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On January 06 2011 21:20 Heimatloser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 21:16 Caphe wrote:On January 06 2011 21:13 mindspike wrote:
lol, I would like to see ANY zerg beat that...wtf Watch Sen's game in previous GSL. Hold a 4 gate off while Tasteless already expect Sen to GG simply dont fast expand with a choke that wide open. its a greedy zerg build and greedy zerg builds get punished (no matter if its 4 warpgate or 2 rax). if leenock would have fought that battle up the ramp everything could have gone different. (also, that is why idra always spreads his creep towards his ramp)
IIRC the Z vs 4gate being recommended was on X'N C also...
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On January 06 2011 21:21 Caphe wrote:
Every Zerg's death in the first 10 min is because of heavy droning. Leenock just got himself to blame here.
If you dont take a slight risk with droning (although he took too much giving the scouting info he had) you will fall behind any expanding toss in econ and army size 
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wish someone could explain why no one will adopt genius into their team. t.t (besides idra like bm personality? [so it seems])
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On January 06 2011 20:44 Cadaver!! wrote:
In a dark bedroom somewhere around the world Uniden double facepalmed seeing that blunk from Anypro.
Just had to quote it (from like 15 pages before) as I'm catching up with LR, noone seemed to notice it.
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On January 06 2011 21:18 usethis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 21:15 Armsved wrote:
Maybe Lenenock was thinking 3 gate expand, but more likely he was thinking blink stalkers. No sentry, double gas and well xel naga caverns. Nope. Leenock was gearing up for Stargate play. Neither Artosis nor Tasteless picked up on that. Stupid them.
This sounds most logical. Rushing hydras like that can only mean he was expecting to need early AA against void rays or something.
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On January 06 2011 21:22 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 21:21 Caphe wrote:
Every Zerg's death in the first 10 min is because of heavy droning. Leenock just got himself to blame here. If you don't drone hard and P does go for sentry-expand, you will usually fall behind and die later on to another timing push or mid/late game deathballs.
...scout it...As soon as you see stalkers, you know they aren't doing that...
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On January 06 2011 21:22 DreamOen wrote:
anyone link to the thunderstruck mix?
omg why would someone want to listen to it if not forced! :D
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On January 06 2011 21:22 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 21:21 Caphe wrote:
Every Zerg's death in the first 10 min is because of heavy droning. Leenock just got himself to blame here. If you don't drone hard and P does go for sentry-expand, you will usually fall behind and die later on to another timing push or mid/late game deathballs.
Read the other comments, this was just explained by two or three different people, and Artosis.
edit; and yea bkrow, i am!~
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On January 06 2011 21:22 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 21:21 Caphe wrote:
Every Zerg's death in the first 10 min is because of heavy droning. Leenock just got himself to blame here. If you don't drone hard and P does go for sentry-expand, you will usually fall behind and die later on to another timing push or mid/late game deathballs.
I might be crazy, but isn't this preferable to instant, guaranteed death?
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Come on Rainbow, show us what you've got!
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On January 06 2011 21:23 Sabu113 wrote:
wish someone could explain why no one will adopt genius into their team. t.t (besides idra like bm personality? [so it seems]) He was a part of ZeNEX, but when NsP made a clan he joined them as they were his old team from BW.
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On January 06 2011 21:20 Chaosvuistje wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 21:17 Telcontar wrote:
Basically, if you don't scout the 4 gate, you're dead. That is unless you somehow felt or guessed it. However, blindly making defenses can put you quite behind economically so it's no wonder zergs are relunctant to do it. You could see him chronoboosting the warp gate research, if you scout that, you can be pretty sure hes going to do some pressure with warpgates. You don't necesairily have to see the 4 gateways to see it might be coming.
Yes but some pressure and 4 gate are different things. Leenock made a spine and quite a few zerglings to make sure he's extra safe. That obviously doesn't cut it against a 4 gate. I'm not saying it is undefendable even if you don't directly scout it but it is so goddarn hard to. Also, concluding 4 gate from 1 chrono boost on cybercore is very very risky and flimsy.
Ok, Leenock probably should've left one ling at genius' front door and as soon as he saw the force move out, could've spammed spines or made a roach warren but it is so hard to take when you lose just because of 1 little mistake.
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On January 06 2011 21:22 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 21:21 Caphe wrote:
Every Zerg's death in the first 10 min is because of heavy droning. Leenock just got himself to blame here. We have to drone heavy to keep up with c-boosted probes.
afaik 4gate boosts probes once
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On January 06 2011 21:23 Sabu113 wrote:
wish someone could explain why no one will adopt genius into their team. t.t (besides idra like bm personality? [so it seems])
he might be refusing teams invites but hasnt gotten the 1 he wants.
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As soon as artosis plays Protoss, the TvP Matchup is broken :D
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On January 06 2011 21:23 Corrupted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 21:22 Lann555 wrote:On January 06 2011 21:21 Caphe wrote:
Every Zerg's death in the first 10 min is because of heavy droning. Leenock just got himself to blame here. If you don't drone hard and P does go for sentry-expand, you will usually fall behind and die later on to another timing push or mid/late game deathballs. I might be crazy, but isn't this preferable to instant, guaranteed death?
Well, it's a gambit. If you prepare for 4-gate and they dont do it you are screwed. If you don't prepare for 4-gate and they do it you are screwed. It's very hard to scout which is coming though which is why Zergs are struggling so much
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On January 06 2011 21:19 rift wrote:
GSL All-ins
So many 4 gate, 2 rax
Why did I stay up.
I am quite worried
Starcraft 2's evolution
where is the macro?
as long as people lose to these builds, they'll exist. People must start to defend those with a very high suces for the game to evolve.
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Artosis switches to protoss
"Terran seem to win too much on shakuras vs protoss...."
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"me all in, he drone drone drone, me win"
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EPT
