it is already guaranteed that EG + Root is guaranteed first and second place. The game between Prime and and Root will have no outcome on the results, Prime is last, and Root can still take first place with that game.
EG vs Root however will decide a winner of this tournament, So let's hope for some epic Drewbie vs Machine and Idra vs Kiwikaki matches! I'm excited to see who will win this. I really like these clan leagues going on ^^
Two teams qualify for a final so EG vs Root does not decide the winner of the tournament. As far as I know we can still qualify if Root loses the next two matches and ends up having a worse overall score.
i have no beef with Crota, i just don't like how he says "and now" every 7 seconds when transitioning to something new he noticed... if he were to fix that i'd for sure enjoy his casts
On February 01 2011 04:25 RyanRushia wrote: i have no beef with Crota, i just don't like how he says "and now" every 7 seconds when transitioning to something new he noticed... if he were to fix that i'd for sure enjoy his casts
Sorry about the "and nows." I'm working on that and the "we do have" " we do see"
I was under the impression that ties would be determined by total games won/lost.. we did have a good shot with that. Did something change in the rules or do I misremember?
Hi Victor,
Total games won lost shows that the 4-1 record that Root had vs TL really tipped things in their favor. With me giving Root a 4-3 win over Prime as a result of the deafult wins, Root just barely edges out over TL with the tie breakers.
The policy for their tiebreakers is not about wins/losses (as I thought) but it's about losses so even if Root loses 1-4 it's the same amount of losses. This information was supplied in advance.
(12 vs our 13, whereas they would have 9 wins and we'd have 12)
@ what nazgul said... from a spectators view this whole tournament has been blindly waiting to see which clan war would be posted next... there was little to no information given out throughout the entire event
I would like to hear both sides of the story but at the moment - going on what Nazgul has said, that sounds pretty strange.. I doubt anything was done maliciously or anything like that but it seems like it came down to severely poor organisation mixed with "rules made on the fly"..
I hope this can be cleared up/remedied in the future without much flaming between teams
On February 01 2011 22:34 RyanRushia wrote: @ what nazgul said... from a spectators view this whole tournament has been blindly waiting to see which clan war would be posted next... there was little to no information given out throughout the entire event
Agreed. If it wasnt for some great posts by "ptbl" i probably wouldn't know what the hell was going on during this tournament.
is there anywhere mentioned what tiebreakers are being used? And I don't quite understand why crota even mentions tiebreakers when he gave Root a freewin, with that freewin Root would be 3-1 and TL 2-2 overall. Or does he just take a look at total games won (which would be 12 for both) and ignores the results of individual clanwars? Tiebreak format would only be interesting if Root didn't get a freewin and lost vs Prime, putting TL and Root both on 2-2.
On February 01 2011 22:50 TaKemE wrote: Even if both Root and TL were 2-2 wouldnt Root still be ahead since they beat TL.
They would be ahead, not because they beat TL but because they have less losses. Which is still a bad way to decide the tiebreaker, but hey, it's Crota's tournament I guess.
I do want to say that I still find it ridiculous not to penalize people for not finishing up. If we copy this policy to the gosucoaching tournament where we are 9-1 we could just win a few more matches and then sit out and not show up for anything else because we'll make top 4 guaranteed. And I guarantee we will be DQ'd for that.
I have tried to keep track of this tournament, thanks to the excellent posts by ptbl I have somewhat managed, but still I am somewhat confused.
With that said, it is quite possible I might be wrong here, if so I apologize, but I thought Prime decided to pull out from the tournament after losing to Mouz, TeamLiquid and EG. Leaving them with no chance to advance. Which means ROOT cant by any means be blamed for their opponent forfeit. Or is there another reason for the talk about penalty/DQ that I have missed?
Sorry to see such a great tournament potential turn into kind of a mess. Hope it doesnt mean the end of MRI though, would really look forward to a follow up. Maybe with some better structure and clearer rules and schedule.
Thanks to everyone involved though, I have been entertained
On February 01 2011 23:16 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I do want to say that I still find it ridiculous not to penalize people for not finishing up. If we copy this policy to the gosucoaching tournament where we are 9-1 we could just win a few more matches and then sit out and not show up for anything else because we'll make top 4 guaranteed. And I guarantee we will be DQ'd for that.
I didn't know how to penalize Root for not playing against Prime because Prime stated that they couldn't play any more games. I know there was some scheduling issues with Root previously but by Prime saying they couldn't play, I don't know how I could punish Root for not playing in games that Prime would choose not to play. I don't like how the finals were decided by a loop hole personally and I will make sure to rewrite my rules if I ever host another tournament.
what crota said makes sense too... hard to punish root for prime not showing up... so i think it's a relative fair decision
we can left to wonder if prime will beat root and liquid will be in... but liquid did lose the previous games so they somewhat have themselves to blame too
either way... all 4 teams are top notch, this is just one of the many tournaments, go sc2!
Axslav, man, that guy just impresses me more and more every time I see him. I'm really starting to wonder if he isn't one of the top foreign protoss players.. great force fields, especially. I also really like how he uses photon canons. For some reason it seems like a lot of toss players underuse the canon...
seems like inviting koreans backfired, maybe because of language difference or maybe because the koreans didn't want to waste time when they saw they had no chance of winning. Doesn't seem very good mannered to ditch a tournament like that though.
Probably a good lesson for others trying to organize tournaments.
Theres goign to be at least 1 2v2 right? Pretty interesting to see after what happened during the gosucoaching league with eg vs root.
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. no one practices 2v2!!! with the exception of drewbie catz strife axslav, that should be fun to watch btw
. gl Liquid!
