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On December 25 2010 02:20 Huckleuro wrote:
MarineKing
2 seperate accounts on over 73% win percentage. (i think)
2nd GSL 2
2nd GOM TV All-Stars
5th- 8th GSL 3 (lost to overall champ)
How many tournaments are played where Protoss' have been beating Terrans > 50% recently? Yep, lots.
Had MarineKing not gone first, you would have seen Terrans lose.
Quit the tears. The only out of balance race at the moment is zerg.
Exactly what I was saying. Quit whining people, the game is more balanced than you think ... still a long way to go though.
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On December 25 2010 02:25 silaser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2010 02:20 Huckleuro wrote:
MarineKing
2 seperate accounts on over 73% win percentage. (i think)
2nd GSL 2
2nd GOM TV All-Stars
5th- 8th GSL 3 (lost to overall champ)
How many tournaments are played where Protoss' have been beating Terrans > 50% recently? Yep, lots.
Had MarineKing not gone first, you would have seen Terrans lose.
Quit the tears. The only out of balance race at the moment is zerg. Exactly what I was saying. Quit whining people, the game is more balanced than you think ... still a long way to go though.
I agree.
I think the better player wins his or her games most of the time at this point. I think MarineKing is better than people give him credit for. His style is difficult to beat and the best way to practice it is to play against MarineKing himself. I don't think there's a balance issue at all.
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terran all-kills the non-terran races... HMMMMMM...
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wow... after watching first 8 VODs.... one thing for sure, do not gateway rush marine king. he will just micro con. his marines and beat you with just marines.
seriously why would u go into micro con. battle against some one who is a micro con. master?
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Just finished watching all the games. TvP sure is a snooze fest. MvP's all kill was ten times more fun to watch than MKP's all kill.
Zerg getting shit on by all the races is kind of sad though.
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On December 24 2010 22:27 traca wrote:
mc proved in bw he is a much much better player than the lot playing sc2 atm thats why he won gsl3
where as others toss and terran were pretty much at the same level
i dno just saying
 MVP
 IrOn (he was known for being a choker with potential, but saying proved is lolworthy)
On December 24 2010 23:10 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2010 22:58 sadyque wrote:On December 24 2010 22:46 FataLe wrote:On December 24 2010 22:45 sadyque wrote:On December 24 2010 22:40 FataLe wrote:On December 24 2010 22:38 mango_destroyer wrote:On December 24 2010 22:27 FataLe wrote:On December 24 2010 22:24 MrCon wrote:On December 24 2010 22:22 FataLe wrote:On December 24 2010 22:18 MrCon wrote:
[quote]4 zealots yes, but 10+ zealots (+-1 minute of production with some chronos) can reach the marines before dying, allow the stalkers to deal damage (a thing they couldnt do alone, because they insta melted)
But I'm not sure, just I think it would have been better to delay the push while making zealots only.
If you're going to invest that much into gateway units once he hits siege mode it's almost GG. He can expand 5 times if he likes, your not moving. so the solution is NOt to make any more units. I'm confused :o The solution is to go a tech heavy opening, however that leaves you completely open to FoxeR's normal style of play (rushing). That mixed with the wide ramp forces HongUn to go gateway heavy which plays right into Marine + Tank. OHHH how Terran is perfect Balance. Why are you complaining? This isn`t really a serious event. So when oGsMC rolls over every terran AND marineking in GSL (a big tournament) should terrans cry ohhhh the IMBA! WHAT CAN WE DO?! The terrans (MVP and MKP) outplayed their opponents, simple as that. Not every player is equal in skill. And hongun picked that map, so it wasn`t an issue for him. Because 1 guy defies the norm that means the matchup is balanced? Your right not every player is equal in skill, and it seems to me not every race is equal either. You can say that the other way around too...If MKP defies the norm that means the matchup is balanced? He did the same thing 5 Bo3's in a row, no TOP Zerg had an answer to it. On the flipside MC had variety in his play and left a lot up to chance when not going robo. See how there's a slight difference? Tell me none of you ever won 10-15 straight games with your race? Not against the worlds elite in a dominating fashion.
they are also a part of that same elite so...
On December 25 2010 02:25 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2010 02:20 Huckleuro wrote:
MarineKing
2 seperate accounts on over 73% win percentage. (i think)
2nd GSL 2
2nd GOM TV All-Stars
5th- 8th GSL 3 (lost to overall champ)
How many tournaments are played where Protoss' have been beating Terrans > 50% recently? Yep, lots.
Had MarineKing not gone first, you would have seen Terrans lose.
