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On January 04 2011 21:31 Durp wrote:
The casting was fine. That was not entirely the observers fault, choosing to watch one battle where there were more units.
A simple "while an attack goes on at the middle expansion" would've taken all the complaints away. Frankly, things like "THE OTHER BASE. THE OTHER BASE." are leaving the obs out to dry.
Yep the observer was acctualy really good this game but then Tastosis started to interrupt his flow for no reason. He wanted to watch the big battle in the middle while both were shouting about a drop that never happened. The only reason the obs watched the phase prism was because Tastosis requested it.
Heavy macro game. I was suprised toss wouldnt use storm drops or lategame colossus. For the guys who watched MCs stream, when he would rush to storm he always makes sure to include colossus as soon as he has the amulet.
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On January 04 2011 21:31 Treadmill wrote:
Here's a question: what if TheWinD beats BoxeR (not inconceivable)? Then everyone in the group is at 1-1. What on earth happens? Do we start all over again?
No, we'd go to games 5 & 6. Whoever ends up 2-1 will be tie-broke by their head-to-head score. (Same with 1-2)
The system isn't unbiased round-robin. There's actually a weird bit where winning Game 2 is actually the important part.
Hyperdub assured he's in Ro16 or he has to play another game to get knocked out. I like a lot of it, but there's still some funkiness that needs to be gamed out a bit.
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On January 04 2011 21:33 ThorIsHere wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 21:32 Aelfric wrote:On January 04 2011 21:30 ThorIsHere wrote:
Nerf EMP plz .... Hongun clearly sucked a bit in ht micro. You should know when terran is coming with ghosts and you should position well. Emp is fine. EMP is retarded. It can literally do thousands of shield damage and drains all energy. So dumb. EMP = autowin vs. toss
I'm arround 2600 points protoss player right now which is kinda mid-high diamond and i can clearly say there is no way for terran to win against 3-4 base protoss without ghosts and well executed emp's in equall skill level if protoss gone for amulet ht's. It just doesn't happen, trust me.
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On January 04 2011 21:35 ThorIsHere wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 21:35 Treadmill wrote:On January 04 2011 21:33 ThorIsHere wrote:On January 04 2011 21:32 Aelfric wrote:On January 04 2011 21:30 ThorIsHere wrote:
Nerf EMP plz .... Hongun clearly sucked a bit in ht micro. You should know when terran is coming with ghosts and you should position well. Emp is fine. EMP is retarded. It can literally do thousands of shield damage and drains all energy. So dumb. EMP = autowin vs. toss QQ much? EMP is powerful. Storm is powerful. Colossi and Tanks and everything else is powerful. It's part of what makes Starcraft exciting. Not really. One spell shouldn't pwn an entire race the way EMP does.
So why isn't TvP auto win then? Because EMP isn't bullshit. Plenty T's have lost going EMP. Poor play doesn't make something imbalanced..
Good EMPs destroy templar.. so go collossus and they wont get close.
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Anyone get a screenshot of BoxeR's kb/mouse?
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On January 04 2011 21:36 Breach_hu wrote:
boxer tvz --> proxy rax --> lose
Noooooo! Don't do eeeet!!!
But seriously...?? If he can macro TvT, I don't see why his TvZ must be like this...
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BoxeR expanding ^^ no cheesy scv allin !
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On January 04 2011 21:35 Dfgj wrote:
It's so amazing to see a T that really uses Ghosts well. Storm is a lot less imba when T is on the ball with his EMPs, and the snipes were pretty interesting to see too.
Great play by Hyperdub, still not convinced by the fast upgrade style... having more ht instead might have saved him there.
Fast upgrades only work if you add in enough sentries - because pure chargelots are actually 100% useless vs marauders, regardless of what some lesser players around here continue to claim, they get kited into infinity.
Spread out sentries are a must, even after amulet-HTs are out. 2-3 key forcefields can make +3 zealots hit and then we would have had a completely different game.
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On January 04 2011 21:35 ThorIsHere wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 21:35 Treadmill wrote:On January 04 2011 21:33 ThorIsHere wrote:On January 04 2011 21:32 Aelfric wrote:On January 04 2011 21:30 ThorIsHere wrote:
Nerf EMP plz .... Hongun clearly sucked a bit in ht micro. You should know when terran is coming with ghosts and you should position well. Emp is fine. EMP is retarded. It can literally do thousands of shield damage and drains all energy. So dumb. EMP = autowin vs. toss QQ much? EMP is powerful. Storm is powerful. Colossi and Tanks and everything else is powerful. It's part of what makes Starcraft exciting. Not really. One spell shouldn't pwn an entire race the way EMP does.
storm kills, EMP doesnt. HT cheaper than ghosts. spread your sentry and HTs to avoid getting hit. QQ?
