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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 10 2011 01:29 GMT
#1561
On January 10 2011 10:27 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 10:25 Telcontar wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:24 ptbl wrote:
Is the tournament offline

Nope it's online.


Then, I wonder why Team Liquid people weren't invited to the tournament. It would of been nice them play. TLO and haypro were great yesterday in the pokeridol tour.

Well since this tournament started yesterday i guess TLO and haypro wouldn't have been able to participate in both. Not sure about tyler.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 10 2011 01:30 GMT
#1562
On January 10 2011 10:20 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 10:16 timmyfred wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:13 monXikk wrote:
heh another 1base play, Mini show some skill please.
I know there is money on your sigh but still...


I'm pretty sure the aim of the game is to win, not to show "skill".

Playing to win always returns higher dividends than playing to impress.


I think the point he was trying to make was the fact that after losing in relatively "macro" games towards Machine, Minigun just gave up trying to be better at the "macro" portion and just went for a semi-all in strat. Meaning minigun risked alot on luck, and hope that his opponet wouldn't react "correctly" to the build, and if they did, he would 75% lose.

Of course it was Machine's fault: He should've seen that coming. For example, during the third game, he had made 4 drones after seeing blink. When you get blink that fast, and already have hydra den, then make hydras. I don't know why he made drones, those 4 hydras could've saved him. That was also a problem in the last game, he made drones just as minigun was pushing out.

While I disagree with the methods that Minigun used(myself being a more macro player), and may consider them "cheap", it was Machine's fault that led him to lose.

Machine's opening is SUPER weak for the early stalker -> follow-up, be it blink stalkers or 4gate. He was just abusing the fact. It's machine's fault he didn't change his build in the 2 games he had to adapt.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 01:33:15
January 10 2011 01:31 GMT
#1563
On January 10 2011 10:24 timmyfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 10:20 Pandain wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:16 timmyfred wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:13 monXikk wrote:
heh another 1base play, Mini show some skill please.
I know there is money on your sigh but still...


I'm pretty sure the aim of the game is to win, not to show "skill".

Playing to win always returns higher dividends than playing to impress.


I think the point he was trying to make was the fact that after losing in relatively "macro" games towards Machine, Minigun just gave up trying to be better at the "macro" portion and just went for a semi-all in strat.

Of course it was Machine's fault: He should've seen that coming. For example, during the third game, he had made 4 drones after seeing blink. When you get blink that fast, and already have hydra den, then make hydras. I don't know why he made drones, those 4 hydras could've saved him. That was also a problem in the last game, he made drones just as minigun was pushing out.

While I disagree with the methods that Minigun used(myself being a more macro player), and may consider them "cheap", it was Machine's fault that led him to lose.


Of course that was his point, but it was a stupid point. Winning in a method other than a macro game doesn't imply a lack of skill. It implies that he won the game. As I said in my previous point, why on earth would Minigun try to play a macro game after losing two? A win is a win is a win, whether it comes in 4 minutes or in 40. There is no such thing a cheap strategy - only effective and ineffective strategies.

In the last three games, Minigun employed an effective one and Machine did not. End of line.


There is a difference between winning the game, and being the better player. An apt example is NesTea vs. TSL_Rain. In a Bo50, who would win? Nes Tea for sure, has by far the superior mechanics and decision making. However, through several controversial all-ins, Rain beat Nes_Tea 4-3 in a bo7.

You can say that people should play to win, and that is true, especially when money is involved. But that doesn't entail that that player should've won. I mean, if you win based on luck, do you really deserve the win?

The point is debatable and has been debated countless times before. Feel free to respond, my only wish is that you see that the issue isn't just black and white, and there are many differing sides to this issue.

On January 10 2011 10:30 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 10:20 Pandain wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:16 timmyfred wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:13 monXikk wrote:
heh another 1base play, Mini show some skill please.
I know there is money on your sigh but still...


I'm pretty sure the aim of the game is to win, not to show "skill".

Playing to win always returns higher dividends than playing to impress.


I think the point he was trying to make was the fact that after losing in relatively "macro" games towards Machine, Minigun just gave up trying to be better at the "macro" portion and just went for a semi-all in strat. Meaning minigun risked alot on luck, and hope that his opponet wouldn't react "correctly" to the build, and if they did, he would 75% lose.

Of course it was Machine's fault: He should've seen that coming. For example, during the third game, he had made 4 drones after seeing blink. When you get blink that fast, and already have hydra den, then make hydras. I don't know why he made drones, those 4 hydras could've saved him. That was also a problem in the last game, he made drones just as minigun was pushing out.