Quit the tears. The only out of balance race at the moment is zerg. Hmmm... not so sure about that toss>terrans in tournaments statements, not talking about balance but I'm pretty sure almost every european major tournament has 4 times as many terrans than other races and finals are almost always TvT. NA scene is different though, protoss do rather nicely in NA tourneys.
gsl3 PvT: 30-18 (mu is 81-93 overall in korea since the start)
onedaycups seem to be mostly terran'ed up though.
mlg's, dreamhack and other biggies i could find ended up being ~55% pvt
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Anyone else having trouble watching these?
I can only watch up to #10 and anything after that won't work. GOM doesn't even begin to load #11-end. I'm having this problem for all the tvz, pvz, etc.
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On December 24 2010 23:11 wintergt wrote:
I guess terran will always be the scapegoat of the SC2 community.
If fruidealer had done a 5-0, people would say "FD is amazing!"
If Tester had done the all-kill, everyone would be "Tester is GOD."
Now MVP and MKP do an all-kill, and "terran is imba"..
I think that all 4 of those players are amazing! This tournament gave some really fun moments and good games, even if terran did sweep their series.
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People just need to appreciate the awesome performances by MKP and MVP a couple days ago. They are really good and I don`t know why people suddenly turning against MKP and mislabeling his play. How bipolar can you be? Hell if these games make you rage so much, don`t watch.
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terran d. zerg (5-0)
protoss d. zerg (5-4)
terrdan d. protoss (5-0)
Oh yeah that's the epitome of balance.
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Gisado used to release replay packs when he wasn't working for gom iirc. Does anyone know if he'll do it again this time?
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I don't know what i find worse, the praising of MK or the rants about balance. 99% of MK's wins are one base timing pushes which i don't find impressive at all, and yes his micro is good but it's awfully boring to watch in the long run which is why you'll find a lot of MK haters.
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ugk looking at VOD #11, 4 gateway vs terran's proxy barrack to follow up.
protoss woulda had better chance if citadel wasn't too expensive.
terran gets concussive shell / steam pack too easily compare to blink / charge.
it is tier 1.5 vs tier 1
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and then its tier 2 vs tier 1.5 qq get an immortal :p
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On December 25 2010 03:44 Lunchtime wrote:
terran d. zerg (5-0)
protoss d. zerg (5-4)
terrdan d. protoss (5-0)
Oh yeah that's the epitome of balance.
maybe 10 players in the whole wide world have a micro on the same lvl as marineking, and with lesser micro, the effectiveness of said terran early game aggression goes down drastically.
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On December 25 2010 04:04 pezit wrote:
I don't know what i find worse, the praising of MK or the rants about balance. 99% of MK's wins are one base timing pushes which i don't find impressive at all, and yes his micro is good but it's awfully boring to watch in the long run which is why you'll find a lot of MK haters.
99% are one base timing pushes? You clearly making things up. Watch the games before you make baseless comments like these.
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On December 25 2010 03:44 Lunchtime wrote:
terran d. zerg (5-0)
protoss d. zerg (5-4)
terrdan d. protoss (5-0)
Oh yeah that's the epitome of balance.
Had MarineKing and MVP not played first I am pretty sure the results would be much different. Could anyone really see Clide or Rain or Rainbow all-kill? I don`t.
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Man, I think the fact that MC doesn't lose to Terran--ever--is a "shield" against PvT Protoss whining, right?
Anyhow, it's nice to MarineKing do well in the non vZ MU. He has probably been shoring up his TvP since the GSL a bunch.
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I don`t post, like ever, but just going to say this is the one of the worst LR threads I have ever read.
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Man, these forums degraded so much since the time of Beta. I can't even imagine how it's like for people who were here much longer than that, their eyes are probably bleeding reading this pile of junk.
It's 5 games, and even from one player, you can't judge whether the game is balanced or not based on them.If MC was in, he would probably all killed Terrans. It's ridiculous to say PvZ is balanced because the games went into decisive 9th game and similar bullshit.
These forums are really becoming not worth reading. Recently I've spent more tiem reading BW sections than SC2, even though I don't have that much interest in BW
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On December 25 2010 04:38 Klonere wrote:
I don`t post, like ever, but just going to say this is the one of the worst LR threads I have ever read.
Amen, brother. But really, the worst thread so far. All I saw watching those games was MKP being on fire and Protoss players making some crucial mistakes and stubbornly going mass gate units. And when I remember that just recently MC steamrolled MKP, then I don't see how anyone can say that the game is imbalanced.
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