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On January 04 2011 21:38 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 21:35 ThorIsHere wrote:On January 04 2011 21:35 Treadmill wrote:On January 04 2011 21:33 ThorIsHere wrote:On January 04 2011 21:32 Aelfric wrote:On January 04 2011 21:30 ThorIsHere wrote:
Nerf EMP plz .... Hongun clearly sucked a bit in ht micro. You should know when terran is coming with ghosts and you should position well. Emp is fine. EMP is retarded. It can literally do thousands of shield damage and drains all energy. So dumb. EMP = autowin vs. toss QQ much? EMP is powerful. Storm is powerful. Colossi and Tanks and everything else is powerful. It's part of what makes Starcraft exciting. Not really. One spell shouldn't pwn an entire race the way EMP does. So why isn't TvP auto win then? Because EMP isn't bullshit. Plenty T's have lost going EMP. Poor play doesn't make something imbalanced.. Good EMPs destroy templar.. so go collossus and they wont get close.
I don't think nearly enough terrans make enough ghosts let alone know how to use them properly. As the metagame shifts (and I think Hyperdub/Hongun's game will have a lot to do with it), I think you're going to see ghosts become a staple of terran armies vs. protoss, and TvP will move into terran's favor at the highest levels.
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Wow, this GSL season games have been plain awesome. I hope this trend continues!
I do wonder if the "only play once versus a player" reduces all-ins planned to kill that specific player or what is behind this, because I remember seeing a high amount of cheese and all-ins in GSL 2 Ro64 and beyond.
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Banelings morphing in for the wind.. siege mode just finishing for boxer.. thewind taking his 3rd
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no stimpack coming yet, getting siege?
what
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On January 04 2011 21:39 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 21:35 Dfgj wrote:
It's so amazing to see a T that really uses Ghosts well. Storm is a lot less imba when T is on the ball with his EMPs, and the snipes were pretty interesting to see too.
Great play by Hyperdub, still not convinced by the fast upgrade style... having more ht instead might have saved him there. Fast upgrades only work if you add in enough sentries - because pure chargelots are actually 100% useless vs marauders, regardless of what some lesser players around here continue to claim, they get kited into infinity. Spread out sentries are a must, even after amulet-HTs are out. 2-3 key forcefields can make +3 zealots hit and then we would have had a completely different game.
The problem imo is you end up with a huge period you're relying on sentries + a small number of HTs, or no storm at all, and this can be gutted by a ghost/bio push. A few good EMPs and upgrades won't really save you - and making more sentries slows your tech even more because of how gasheavy it all is.
Comes down to positioning as well of course, Hongun didn't have his ht spread that well.
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On January 04 2011 21:39 mustache wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 21:35 ThorIsHere wrote:On January 04 2011 21:35 Treadmill wrote:On January 04 2011 21:33 ThorIsHere wrote:On January 04 2011 21:32 Aelfric wrote:On January 04 2011 21:30 ThorIsHere wrote:
Nerf EMP plz .... Hongun clearly sucked a bit in ht micro. You should know when terran is coming with ghosts and you should position well. Emp is fine. EMP is retarded. It can literally do thousands of shield damage and drains all energy. So dumb. EMP = autowin vs. toss QQ much? EMP is powerful. Storm is powerful. Colossi and Tanks and everything else is powerful. It's part of what makes Starcraft exciting. Not really. One spell shouldn't pwn an entire race the way EMP does. storm kills, EMP doesnt. HT cheaper than ghosts. spread your sentry and HTs to avoid getting hit. QQ?
Storm takes a ton of time and money to get to, ghosts don't. Ghosts can cloak and have a regular attack and a spell-attack.
QQ? scrub
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On January 04 2011 21:41 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
no stimpack coming yet, getting siege?
what
Stim was halfway done i think
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On January 04 2011 21:39 mustache wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 21:35 ThorIsHere wrote:On January 04 2011 21:35 Treadmill wrote:On January 04 2011 21:33 ThorIsHere wrote:On January 04 2011 21:32 Aelfric wrote:On January 04 2011 21:30 ThorIsHere wrote:
Nerf EMP plz .... Hongun clearly sucked a bit in ht micro. You should know when terran is coming with ghosts and you should position well. Emp is fine. EMP is retarded. It can literally do thousands of shield damage and drains all energy. So dumb. EMP = autowin vs. toss QQ much? EMP is powerful. Storm is powerful. Colossi and Tanks and everything else is powerful. It's part of what makes Starcraft exciting. Not really. One spell shouldn't pwn an entire race the way EMP does. storm kills, EMP doesnt. HT cheaper than ghosts. spread your sentry and HTs to avoid getting hit. QQ?
just ignore such shitty posts or report em.
really like that boxer has a nice standart follow up for his proxy raxes. the emperor doesnt want to be like rain or itsybitsybittyprime ~~
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Oh man, the stream is terrible for me right now 
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TheWinD has nice creep spread.
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