While I disagree with the methods that Minigun used(myself being a more macro player), and may consider them "cheap", it was Machine's fault that led him to lose.

Machine's opening is SUPER weak for the early stalker -> follow-up, be it blink stalkers or 4gate. He was just abusing the fact. It's machine's fault he didn't change his build in the 2 games he had to adapt.

+ Show Spoiler +
I fully agree, which is why I said
While I disagree with the methods that Minigun used(myself being a more macro player), and may consider them "cheap", it was Machine's fault that led him to lose.

:p
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
January 10 2011 01:31 GMT
#1564
disconnect -> get cross positions -> mission accomplished
laggikoN
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden213 Posts
January 10 2011 01:32 GMT
#1565
On January 10 2011 10:31 Fa1nT wrote:
disconnect -> get cross positions -> mission accomplished


Yes, and also the us government killed JFK and organized the 9/11 attack...
{ToT}REME
Profile Joined January 2011
United States30 Posts
January 10 2011 01:32 GMT
#1566
On January 10 2011 10:31 Fa1nT wrote:
disconnect -> get cross positions -> mission accomplished

As much as I hate to say this.. you definitely read my mind.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 10 2011 01:33 GMT
#1567
On January 10 2011 10:31 Fa1nT wrote:
disconnect -> get cross positions -> mission accomplished
lol
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
FrostShadow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States335 Posts
January 10 2011 01:34 GMT
#1568
On January 10 2011 10:32 laggikoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 10:31 Fa1nT wrote:
disconnect -> get cross positions -> mission accomplished


Yes, and also the us government killed JFK and organized the 9/11 attack...


dont forget when morrow faked the moon landing
laggikoN
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 01:35:48
January 10 2011 01:35 GMT
#1569
On January 10 2011 10:34 FrostShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 10:32 laggikoN wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:31 Fa1nT wrote:
disconnect -> get cross positions -> mission accomplished


Yes, and also the us government killed JFK and organized the 9/11 attack...


dont forget when morrow faked the moon landing


Oh yeah i totally forgot about that, too bad he messed up the shadows and the waving flag, was so close tho... MorroW is actually Frank Abagnale irl, he's just wearing a mask.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
January 10 2011 01:35 GMT
#1570
Not blaming morrow, I know his internet and location sucks, just saying.

Earlier there was a Lost Temple match where it went from cross position to close position on the re-game, which woul obviously have different results.

I just wonder why tourneys don't just keep re-doing until they get the original positions.
ShallNoiseUpon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States311 Posts
January 10 2011 01:37 GMT
#1571
That is a convenient DC.
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 01:53:29
January 10 2011 01:38 GMT
#1572
Duckloadra: "Stay with us "

Edit:

"O no "
FrostShadow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States335 Posts
January 10 2011 01:38 GMT
#1573
On January 10 2011 10:35 laggikoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 10:34 FrostShadow wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:32 laggikoN wrote:
On January 10 2011 10:31 Fa1nT wrote:
disconnect -> get cross positions -> mission accomplished


Yes, and also the us government killed JFK and organized the 9/11 attack...


dont forget when morrow faked the moon landing


Oh yeah i totally forgot about that, too bad he messed up the shadows and the waving flag, was so close tho... MorroW is actually Frank Abagnale irl, he's just wearing a mask.


morrows internet would be better if he stopped playing from roswell, new mexico
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 01:38:59
January 10 2011 01:38 GMT
#1574
Argh goddamn you internet, why must you toy with us so.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 10 2011 01:38 GMT
#1575
On January 10 2011 10:38 SiguR wrote:
Duckloadra: "Stay with us "
So cute :3
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 10 2011 01:38 GMT
#1576
Why don't the two of them just play on EU and day9 & wheat just cast off replays? I know reddit organised this whole thing but that might be the only way to get this finals going.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
January 10 2011 01:39 GMT
#1577
They need to go to the EU server. It would be the best.
laggikoN
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden213 Posts
January 10 2011 01:39 GMT
#1578
Or they could go cast on EU accounts
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 10 2011 01:39 GMT
#1579
Wow, this is really lame. =( I really hope the games will be able to be played.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ShallNoiseUpon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States311 Posts
January 10 2011 01:39 GMT
#1580
I wonder if it would be possible for Blizzard to make something like a "Load replay state" where you could play a replay from a timestamp.
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