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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On December 25 2010 06:50 Contagious wrote: Why is everyone so quick to crying about balance issues? Was this tournament even worth anything other than bragging rights? Just quit bitching about balance all the time guys and play the damn game! Also, jesus.. Foxer is beast. MVP too :D these two guys, young, talented, just like MC... these 3 guys will be the future of scII On December 25 2010 04:25 mango_destroyer wrote: Had MarineKing and MVP not played first I am pretty sure the results would be much different. Could anyone really see Clide or Rain or Rainbow all-kill? I don`t. So true. Its the players not the game. oGsMC could probably have done the same to Terran or Zerg... Terran has two players of this caliber. | ||
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Elvin
149 Posts
The game will not stay at it's current setup and a few games means nothing. | ||
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Speake
United States494 Posts
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ch0c0b0fr34k
United States452 Posts
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
None of the P/Z's played that well vs Terran. You can tell Foxer was just a better player than the P's throughout the series. He had better control, macro, decision-making, strategies, etc. Most of Foxer's strategies are either A. aggressive pressure or B. fast expand. He fully commits to these strategies, unlike the Protoss who can't decide whether they want to attack or expand. It's the commitment that makes the strategies strong, like MCs games. MVP was a Terran in BW so he had tons of experience with tanks and positioning and he used that to his advantage, easily crushing most of the Z's. Most of the Zergs just 1a'ed their army into his tank lines too, not much flanking or anything impressive. With the HQ vids, you can tell most pros group their armies into 1-2 control groups max. That's why when they 1a their armies into tanks, they all get blown up. Terrans like MVP/Foxer have learned to split their marines, Zergs likewise need to learn to split up their army and attack from multiple angles. Or how about T's using marauders/Thor to shield the marines? Z can send in a few single lings or roach to draw the first tank shots. It's clear T's have evolved greatly while Zergs are still doing the same old things and complaining about imba. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On December 25 2010 08:41 ch0c0b0fr34k wrote: I think I could venture and say that terran early game prowess is slighty OP compared to the other races. People argue that this is because they fall off late game, but we can all see from Jinro and European macro terran play that this is not the case. So why are Terran so good early game? There's really no reason. Because Blizzard has to sell the copies of SC2 and not every casuals/non-pros want 30 mins+, 3+ base games. They just want to make stuff and send them out to see what happens. Usually no expos. (Really one of reasons why the Zerg isn't played by as many people) Terrans being the introductory race, most people start with it and Blizzard has to cater those people. They don't want to sit in their base for 20 mins worrying about larvae counts. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
I'm sad no MCvT though. | ||
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Mr. Nefarious
United States515 Posts
On December 25 2010 08:53 usethis2 wrote: Because Blizzard has to sell the copies of SC2 and not every casuals/non-pros want 30 mins+, 3+ base games. They just want to make stuff and send them out to see what happens. Usually no expos. (Really one of reasons why the Zerg isn't played by as many people) Terrans being the introductory race, most people start with it and Blizzard has to cater those people. They don't want to sit in their base for 20 mins worrying about larvae counts. So by your definition its fine to ruin yet another amazing and complex game to appeal to casual gamers who won't even be playing the game past two months? Your logic is infallible sir. Go play Call of Duty. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On December 24 2010 22:27 traca wrote: mc proved in bw he is a much much better player than the lot playing sc2 atm thats why he won gsl3 where as others toss and terran were pretty much at the same level i dno just saying You realize that MarineKing was in MBCGame together with MC right? And that MVP is the best BW player to have transitioned to playing SC2? I think the only thing we can conclude is that active pro BW players that switched over to SC2 are in fact the best players around right now. | ||
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Essentia
1150 Posts
On December 25 2010 08:53 usethis2 wrote: Because Blizzard has to sell the copies of SC2 and not every casuals/non-pros want 30 mins+, 3+ base games. They just want to make stuff and send them out to see what happens. Usually no expos. (Really one of reasons why the Zerg isn't played by as many people) Terrans being the introductory race, most people start with it and Blizzard has to cater those people. They don't want to sit in their base for 20 mins worrying about larvae counts. i remember one of the blizz representatives even states he stays away from playing zerg cause its a harder race and he doesnt like the macro mechanics (cause they are too hard) | ||
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Vorlik
1522 Posts
On December 25 2010 09:47 Saechiis wrote: You realize that MarineKing was in MBCGame together with MC right? And that MVP is the best BW player to have transitioned to playing SC2? I think the only thing we can conclude is that active pro BW players that switched over to SC2 are in fact the best players around right now. Agreed except on that part about mvp being the best bw transitioning to sc2, that's a big no no. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On December 25 2010 10:39 Vorlik wrote: Agreed except on that part about mvp being the best bw transitioning to sc2, that's a big no no. So you're one of those people that think Nada and Boxer were the best? They were good for their time, but would have gotten roflstomped by MVP in BW. If you count  GuemChi as a player, then he would be the best player to transition so far, but I doubt he's playing SC2 seriously. | ||
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iNversion
United States107 Posts
On December 25 2010 10:39 Vorlik wrote: Agreed except on that part about mvp being the best bw transitioning to sc2, that's a big no no. he said best active bw pro, and he's probably right. while nada, july, and boxer have accomplished way more in the prime of their bw careers, mvp was a a-teamer on stars and iirc has taken games off big names such as kal, stork, jangbi, etc. in 2010. while he's always been quite medicore overall, i think mvp makes a very strong case for best active bw pro that is playing sc2 right now. | ||
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Mintastic
United States166 Posts
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koppik
United States676 Posts
The roster was probably decided based on people willing to play. Since there are no oGs on the roster, it was probably a decision for them not to participate (even though oGs used to play on Gisado a lot). Anyhow, there are a number of "probably"s in there. | ||
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piskooooo
United States351 Posts
It was the second game so I doubt it was just Idra's SC1 history. | ||
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ch0c0b0fr34k
United States452 Posts
On December 25 2010 12:16 piskooooo wrote: Any idea what they were saying about Idra? I kept hearing CJ, Broodwar, etc. It was the second game so I doubt it was just Idra's SC1 history. NEXGenius and Idra were on the same team back in the BW days. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 25 2010 01:26 pyro19 wrote: Where can I Watch the Idra"s VODS? Every link on the Right is either an IMMVP game or a MK game.? Edit - and oh , only 5 links work it seems. The Rest are all Closed now? VODs are labelled "closed" to avoid spoilers. All VODs are here if I'm not mistaken. | ||
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piskooooo
United States351 Posts
On December 25 2010 12:23 ch0c0b0fr34k wrote: NEXGenius and Idra were on the same team back in the BW days. Ah, thanks. | ||
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